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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/25/2007 8:42:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

I'm thinkin some of the crazies here have taken over some people's minds. Renting out a slave can mean any number of things. What's negotiated between Owner and User is simply between them. If sex is involved so be it. To condemn someone because of that is a load of shit. Mainly because it isn't anyone else's business.

Mostly what I see when slaves are loaned or rented out, I see chores. Lots of cleaning and lastly play. And I mean non-sex play. I've done chores for other's in Her Name. Because that's what I'm told to do. I've played with others for Her enjoyment. She likes a good show. I've been assigned hardcore house painting to do for Her friends and such. This is loaning my body and services out. How do I feel about it? I get greeted with a smile and food and a chance to kneel at Her feet and breathe and for that I am greatful.

From Her perspective, She's proud of me and my abilities and services. She's essentially showing off what's Her's. And knowing that other people desire that is a thrill for Her. Finding use for that in Her life is a good thing.

As for the crazy fuckers on the board freakin out over shit...well whatever.


I was threading this thread before going to the store to buy a pack of smokes, I could not wait to get back and start a similar rant.  Seems like you and DomiGuy Beat me to the punch. 

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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/25/2007 8:49:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hire a sub/slave?  I know I'm new here, but I can't wrap my mind around that one.  My sub is mine.  You can't "hire" mutual caring and respect.

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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/25/2007 8:53:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		service is not about mutual love caring or respect...it's about DOING something for someone else

it seems to me far too many people are wrapping up service with that whole romance thing on this thread

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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/25/2007 9:00:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		True, if she had specified what she was being "hired" for it would explain a lot of things.  I think we are all interpreting things differently.

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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/25/2007 9:01:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Laying low, tired as shit...In a rather chatty mood. Whip what is your brand....That was nice what you wrote the other day....Boijen...You make great posts...and you are a cutey.

Sorry for the momentary hijack.

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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/25/2007 9:05:40 PM   
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Original: nottalking
After a lot of reading of not only here, but on bondage.com and several other sites (spent the afternoon) there are many things I don't understand.

Its good that you are making the effort to understand someone, but one afternoon of reading isn't going to begin to make a dent in the comprehension of a lot of what goes on in life, period, let alone in the world of BDSM. A lot of us here don't understand why other's here do the things they do, but the fact is that they DO them, and frankly it just doesn't matter whether any of the rest of the world understands it or not.


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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/25/2007 9:09:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Never would I hire out, or share for that matter, one so dear to me as my slave!

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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/25/2007 9:09:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		NoTalking was a cool chick I spoke to her about what she was looking at...she just wanted a perspective and this caught her eye...

Domiguy I'm chatty too...and thanks lol

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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/25/2007 9:15:14 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BoiJen

service is not about mutual love caring or respect...it's about DOING something for someone else

it seems to me far too many people are wrapping up service with that whole romance thing on this thread


Greetings BoiJen,
i agree 100% with this~

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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/25/2007 9:26:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		So for the rest of the Collarme Forum insomniacs out there...I opened up a chat room called forum chat...lets go talk about BDSM and shit

PS never mind it's showing up as "forum"


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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/25/2007 9:29:05 PM   
WhiplashSmile


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Status: offline 		Damn gang, don't tell me I'm gonna have to be forced to choose between a Moral Right and Left Wing inside of the BDSM community now. 

While there are thing I will or will not do, I still have to find acceptence for what other people do or not do.   As DomiGuy said, even if there were to be sexual.

Anyways, here's my input, thoughts and personal experinces for the OP and others to read.

To answer the first question, no I have never hired out a slave yet.  Have I thought about this in Fantasy!  Hell Ya, you betcha I have.  However, there's a difference between having fantasy and the reality of what one does.  You know all the fun issues everybody is struggling with right now, STD's, Mental Health Issues, the whole nine yards of cause and effects for our own actions in life.  Now, I'm like a lot of people my mind is simply rolling around in the Gutter with SEX.  Overlooking all the other services and uses a slave can offer.  I tell you, If I had a lot of shit that needed to be done around my house, and I could rent out a slave to help me get through it all.  I'd do it 2.5 seconds flat without any questions asked.   Hell, I'd rent a slave out right now and have her draw on my body with a pen, and give me a nice body massage right this very minute!  I would not regret one minute of it either. However, renting out a slave for sexual or BDSM sadomaso play use.  This is questionable and would involve so many variables.   There's an old proverbial Phase in life that goes like this "NEVER SAY NEVER", cause you might find under the right circumstances you might not be saying NEVER.  

To Answer the Second Question!  Would I consider Hiring out a sub/slave, if I have not already?  Well, I have yet to date to hire out a sub/slave like this.  Now, if I know somebody that I trust and respect, and they need somebody to help them clean house after a major remodel project.   I might think, you know, I could offer my sub/slaves services for hire.  No big moral issues.  OH, but yes, my mind also operates in the gutter...  OK sexual use.  OK, Now I'm having a bit of an internal struggle going on.  While I might find this fantasy Hot as Hell and I might even Mindlessly Jack off while thinking about it, or even reading porn involving it.  When it comes down to it, I myself have issues and mental limits.  

Personally, If I had a Full TPE slave with no or very little limits, well I'd be the one having to deal with my own limits!  I am amuzed by the number of Dom/Masters that have a lot of limits themselves but are looking for Sub/Slave with very little limits.  Would be interesting to see profiles stating "No Limits Master", "Low Limits Master".   There are a number of Domly Masters that seem to not get it, that if they have a lot of limits themselves... a No limit or Low limit slave girl, will take this into consider and continue shopping for a Bigger Better Deal.  But what do I know, I'm just another pervy wanker making posts on a kinky BDSM website.  Yes, I Love reading great wanking material too even...  I have no shame admitting to this one!

Basically, if I don't feel comfortable doing something, I'm not going to do it.  However, as the saying goes "Never say Never".  I've done a lot of BDSM things that I thought I'd never do.  Right now, in this moment in time.. it's not happening.

If I ever find myself in situation with the right circumstances and variables, well, I'll deal with it or experience it and live it, IF the time ever comes.  If this never happens, no big deal.  I don't have a crystal ball in front of me.   I'm just playing around with a One Big what if...

I'm well aware of the impact this can have on a D/s relationship.  The potential impact it can have on the sub/slave, as well as impact upon myself.  The health issues, and the safety issues involved.  I also aware of my own social moral conditioning.  Life is full of dynamic changes and steady constants.  At times the steady constants are prone to change, or even there are even Exceptions to one's own Norm.  Where people do things that generally is a little out of their normal character. 

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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/25/2007 9:37:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Nottalking

I was invited to read the post on here, to better understand this side of a person that I wanted to know.


My compliments on being open-minded enough to make that effort; a lot of people don't.

quote:


After a lot of reading of not only here, but on bondage.com and several other sites (spent the afternoon) there are many things I don't understand.


If it's any consolation, a lot of us have things we don't (fully) understand ourselves.

quote:


One of them is why a person would subject themselves to pain to please someone.


Giving birth, having intercourse for the first time, etc. are all painful things that are done to please either oneself, one's partner, or both. Some people register pain differently. Some build up an ecstatic rush like a hard workout if you start slowly (lots of people who don't like pain still find picking at a scab to be a mixed sensation). Some just do it because they want to please their partner enough to "grin and bear it". Some like that vulnerable intimacy that follows. Many have more than one reason, and I haven't listed them all.

quote:


Now I wonder why a person would agree to "rent" themselves out as well.


That's a bit more complicated.

From what you've said, you're still trying to sort out what you've absorbed already, and this is an "advanced" (in the sense of not well suited to beginners, not in the sense of "improved" or (necessarily) "complicated") practice that people who are already into all of this- and have been for many years- have divided opinions on. It may be best to leave this topic for when you have "figured out" the rest, or it will be a bit like trying to build a radio while understanding the basics about lightbulbs and batteries.

Best wishes in your effort to understand your friend.

Health,
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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/25/2007 9:38:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy

Laying low, tired as shit...In a rather chatty mood. Whip what is your brand....That was nice what you wrote the other day....Boijen...You make great posts...and you are a cutey.

Sorry for the momentary hijack.


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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/25/2007 9:46:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Nottalking

Ok I'm a "vanilla" as this group calls my sexual preference. I was invited to read the post on here, to better understand this side of a person that I wanted to know. After a lot of reading of not only here, but on bondage.com and several other sites (spent the afternoon) there are many things I don't understand. One of them is why a person would subject themselves to pain to please someone. Now I wonder why a person would agree to "rent" themselves out as well.

Holy Handgrenades.  If you've been all over these sites and you still don't get it, perhaps it wasn't meant to be and it's not something for you.  Consensual sadism and masochism, freedom in bondage and happy kinky sex isn't for everyone.   It's ok, don't lose sleep over it!  Leave us be with our batteries and jumper cables!
*edit for spelling fix*

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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/25/2007 9:47:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dear missturbation, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
As a Dominant-- I would never consider hiring my slave/submissive out to others period.  I would be very concerned as to what would happen and what doors I would open to possible abuse if that was the intention of those who were to hire my slave/submissive, especially if in a M/s, D/s,BDSM and/or S&M capacity.  If there is any sexual overtones--no way would I even entertain the thought.  For me, I have a slave--not some cheap hooker to pimp out.   I would worry an awful lot about my slaves/submissives.
 
That said, there are times there are 'fund raisers' within the scene, such as slave auctions, jail and such.  However, these are one day/night incidents.  There are limits/boundaries and usually a lot of fun for all involved.  Buying a slave/submissive in one of these 'slave auctions' could be a hiring of sorts.  Yet, when the time is over people go back to their partners who are usually watching and or monitoring...even some ploting [chuckles] however, the spirit of the entire matter is raising funds for some cause.  Only such incidents would I ever consider hiring my slave/submissive out.
 
Just some thoughts.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs
 
 

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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/25/2007 10:01:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dear BoiJen, Ladies and Gentlemen,
 
You brought up very good points.  One of which was if you were a professional such as a painter, electrician, etc., there would be an opportunity to be 'hired' out for such services.  However, I consider when using the term 'hired' it is an employment where there is a contract of sorts, as to compensate for services rendered.  Even if it is barter, a trade--there is an exchange.
 
For me, I would prefer giving jobs to those in the community over a stranger.  One reason, I wouldn't have to put away the tools of the trade per se. Plus, those in the lifestyle could always use more spending money to use on gaining more goodies.
 
Now, as a Dominant directing a slave to do something for another person because it needed to be done, I would have to use the word loaning services or borrowing someone, for example when having parties and it is more than my slaves can handle, it is a true help to have able hands to create a wonderful party and extra help is always appreciated.  Again, to restate the purpose for loaning someone out is not for financial gain or sexual favors, performance and such.  It is helping others and having boundaries known, agreed to and kept.  Expectations are very important to know ahead of time and met at the end.
 
Just some thoughts.
 
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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/25/2007 10:22:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Nottalking

Ok I'm a "vanilla" as this group calls my sexual preference. I was invited to read the post on here, to better understand this side of a person that I wanted to know. After a lot of reading of not only here, but on bondage.com and several other sites (spent the afternoon) there are many things I don't understand. One of them is why a person would subject themselves to pain to please someone. Now I wonder why a person would agree to "rent" themselves out as well.


My post is inspired by that of Nottalking but it does not address her or him.

I'm pleased that this contribution was dropped into this thread (most of it would have fit as well in any number of other threads.)

Nottalking seems to be a person with little or no experience with or exposure to BDSM who--accordingly--has little understand. Unsuprising and unobjectionable, in my view.

What I do find objectionable are comments seemingly loaded with some sort of moral indignation: "Why would ANYone EVER do something like that (i.e something the writer happens not to prefer) with someone they value?"

How often is this question put in reference to bondage, sadomasochism, power exchange of this sort or that, by people with no experience or exposure to BDSM?

Most of us have some experience with bondage and/or S/M and or power-exchange, etc. We can generaously make allowances for the lack of understanding and empathy on the part of clueless vanillas, if we choose to, and I usually try to.

But look, the things most of *us* are experienced with are things which most non BDMSers would probably describe as somewhere between inappropriate and beyond abhorrent as ways to interact with one whom you value.

The clueless vanilla who abhors the activities which you and your partner(s) share has a good excuse for his or her ignorance and narrowness. And one of them who admits this ignorance (in the strict sense of lack of knowledge) and comes here to see whether this might be worth learning about, well I count that person laudable.

On the other hand, if you, for instance, enjoy binding or administering pain to or dominating someone you value, I suggest that you suffering from a failure of both imagination and human empathy if you can't find some less negative response than "abhorrence" for an activity which two or more responsible adults engage in consensually and personally find meaning and fulfillment it.

Even if that happens to be hiring out.

As other have mentioned, hiring out needn't involve money and it needn't involve sex. All sorts of hiring goes on in the world in terms of barter or trade-in-kind, among other possibilities. SOme of those possibilities include what we might call pro-bono work (Ron, please insert quip about the pro and the bone here).

Those who centered their responses on jumping to conclusions about sex and money are failing to consider a tremendously broad range of options. That said, hiring out might indeed involve money or sex or both. If it does it might be nothing more than straight-up prostitution or it might be far more, and far more meanigful to the people involved than mere prostitution--just a whack on the ass between you and your "one" may mean a whole lot more to each of you than the mere physics and biology of a hand meeting a heinie at speed.

I'm grateful to all who have shared their views in this thread but most especially to those including Padraig and that pixie-ish looking girl who demonstrated the ability to walk a little way in another person's shoes before dolloping out the moral indignation.


To put a finer point on it I'd like to offer a rhetorical questions about how it is that to beat, slice and burn one's partner might either be heinous or be an lovely expression of care,depending on the context, whereas to "hire her (or him) out" is necessarily a hateful thing?

Maybe your kink is wax play and your neighbor's is hiring out.

Do we hafta be hating on other people's fully consensual kinks?

I mean there are potential kinks that I'm very happy to hate on. I'm all in favor of being judgemental. I just think we we should use some judgement about just what we're gonna be judgemental about.

Activities I'm likely to condemn don't tend to be between healthy consenting adults, and missturbation has never struck me as less healthy than the norm around here.

Your thoughts?







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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/25/2007 10:56:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Noah, well said.

There are plenty of things that I might draw the line on....That doesn't mean that I am completely against learning or heaing more about different practices, likes and fetishes...The op has always struck me as one of the more sane folks out here....I would be interested in finding more about what her service might entail.

I can't understand the condemnation....For the majority of us we might be considered a tad bit more sexually charged and open than many others....The talk of std's and other crap was simply ridiculous.....

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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/25/2007 11:18:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Spot on, Noah.

As to risks, I would add that I'm rather surprised that people would assume that someone who engages in this would not have adequately addressed the safety concerns. It's been the first thing on my mind whenever nephandi has been with someone else, regardless of the context. It is disrespectful or arrogant to assume otherwise. Disrespectful if one would assume the Dom isn't proceeding responsibly. Arrogant if one would impose one's own standards of responsibility on others.

It's not the least bit hard to pick an acceptable level of risk, and stay within that.

Or perhaps I should start putting foam padding on my paddles...


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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/25/2007 11:32:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aswad

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nottalking

I was invited to read the post on here, to better understand this side of a person that I wanted to know.


My compliments on being open-minded enough to make that effort; a lot of people don't.

quote:


After a lot of reading of not only here, but on bondage.com and several other sites (spent the afternoon) there are many things I don't understand.


If it's any consolation, a lot of us have things we don't (fully) understand ourselves.

quote:


One of them is why a person would subject themselves to pain to please someone.


Giving birth, having intercourse for the first time, etc. are all painful things that are done to please either oneself, one's partner, or both. Some people register pain differently. Some build up an ecstatic rush like a hard workout if you start slowly (lots of people who don't like pain still find picking at a scab to be a mixed sensation). Some just do it because they want to please their partner enough to "grin and bear it". Some like that vulnerable intimacy that follows. Many have more than one reason, and I haven't listed them all.

quote:


Now I wonder why a person would agree to "rent" themselves out as well.


That's a bit more complicated.

From what you've said, you're still trying to sort out what you've absorbed already, and this is an "advanced" (in the sense of not well suited to beginners, not in the sense of "improved" or (necessarily) "complicated") practice that people who are already into all of this- and have been for many years- have divided opinions on. It may be best to leave this topic for when you have "figured out" the rest, or it will be a bit like trying to build a radio while understanding the basics about lightbulbs and batteries.

Best wishes in your effort to understand your friend.

Health,
al-Aswad.



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