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Cigarette Smoking - 7/7/2005 3:34:11 PM   
pleasureforHim


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Status: offline 		i smoke..alot. i love it. i'd pay to smoke in the shower, or while i was sleeping. i think it's sexy, and i love the smell of tobacco. i am well-mannered and do not smoke in the cars or homes of people who are non-smokers. i deeply resent that no smoking section was set aside in shopping malls -- a place i consider my personal arena, my sporting ground. i think the tobacco litigation was unconsitutional and that the courts showed cowardice in refusing to hear motions to that effect. i think states that received the tobacco windfall are almost all in near-bankrupt state now as they used a one-time payment to fund recurring expenses, such as education, and are now almost completely broke. Ohio is resolving its funding problem by raising taxes -- on cigarettes. 70 cents a pack.

First, i am fascinated by the people i meet who a rabid anti-smokers. Where is this Atlantis they all went to college at where there was no smoking, drinking, drugging or sex? i am also amazed that with another Vietnam broiling, child abuse a chronic problem and Human Services so inadequate; etc., they choose to put their energies into controlling the smoking behavior of others. It seems like fiddling while Rome burns.

i have smoked since i was 16, and while i am in generally poor shape because i am lazier than a dead cat, there is nothing wrong with my heart or lungs. i think i may be one of the people no one wants to acknowledge anymore -- the person who smokes until they die of unrelated causes at age 80. and if not -- if i do die at age 60 of smoking related causes -- i appreciate all the concern. now please send some f**king cash because i am having trouble paying for my cigarettes.

i am betting this post will be highly controversial and yanno, i think that's kinda sad. but that, ladies and gents, is my point. i wrote an articulale post on the death penalty and fairly proved that innocent people are executed, and it recieved almost no attention. But i am betting cigarette smoking will bring people out by the dozens.

i find this very odd...and rather sad.


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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/7/2005 4:10:04 PM   
ShiftedJewel


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I'm with you one hundred percent on this one! We live right on the Indiana/Ohio border and have watched and experienced the "non-smoking" crap build in momentum. Did you know that now Kings Island has specific smoking areas? (none, of course, are in the mile long lines you stand in). Luckily we got to go before that happened... we won't be going again.

Does the movie "Demolition Man" ring a bell here? Yep, we'd be among those people living underground....

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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/7/2005 4:42:57 PM   
stormsfate


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Status: offline 		Well if you really want something to complain about, move to NY where cigarettes range from $6.00 to $7.50 a pack depending on where in the state you are purchasing them. Add to that the illegality of smoking indoors. We can't even smoke in bars up here!!!!

At any rate, I would like to quit for both health reasons (because I'm a chicken and DON"T want to suffer from smoking related illness as it is just so preventable) and for financial reasons because its just too darn expensive!



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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/7/2005 4:51:34 PM   
ScooterTrash


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Status: offline 		How true, isn't it a shame that all the goody two shoes can jump on the "no-smoking" bandwagon but won't utilize any energy to help out the homeless or write to their congressman about other rights (that might REALLY affect them) being infringed on. It's almost like it's stylish to be against something, instead of for it (or leave it alone would be a nice thought). I've been smoking since I was 14 years old and I would beg to differ with the folks who say it makes you look old before your time or has adverse affects on your health, or if it does, what's it to you anyway? I'm not saying it's good for you, but gezzz, watch TV for a while and they will change their mind on what's killing us week by week. I'm thinking with all the side affects of the drugs they are pushing on the "tube", that perhaps it's the medical industry that's killing us. Why don't someone go after them. I've buried a hell of a lot of people that were younger than me, so my theory is that as long as I'm doing that, I'm winning. Besides, where do all the "health freaks" get off on deciding what is good (or bad) for us anyway and frankly, who cares. Does someone actually think they are going to live forever, or are they just interested in having a great looking corpse. Unless you are going to live long enough to die of natural causes (which by the way, everything is natural so this term makes no sense), who gives a crap anyway. All this anti-smoking sentement is doing is pissing off normally polite people. I laugh my ass off at the radio spots trying to say that second hand smoke is killing everyone around (they measure it in seconds even)..I think if they are right, the second hander is going to drop dead before the one smoking will, perhaps then we can have some peace...lol.

As for the excess taxes on tobacco, as in the Ohio example, I think it's high time they picked on something else to fund their frivolous spending habits. What did they do with all that lottery money anyway?

As for my most favorite pet peave..the non-smoker that when confronted with a busy restaurant that says..."first available will be fine". That's when I would love to have a single tail and some working room.

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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/7/2005 5:07:27 PM   
sub4hire


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Status: offline 		I don't smoke, never have, never will. I treat my body like a temple until it comes to some sort of sport. Then I can really tear it up.

The smell of smoke gives me a sore throat...so I assume I am allergic on some level.

At the same time I've protested for smoker's before because I feel everyone should be allowed to do whatever it is they wish to do.
It is your perogative how you treat your body. I'll stand up for your rights.


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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/7/2005 5:49:00 PM   
stormsfate


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Status: offline 		I do see the other side of the fence. The smell of it is really disgusting. I hate the way my/other's clothes smell, etc. Its a nasty habit and there really are no redeeming qualities to cigarettes. We can debate the ill effects smoking causes or say its not true, but I think we all know that smoking causes health problems....as does second hand smoke. As a smoker, I'm very concious of all of these things. I don't smoke around those who don't....I don't smoke in the house or around the unmentionables and I don't infringe on others by forcing them to be exposed to my nasty habit.

I think its a rare person who smokes and truly does not wish they could quit permanently.


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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/7/2005 5:58:17 PM   
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I think its a rare person who smokes and truly does not wish they could quit permanently.


Well, meet me, fate, you lovely woman. i never intend to quit; i LOVE smoking. As i have said, i love the smell; the effects of nicotine; the fussing about with the cigarette; the sexy way women look with a cigarette (and anyone who wants to post about "kissing an ashtray" should bear in mind i am 51 years old and no man has declined to kiss me when given the chance). i could go on and on; i could write an opus about the wonders of smoking.

But my real point was, why do people use their energy on a non-issue like smoking while children are abused; a war is disintegrating and a draft looms large; and we have no universal health care? i remember poiticking as a young woman; for causes i deeply believed in and still do; and i will volunteer again asap for causes i believe in now, such as Fair Housing. But smoking? No. It would be like volunteering in a campaign against wearing white shoes after Labor Day.

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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/7/2005 6:50:14 PM   
perverseangelic


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Status: offline 		I have mixed feelings on no-smoking legislation.

At first, I thought that it was stupid to say there was no smoking in bars/resteruants (as it is in Cali.) I figured they should let the market dictate. I think that works great if you're only thinking of patrons. However, workers often have little choice in where they are working. No, I don't mean they're stuck there, but in some places (like where I live) it is -hard- to find a job, especially for people w/out a college degree, or who are working on one.

While I'm fine with patrons being able to choose to frequent smoking/nonsmoking establisments, I'm not ok with someone being unable to find a job someplace other than a smoking establishment.

So, no resolution in my opinons, but somethign else to think about

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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/7/2005 6:57:26 PM   
stormsfate


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Status: offline 		pfH, while you may indeed feel that way about smoking, I still think a smoker who has no desire at all to quit (whether it be for health, financial or other reasons), is rare.

I also don't feel it is a non-issue. Cigarettes are a leading cause of health problems in this country. Do you consider AIDS a non-issue? I don't. I see the two as similar in some ways. With precautions, one can lessen their chances of both and educating people about the dangers of both is something I believe is important. When I started smoking as a young teenager, being from the esteemed state of Kentucky back when cigarettes were 30 cents a pack, I didn't know any better. I didn't know about the potential health issues that could be caused by smoking...I didn't know that recidivism is higher with smoking than it is with heroin. At least now I *know* and make an informed choice. Whatever choice someone ultimately makes...they should at least be educated, which is why I applaud those who volunteer for such activities.


Comparing the effects of smoking to the wearing of white shoes after labor day is like comparing apples to oranges.


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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/7/2005 7:11:07 PM   
ShiftedJewel


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pfH, while you may indeed feel that way about smoking, I still think a smoker who has no desire at all to quit (whether it be for health, financial or other reasons), is rare.


Meet another one stormsfate, I started smoking as a young teen and have absolutely no desire to quit. I've known people that quit because of all the possible heath risks only to start up again because they simply like to smoke. I don't use drugs, prescribed or otherwise, the amount I drink in a year wouldn't get a college freshman buzzed, I work out as often as I can and am very active.

But I have to agree with pfH here, there are just toooooooo many other issues that the government really needs to work on before they start taking away personal freedoms. You want to discuss health issues... the lets discuss nationwide, affordable medical care. Affordable education... what exactly are all those states doing with all that lottery money?

As I said before, does the movie "Demolition Man" sound at all familiar?

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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/7/2005 7:14:12 PM   
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the lets discuss nationwide, affordable medical care. Affordable education... what exactly are all those states doing with all that lottery money?



<giggling> Using it to inform people of the hazards of smoking????



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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/7/2005 7:17:15 PM   
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<giggling> Using it to inform people of the hazards of smoking????


LMAO... you're probably right!

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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/7/2005 8:36:18 PM   
SweetDommes


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Status: offline 		Honestly, I have mixed feelings about no-smoking legislation ...

I am sick and tired of not being able to go out ANYWHERE on the weekends without getting sick from the smoke - but at the same time, I don't think that everywhere should be forced to be smoke free. I want to be able to go out, go to bars, go bowling, play pool, whatever ... but I can't ... ever. I'm that damn allergic to it and I'm not the only one. But I don't want everywhere to be smoke free - just a few places. I do know of one bowling alley/pool hall in Indy that has one night a week that is smoke free ... but the smell is still there, and that is enough to trigger a coughing fit that will land me in the ER, so it's not much help.

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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/7/2005 8:46:50 PM   
lonewolf05


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Status: offline 		oh holy jeeeeeeeeeeeez.

where should i start?

i am one smoker i never plan on quitting. by the gods......when i lay on death bed....i am going to be able to say i did life MY damn way.
i don't buckle under to idiots that can't clean off their own back door.
quit smoking but open more bars so drunks can kill someone.
quit smoking but open more casinos so grandma can spend her social security.
quit smoking but my neighbor makes and sells crack and the cops won;t come into the hood.

yeah right!

this so-called civilized world is too prone on taking things away from everyone...!!!!!!!!!
i started at 10,........and i am 51. and i'll quit when you pry it out of my mouth after my last breath!

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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/7/2005 8:50:09 PM   
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there are just toooooooo many other issues that the government really needs to work on before they start taking away personal freedoms.


Amen!!!!

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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/7/2005 9:33:07 PM   
FuriousAngel


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Status: offline 		I never thought I'd be stating this considering I'm a smoker but ... errrr .... I'm gonna go against the grain here.

I smoke. I hate it. I hate everything about it. I find it embarrassing to admit that I do, particularly in front of non-smokers. It disgusts me that every day I walk into a store and pay over $9.00 for a product that is tearing apart my lungs. Hell! I even get infuriated every time the tobacco companies do something 'new' to make the packaging look more attractive to me. I love the new anti smoking laws that have been brought into place. I don't mind leaving a bar for a cigarette cuz quite frankly, cigarette smoke reeks and it's so much more enjoyable to go out now, not to mention, I don't feel so nasty as I can't chain smoke.

Oh and to answer the question of why I still smoke despite my strong resentment of it?

Cuz I'm too busy blowing smoke rings and spending endless days thinking about how awesome it will be when I finally quit smoking 'next week'. *Rolls eyes*






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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/7/2005 10:27:21 PM   
knees2you


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4 double by pass surgeries in on year
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It took me awhile but I learned~

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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/7/2005 11:55:03 PM   
MadameDahlia


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Status: offline 		I try to look at this from all aspects and do my very best to leave personal bias out of the equation. Unfortunately humans are biased. Science can tell a person one thing. Their bias can tell them something quite different. You can tell a person that two and two is four. But if they hate your guts and don't mind letting others know that you get under their skin they'll give you any other number.

I'm a non-smoker. I forced my parents to become non-smokers. I hated the idea of them lighting up one more nail in their coffin. I suppose I've got issues about being left alone in this world. Or perhaps I was simply shaken up after my grandfather died of cigarette and alcohol related causes. Perhaps I'd watched one too many commercials about the effects of smoking. I don't know. But I became a royal pain in the ass... breaking cigarettes, flushing them down the toilet... tossing packs into the garbage can by emptying them first. I made an expensive habit even more expensive. Mom quit because she knew I was stubborn. She knew I'd continue to harp on her. She knew I'd be a constant, nagging voice.

Dad stopped because he felt guilty. I entered the garage without noticing a cigarette still burning in an ashtray. It had been burning for a while. But the garage always smelled of cigarette smoke. I didn't think about it too much. I continued to search for something to make for lunch that day. I continued until my vision swam and I fell over. I woke up hours later with one hell of a headache and a very sore throat. I asked him to make sure he put all of his cigarettes out when in the garage. He required an explanation. I gave it to him. He looked as though I'd thrown my fist through his chest. And then he looked sick as he found out that I was all sorts of allergic to the smoke.

I'm trying to get my best friend to quit. I love her. I don't want her to smoke herself into a hospital. She's joined the gym I work at. I'm hoping that since she's signed up for a year she won't waste all the money she's plopped down. I'm hoping that she realizes going home winded after visiting the gym just sucks all to pieces. And I'm hoping that as a result she'll quit.

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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/8/2005 12:13:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		My attitude is similar to FuriousAngel's. I smoke, but I don't like it. And I wish that I didn't. I am not quite as rabid in My disgust for the whole process, however.
I am working on quitting right now. I am prepared for the fact that I might fail, but I am hopeful that I will succeed. I take adavantage of any situation which would disallow smoking. Like FuriousAngel, if I am compelled not to light up, I won't. Then I smoke a lot less. But after a couple of hours I am frantically looking for a place where I can get a few drags. So I probably hate the idea that something as expensive as a cigarette has that much control over Me.
When I did quit (Oh, yes, for several years!) I was not one of those reformed smokers who rode everybody and told them they were all killing themselves. I had no problem being with My friends who smoked and no problem going out to the karaoke bar. It didn't phase Me one way or the other.
I have to admit, if there is one thing I cannot stand, it is an ex-smoker who is on a crusade. I have enough problems with the people who never smoked! And I absolutely hate people who can smoke socially, and then go home and never feel any need to light up for days or weeks at a time. I know you are out there...I even know who some of you are. <sticks tongue out at those...those....those....people!> It is soooooooo not fair! *W*

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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/8/2005 12:20:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't exactly agree with this, nor do I agree with pfH's position. Regulating where people may smoke cigarettes doesn't have to preclude dealing with other political problems. Second-hand smoke is deadly; there's really no scientific doubt about that anymore. Why should anyone (including smokers) be unreasonably subjected to a deadly substance that someone ELSE is releasing into the air--and not taking any responsibility for it? If you want to smoke where it's not going to bother anyone else, fine, that's your decision. But I don't think you have a right to smoke in a public building. If someone sprayed a noxious aerosol in a public building, we'd call that terrorism. Smoking has essentially the same effects.

Lam

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But I have to agree with pfH here, there are just toooooooo many other issues that the government really needs to work on before they start taking away personal freedoms. You want to discuss health issues... the lets discuss nationwide, affordable medical care. Affordable education... what exactly are all those states doing with all that lottery money?


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