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RE: Conspiracy theories - 8/25/2007 1:45:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		After the July the seventh attacks in London news sources said the explosions were caused by power fluctuations in national grid substations nearby. That’s the kind of lies they tell; stupid ones that you can see through in an instant. They lie if the alternative is public chaos caused by fear. The best lie is a simple lie.   

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RE: Conspiracy theories - 8/25/2007 1:45:58 PM   
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RE: Conspiracy theories - 8/25/2007 1:50:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		The point i am getting at is that without the outer walls the core could stand alone, but not vice versa.

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RE: Conspiracy theories - 8/25/2007 1:52:04 PM   
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After the July the seventh attacks in London news sources said the explosions were caused by power fluctuations in national grid substations nearby. That’s the kind of lies they tell; stupid ones that you can see through in an instant. They lie if the alternative is public chaos caused by fear. The best lie is a simple lie.   


Yes and I htink the most gut busting hilarious (sad) one is when both the BBC and CNN announced the collapse of building number 7 - 15 minutes before it happend.

I about died!  No I was insensed frankly because you can see it standing in the back ground on the screen while they are announcing it and the disturbed look on their face when someone must have told them it was not down yet then they quick took it to commercial.  its all out here on the video sites.




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RE: Conspiracy theories - 8/25/2007 1:54:47 PM   
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You want it to be the government's fault, because the government is something you can change?  Toss out this corrupt government, and then the world is suddenly perfect?


Almost.......Toss out this corrupt Government then you have a new corrupt Government.

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RE: Conspiracy theories - 8/25/2007 1:56:58 PM   
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The point i am getting at is that without the outer walls the core could stand alone, but not vice versa.



Polite, think of the outer exoskeleton as one of those dog kennel structures without a bottom or top.   With no wind sheer it would stand, but it without the core it would not take much wind to blow it over.


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RE: Conspiracy theories - 8/25/2007 2:02:56 PM   
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You want it to be the government's fault, because the government is something you can change?  Toss out this corrupt government, and then the world is suddenly perfect?


Almost.......Toss out this corrupt Government then you have a new corrupt Government.


that is precisely why i made the case for to amend the constitution to create a 4th legislative body. that required one person from every "county" or based on population whichever, work the finer points out later, that have veto power on anything that any branch does. Well that and to insure the things the other braches do are constitutional.

Thats over simplified and there would need to be many procedual rules but it would take the voice of the people direct to the centers of government and make it difficult to the extreme to infiltrate and corrupt.

Of course like in other countries especially this one where 25% are totally illiterate and 50% are bartely literate enough to hold a job, with the ability to shape peoples minds with the media we can still wind up in the same boat I suppose unless we educate everyone to understand these tactics and so they can make informed decisions

Remember the constitution affords the people the final say, not the supreme court how we want our laws to be in this country, granted the supreme court took on that responsibility and congress and the people acquiesed.  In the end through our representatives is the road to change but we now have representaives who do not listen to the people any more.

With 25 - 50% illiterate is that surprising?

Therefore we have a broken and discontinuous system that no longer has its checks and balances in place,.




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RE: Conspiracy theories - 8/25/2007 2:04:13 PM   
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The point i am getting at is that without the outer walls the core could stand alone, but not vice versa.



Polite, think of the outer exoskeleton as one of those dog kennel structures without a bottom or top.   With no wind sheer it would stand, but it without the core it would not take much wind to blow it over.



Agreed but with the floorspace attached it would collapse.

Any chance of a link for the block 7 story ? 

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RE: Conspiracy theories - 8/25/2007 2:05:22 PM   
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The point i am getting at is that without the outer walls the core could stand alone, but not vice versa.



Yes that’s correct the cores are usually built first and we’ve all seen slipform in operation. This is normal everyday static forces and the force magnitude can be easily established and designed for.  These loadings are rather different from the forces caused by a set of floors falling onto another; a huge increase in axial load down the core in one location rather than spread out evenly and most likely some bending moments due to the loading occurring eccentrically.

Who could have predicted this kind of thing when the towers were designed? You can even show me computer analysis of the failure mechanism if you like. I would still tell you the computer programme is based upon the limited knowledge of the programmer. This is plastic analysis on a grand scale and I challenge you to find anyone on this planet that can organise the chaotic forces that occurred after the initial failure and tell me for sure the forces couldn’t have ripped those cores about in all directions. Winkadywink.

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RE: Conspiracy theories - 8/25/2007 2:09:29 PM   
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You want it to be the government's fault, because the government is something you can change?  Toss out this corrupt government, and then the world is suddenly perfect?


Almost.......Toss out this corrupt Government then you have a new corrupt Government.


So anarchy's the nirvanna of the conspiracy theorist?

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RE: Conspiracy theories - 8/25/2007 2:11:12 PM   
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Winks right back atcha.

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RE: Conspiracy theories - 8/25/2007 2:11:47 PM   
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After the July the seventh attacks in London news sources said the explosions were caused by power fluctuations in national grid substations nearby. That’s the kind of lies they tell; stupid ones that you can see through in an instant. They lie if the alternative is public chaos caused by fear. The best lie is a simple lie.   


Yes and I htink the most gut busting hilarious (sad) one is when both the BBC and CNN announced the collapse of building number 7 - 15 minutes before it happend.

I about died!  No I was insensed frankly because you can see it standing in the back ground on the screen while they are announcing it and the disturbed look on their face when someone must have told them it was not down yet then they quick took it to commercial.  its all out here on the video sites.



You know how the modern 24 hours news cycle works. The BBC has limited knowledge of the numbering of buildings and their locations. They report something they hear through Chinese whispers; maybe that they’ve been told a building is at risk of collapse. This is turned into the building has collapsed and then CNN jump on the news item and make it news before it occurred.

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RE: Conspiracy theories - 8/25/2007 2:15:50 PM   
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The point i am getting at is that without the outer walls the core could stand alone, but not vice versa.



Polite, think of the outer exoskeleton as one of those dog kennel structures without a bottom or top.   With no wind sheer it would stand, but it without the core it would not take much wind to blow it over.



Agreed but with the floorspace attached it would collapse.

Any chance of a link for the block 7 story ? 

you mean the videos of them anouncing before it fell??


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RE: Conspiracy theories - 8/25/2007 2:19:37 PM   
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Play nice while i`m gone.

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RE: Conspiracy theories - 8/25/2007 2:20:45 PM   
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RE: Conspiracy theories - 8/25/2007 2:24:22 PM   
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RE: Conspiracy theories - 8/25/2007 2:25:35 PM   
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After the July the seventh attacks in London news sources said the explosions were caused by power fluctuations in national grid substations nearby. That’s the kind of lies they tell; stupid ones that you can see through in an instant. They lie if the alternative is public chaos caused by fear. The best lie is a simple lie.   


Yes and I htink the most gut busting hilarious (sad) one is when both the BBC and CNN announced the collapse of building number 7 - 15 minutes before it happend.

I about died!  No I was insensed frankly because you can see it standing in the back ground on the screen while they are announcing it and the disturbed look on their face when someone must have told them it was not down yet then they quick took it to commercial.  its all out here on the video sites.



You know how the modern 24 hours news cycle works. The BBC has limited knowledge of the numbering of buildings and their locations. They report something they hear through Chinese whispers; maybe that they’ve been told a building is at risk of collapse. This is turned into the building has collapsed and then CNN jump on the news item and make it news before it occurred.


add to that you have bush incriminating himself not once but twice!  Within hours of the first plane crash he said he seen it on the tv "before" he went into the classroom.  Not once but on 2 different occasions, if i remember right about a month apart.  There was no video footage availiable till the next day!!!

mckinney said fema was there the night before ready to go into action the following day.

silverstien said he and the fire dept discussed dropping building seven then watched it fall.

there are others that self incriminate as well and it is thought that this is a joining of groups mafia style.

If you want to join the mafia you have to blow someone away with witnesses so you both have something on each other thus a reason to keep your mouth shut and of course this creates a trust bond between those joining and the group.

Speculation of course but nothing to just toss off the table as garbage either far as i am concerned


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RE: Conspiracy theories - 8/25/2007 2:25:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		My personal favourite conspiracy theory is the one where it wasn’t the Titanic that sunk but the Britannic and it was an insurance job. A ship by another name, who cares the result was the same. They even showed me on TV how the windows were square and not round. Maybe in the past you could get away with such elaborate conspiracies but not in this day and age. Where every reporter is looking to make a name for themselves and they have video footage that will last forever to use.

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RE: Conspiracy theories - 8/25/2007 2:32:09 PM   
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add to that you have bush incriminating himself not once but twice!  Within hours of the first plane crash he said he seen it on the tv "before" he went into the classroom.  Not once but on 2 different occasions, if i remember right about a month apart.  There was no video footage availiable till the next day!!!



Sadly I’ve seen George Bush walk up to a podium and forget an entire speech and then walk back again. He isn’t someone with the best of memories and most of the time people are telling him what to say. So what do you expect?

I’m not familiar with your other counter points sorry so I can’t comment on those.

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RE: Conspiracy theories - 8/25/2007 2:47:19 PM   
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Yes please Real...... im not doubting what you say but i am curious to see it for myself.



give me a couple seconds to defrag, every time i have a post set to send and they move it for some reason it blasts my temp files so i have to do a quick defrag, .


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