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RE: the tea cup - 8/27/2007 8:12:33 PM   
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Yeah and some people think those "Love is..." comics are just the most precious things ever, while some think they are cheesy and trite, while others think "that's not even close to how I define love."

I'm not saying you shouldn't find the story beautiful.  I'm just saying I dislike it.  What's next, are we going to mud wrestle over Beethoven vs. Mozart?

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RE: the tea cup - 8/27/2007 8:16:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: xoxi: What's next, are we going to mud wrestle over Beethoven vs. Mozart?
Umm... I'll make the popcorn!

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RE: the tea cup - 8/27/2007 8:20:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: xoxi

I'm not saying you shouldn't find the story beautiful.  I'm just saying I dislike it.  What's next, are we going to mud wrestle over Beethoven vs. Mozart?



No, because the superior one is clearly Bach.

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RE: the tea cup - 8/27/2007 8:37:54 PM   
xoxi


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Aw snap AquaticSub, them's fightin' words!

Let me know when the popcorn's done, I'll be changing into my super-aerodynamic-latex-catsuit

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RE: the tea cup - 8/27/2007 8:42:05 PM   
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Beautiful little story................

To those that think they are fully moulded.................

Life has a way of..................


The point, to me, is not that I am a fully molded. I know for a fact that I still have growing and learning to do. But I'm not interested in anyone who only sees me as a lump of clay to mold into something beautiful instead of something beautiful already.

I don't need someone else to "finish" me. I am only interested in those who love me for who I am and want to be there so that we can grow together.

Didn't mean to offend enyone,appologies,point taken,the difference between us is,i see myself purely as property,a relationship of service,not love.To be dunn with as owner see fit,anything else to me would be a bonus.To me (being moulded) is just part of the journey.

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RE: the tea cup - 8/28/2007 6:47:36 AM   
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Popcorn's been done for a time. I'm now waiting on the Mahler/Wagner bout with the W.Carlos/W.Carlos TransAmerica match to wrap up the evening...

All this time though, I've been trying to see the OP from "the lighter side"... but I still say that sometimes the cup is better off being porcelain dust.

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RE: the tea cup - 8/28/2007 6:53:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: xoxi

I'm not saying you shouldn't find the story beautiful.  I'm just saying I dislike it.  What's next, are we going to mud wrestle over Beethoven vs. Mozart?



To the OP - I appreciate and respect your sentiment of posting such a personally significant bit of poetic prose. So, don't take this personally (I'm replying to xoxi) but, Mozart would lose because he was a whiney pansy whose father was a "stage mother".

There is more, but it gets a bit egg-headed (pun-intended) after this...

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RE: the tea cup - 8/28/2007 6:56:52 AM   
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The point, to me, is not that I am a fully molded. I know for a fact that I still have growing and learning to do. But I'm not interested in anyone who only sees me as a lump of clay to mold into something beautiful instead of something beautiful already.

I don't need someone else to "finish" me. I am only interested in those who love me for who I am and want to be there so that we can grow together.

Didn't mean to offend enyone,appologies,point taken,the difference between us is,i see myself purely as property,a relationship of service,not love.To be dunn with as owner see fit,anything else to me would be a bonus.To me (being moulded) is just part of the journey.


No offense taken at all. Simply different points of view and different ways of doing things.

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RE: the tea cup - 8/28/2007 7:10:35 AM   
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How much did the tea cup cost (including tax)?


and yet the teacup was being sold instead of being used by it's Master.

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RE: the tea cup - 8/28/2007 7:11:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Estring

How much did the tea cup cost (including tax)?


and yet the teacup was being sold instead of being used by it's Master.


I've been wondering about that.

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RE: the tea cup - 8/28/2007 7:21:36 AM   
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Amazing how BobKGin and a few others can see the beauty of the story and sooo many others take offense at a simple allegorical tale that personifies the story I've heard so many times on this site by subs and slaves who praise their owner for developing the into what thay have become! Sad that so many on this site have to twist the original intent of an OP and dash the lovliness of some statements and thoughts expressed here simply to bash and break and deny wondrous things said here George 


It's because some of you folks are unrealistic romantics....You don't understand what happened "The world went and got itself in a big damn hurry."   You view yourselves as saviours, the few, the infallible...You are perfect and the sub is a little lump of helpless clay....So ya use your wisdom to whip her up into some sort of  a urinal or  tea cup.  Either way there are millions of each, and I can never  recall one urinal or tea cup above the other...Of course, it is never a great idea to drink one's tea from a urinal.

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RE: the tea cup - 8/28/2007 7:37:06 AM   
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It is a nice story, but for me misses the point that the process of creating a M/s bond has an effect on the Dom just as much as it has on the sub. Maybe showing the discovery and learning that the tea cup maker has at each stage would illustrate how everyone in an M/s relationship is as involved as the other(s).  I think if I were writing it I would have used the process of creating an interactive art work or maybe a sculpture made from natural materials like driftwood or stone instead of something more inert like clay.

Even if it is self serving I do like the idea of showing that older folks can still carry the flame of bdsm....

Bill

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RE: the tea cup - 8/28/2007 9:36:00 AM   
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e10n - I think domiguy summed up the lighter side perfectly.  Saviour complex indeed!  I'm sure it 'speaks' to all the Doms who consider themselves infallible bringers of truth, justice, and the BDSM way, as well as all the subs who just *know* their life will be perfect once they find a Dom to come fix everything for them.

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RE: the tea cup - 8/28/2007 9:41:47 AM   
e01n


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Oh, I get the savior complex... I just don't agree with it. It doesn't always have a place in WIITWD and frankly can be offensive at times.

Popcorn?

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RE: the tea cup - 8/28/2007 10:16:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: georgejames68

Amazing how BobKGin and a few others can see the beauty of the story and sooo many others take offense at a simple allegorical tale that personifies the story I've heard so many times on this site by subs and slaves who praise their owner for developing the into what thay have become! Sad that so many on this site have to twist the original intent of an OP and dash the lovliness of some statements and thoughts expressed here simply to bash and break and deny wondrous things said here George 

One could say its amazing how some can't see the point of others.  Not everyone approaches this lifestyle in the same way.  In fact, spend enough time in either these forums or at events and you'll soon discover there is very little about this lifestyle people in it can universally agree on.

For some the story of the tea cup ,and various similiar stories, very much embodies their concept of and beliefs about this lifestyle.  That's fine for them.  There is nothing inherently wrong with taking a very romantic approach to the lifestyle.  There are those submissives who do very much want to be molded, shaped, and changed into something that pleases another.  Some will denigrate that, others will applaud it.  But the truth is, if the people actually involved are happy, that's about all that really matters.

For some the story of the tea cup is anti-thetical to their beliefs and concept of this lifestyle.  There are dominants who don't want to have to mold and shape someone... they want someone capable of directing their own behavior, of shaping themselves with minimal guidance from the dominant.  There are submissives who chaffe at the idea of being that controlled or dependant on a dominant.  And as before, there are some who will nay say that, and others who will applaud it.  And once again, as long as those actually involved are happy....

And there are lots of people that fall somewhere in between.

So maybe the real "moral" to this story is that no matter what it may be we discuss... its not for everyone, beauty really is in the eye of the beholder, and to each their own.

Me... I'm still happy if they aren't throwing the tea cups at me... and long as I'm happy... ya know.

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RE: the tea cup - 8/28/2007 10:16:56 AM   
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Mmm yes please

My saviour!

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RE: the tea cup - 8/30/2007 7:49:41 AM   
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the funny thing is that i have been in a year year long, study course that bases itself on samurai principals which is why you dont see me any more, and my sensei gave me this storry, and to him it was refferring to god being the master.

i offered the storry as somthing i liked and was amused at how many differnt buttons it pushed.

human nature is interesting to me, its facinating that we can know some one, what they are insecure about, what they fear and what they love about themselves in every responce verbal or non verbal they make.

if i choose to listen to what i am really perciving instead of getting caught up in reacting, i will never be decieved.

thank you alll for replying to thiis thread, every one of you honor me with your humaness....you are all great teachers.



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RE: the tea cup - 8/30/2007 8:39:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress

the funny thing is that i have been in a year year long, study course that bases itself on samurai principals which is why you dont see me any more, and my sensei gave me this storry, and to him it was refferring to god being the master.



It sounded a bit like that to me. It changes things a lot when you are talking about an owner rather than *insert your own personal deity here*. Valyraen is not a god and has no desire to be. He is not all knowing and he can not see what is best for me all the time. He needs my input because even though he is a wonderful, kind-hearted, generous, firm and dominant man he is still only a man.

If you had still used to the story to refer to *insert your own personal deity here*, the response, from me anyway, would have been different.

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RE: the tea cup - 8/30/2007 9:16:10 AM   
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To be 'molded' as such is and should have been a parent's job.

Some men would actually prefer a cracked cup, some are even attracted to the re-glued, some enjoy middle ground cup n saucer area.

What good really is an empty cup?  Who wants a trophy that cannot be filled with wine?

Without a good Master to drink from it/her, it is just another cup collecting dust.  


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RE: the tea cup - 8/30/2007 10:14:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub: It sounded a bit like that to me. It changes things a lot when you are talking about an owner rather than *insert your own personal deity here*. Valyraen is not a god and has no desire to be. He is not all knowing and he can not see what is best for me all the time. He needs my input because even though he is a wonderful, kind-hearted, generous, firm and dominant man he is still only a man.

If you had still used to the story to refer to *insert your own personal deity here*, the response, from me anyway, would have been different.
And from me, my reaction would be no different. It was offered in the context of a BDSM forum in the "general BDSM" section.

Yes, I saw the religious tone to it. Yes, I've actually heard the story before. My reaction is still that sometimes, if the cup needs to depend on the fickleness and failings of others (including deity-of-choice), it's better off as porcelain dust and a lesson in impermanence.

武士道と云ふは死ぬ事と見つけたり - this is NOT the same as what happens to the teacup in the story, in the least.

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Once when Lord Mitsushige was a little boy and was supposed to recite from a copybook for the priest Kaion, he called the other children and acolytes and said, "Please come here and listen. It's difficult to read if there are hardly any people listening." The priest was impressed and said to the acolytes, "That's the spirit in which to do everything."
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The word gen means "illusion" or "apparition." In India, a man who uses conjury is called a genjutsushi ["a master of illusion technique"]. Everything in this world is but a marionette show. Thus we use the word gen.
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To hate injustice and stand on righteousness is a difficult thing. Furthermore, to think that being righteous is the best one can do and to do one's utmost to be righteous will, on the contrary, brig many mistakes. The Way is in a higher place then righteousness. This is very difficult to discover, but it is the highest wisdom. When seen from this standpoint, things like righteousness are rather shallow. If one does not understand this on his own, it cannot be known. There is a method of getting to this Way, however, even if one cannot discover it by himself. This is found in consultation with others. Even a person who has not attained this Way sees others front the side. It is like the saying from the game of go: "He who sees from the side has eight eyes." The saying, "Thought by thought we see our own mistakes," also means that the highest Way is in discussion with others. Listening to the old stories and reading books are for the purpose of sloughing off one's own discrimination and attaching oneself to that of the ancients.
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Among the maxims on Lord Naoshige's wall there was this one: ''Matters of' great concern should be treated lightly.'' Master lttei commented, "Matters of small concern should be treated seriously." Among one's affairs there should not be more than two or three matters of what one could call great concern. If these are deliberated upon during ordinary times, they can be understood. Thinking about things previously and then handling them lightly when the time comes is what this is all about. To face an event anew solve it lightly is difficult if you are not resolved beforehand, and there will always be uncertainty in hitting your mark. However, if the foundation is laid previously, you can think of the saying, "Matters of great concern should be treated lightly," as your own basis for action.



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