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RE: Who is your first tier? - 8/30/2007 9:27:10 AM   
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As a master, how does this paradigm change for you?  If something of great importance, be it ether good or potentially seriously damaging were to be impacting you to such a degree (in this case, an arrest) goes down in your life, who do you share it with, who do you turn to?

puella,
My "first tier" and only tier is beth; arrest or a hangnail.

It is a drastic and dramatic change for me. My nature is not to trust anyone. My experience with people proved that to be a not only good idea but right. The one thing you could count on with confidence is that people live down to low expectation. Most people's help 'limit' is the border of where helping you stops helping them in some way. I am an only child. I don't know if that attitude is a result of nature or nurture, but for whatever reason I was comfortable dealing with my problems and issues alone, and I was good at it. Then there was beth...

she is my slave, my possession; but she is also my life. It was unintentional, unexpected, but denying her impact on my life would deny my life. she managed to tear down the facade and strip away all veneer. she was, and is, so comfortable being 'naked' emotionally and mentally, it made me feel uncomfortable, and actually stupid, for wearing any 'clothes'. her confidence and strength and "I don't care what others think" attitude about herself was unique. It is easy to share yourself when you have complete confidence in the other person. When you can rely on a person as you can rely on gravity it becomes as natural to trust. Now I can't imagine keeping anything from her - good or bad. I tell her often how much I hate her for doing this to me.

Life was so much easier without having my happiness, contentment, and well being rely on someone else. My only fear in life is the thought of somehow having to live without her. It is why the most important rule I have for her is that she is not allowed to die first. 

First tier? Other than beth there is no other.

It is my hope that i am this to my Master....i fear that because of my MANY weaknesses i may not be...but i hope i am.


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RE: Who is your first tier? - 8/30/2007 4:02:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: puella

Who is your first tier...to whom do you first turn?  I think, naturally for submissives, the answer is obvious; I am very interested in the ideas from the other side of the street, so to speak.



without doubt and without question.. I turn to Alandra and Kyra.. first and foremost beyond anyone else.. and no I don't have a favorite between them.. they are interchangeable.  secondly.. both will be turned to on any issue.  I never seek just one of them... even if the issue is about one of them.

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RE: Who is your first tier? - 8/30/2007 7:31:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: puella

Who is your first tier...to whom do you first turn?  I think, naturally for submissives, the answer is obvious; I am very interested in the ideas from the other side of the street, so to speak.

At this point in my life, that would only be myself.  It's simply how things are at this point, but such has not always been the case.  I read what Merc and beth shared and it reminded me of once familiar things.  Someone who knew me front cover to back.  The advantage to relying only on yourself is that there is no one to let you down but you... but unfortunately no one to help pick you up, but you.  Sharing your life with someone, as Merc and beth do, has the advantage of halving your burdens, but the disadvantage is that losing that person can be the most painful hell anyone could imagine.

I don't know if I'll ever have that again.  Part of me wants it, part of me is terrified of it.  Part of me wonders if perhaps the right person came along I'd feel that connection again, that it would emerge on its own.  Part of me wonders if lightning ever does strike twice.

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RE: Who is your first tier? - 8/30/2007 8:17:22 PM   
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I'm almost insanely independent in nature. I like my choices to be mine-and have things set up in ways that only I have the responsibility for, if I screw up.

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RE: Who is your first tier? - 8/30/2007 8:19:31 PM   
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Lightning does strike twice and I hope for you it is one big assed storm that sweeps you away.

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RE: Who is your first tier? - 8/30/2007 8:23:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
It is a drastic and dramatic change for me. My nature is not to trust anyone. My experience with people proved that to be a not only good idea but right. The one thing you could count on with confidence is that people live down to low expectation. Most people's help 'limit' is the border of where helping you stops helping them in some way. I am an only child. I don't know if that attitude is a result of nature or nurture, but for whatever reason I was comfortable dealing with my problems and issues alone, and I was good at it. Then there was beth...

she is my slave, my possession; but she is also my life. It was unintentional, unexpected, but denying her impact on my life would deny my life. she managed to tear down the facade and strip away all veneer. she was, and is, so comfortable being 'naked' emotionally and mentally, it made me feel uncomfortable, and actually stupid, for wearing any 'clothes'. her confidence and strength and "I don't care what others think" attitude about herself was unique. It is easy to share yourself when you have complete confidence in the other person. When you can rely on a person as you can rely on gravity it becomes as natural to trust. Now I can't imagine keeping anything from her - good or bad. I tell her often how much I hate her for doing this to me.

Life was so much easier without having my happiness, contentment, and well being rely on someone else. My only fear in life is the thought of somehow having to live without her. It is why the most important rule I have for her is that she is not allowed to die first. 


Merc, this is beautiful to read about. What a joyous revelation (at least I imagine from my own similar experience). But did you fight violently against the vulnerability at first? How long did it take to learn/accept it?

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RE: Who is your first tier? - 8/30/2007 8:34:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Padriag

At this point in my life, that would only be myself.  It's simply how things are at this point, but such has not always been the case.  I read what Merc and beth shared and it reminded me of once familiar things.  Someone who knew me front cover to back.  The advantage to relying only on yourself is that there is no one to let you down but you... but unfortunately no one to help pick you up, but you.  Sharing your life with someone, as Merc and beth do, has the advantage of halving your burdens, but the disadvantage is that losing that person can be the most painful hell anyone could imagine.

I don't know if I'll ever have that again.  Part of me wants it, part of me is terrified of it.  Part of me wonders if perhaps the right person came along I'd feel that connection again, that it would emerge on its own.  Part of me wonders if lightning ever does strike twice.


I hope so too.

It's hard to put yourself out there twice.

Stephan

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RE: Who is your first tier? - 8/30/2007 9:11:56 PM   
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i am His and He is mine. No-one has ever been there so totally for me before and i know He feels the same way. The depth of trust and love we feel for each other is a new experience for both of us.
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RE: Who is your first tier? - 8/30/2007 11:42:12 PM   
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If something screwy happens, my first person I turn to is my friend up in Tallahasse. Although I have known her for less than a year, she is probably the best person for me to turn to for two reasons: 1) she's older than me, and will not hesitate to set me straight, and 2) she doesn't judge me if it's something crazy, as some people would that I know because of their beleifs. If you trust someone, make sure they are non judgemental, but still have a good head on their shoulders and will not hesitate to give you a swift kick in the rear.

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RE: Who is your first tier? - 8/30/2007 11:49:49 PM   
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The first person I turn to is my son as he and I are always here for each other no matter what. He accepted my lifestyle a long time ago and is very comfortable with it. Which brings up another question is it different for Mistresses as my slaves need me to be emotionally strong for them to be anything less would disappoint them.

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RE: Who is your first tier? - 8/31/2007 3:22:08 AM   
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Master shares with me more and more, particularly lately.  Prior to some very significant changes in our dynamic as of late, he would shelter me from things he felt would be too much for me to handle.  He is a rather independent sort and pretty much handles his own affairs, and has very few key people in his life that he shares himself with.  I am fortunate to be one of them.  It's not so much he asks for help, but he will talk about things and will welcome and consider my input.  To have his confidence and trust to such a degree was something I always aspired to and feel blessed to have reached.

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RE: Who is your first tier? - 8/31/2007 7:36:07 AM   
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Thank you, Mercnbeth, your experiece was expressed beautifully.  It is one I share but only because my Man was willing to be that sort of transparent with me.

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RE: Who is your first tier? - 8/31/2007 1:06:50 PM   
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I absolutely talk with Phoenix first. We live the 24/7 life, so the dom/sub thing is reinforced a lot, but that will never change the fact that we are first and foremost friends, the we are lovers/partners, and last we are dom/sub. I ask my other friends advice where they have knowledge. I have a few friends who know a little about everything, and what they don’t know a lot about they can find out. (I live in my own world where everyone helps everyone else without expectation of returning favors. . .so do my friends). So I always go to Phoenix first. After that I call my friends and mother.

On the other hand, they all call me. I have a close friend in GA who has called me before her husband or boyfriend (poly relationship). My mother calls me before calling her husband type person, even on what jobs to accept. My friends call me for everything from advice to physical assistance. The other night I was in bed almost asleep and I got a call asking for a ride, I was out of bed and dressed before I found out it was to a hospital. At the door in about four minutes.

So really, I live in a world, with people, who help out all the time for no reason, other than it is the right things to do. Phoenix always comes first though. Phoenix frequently says that if there were a Utopia, I would be one of the few who would be allowed to live in it.
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RE: Who is your first tier? - 8/31/2007 1:10:50 PM   
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Angel is definately my "first tier" as you put it. AS unavailable as he might be, he has never once questioned being here when I needed him. Whether it be becasue I had mechanical problems with my car, emotional problems elsewhere, I was stressed or ust didnt want to be alone one night.
He listens whenever I need to talk, even if it has to be on the phone. He knows when I want advice and when to keep himself in check and just listen.  He is invaluable, and I wouldnt trade our relationship in that sense for the world.
I try and be the same for him, and for the first time, he has someone who wants to be.  It works out well for us.

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RE: Who is your first tier? - 8/31/2007 4:43:38 PM   
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I think everyone values being needed and/or wanted.  And that is sort of the basis for this, I believe.  To turn to someone is your way of showing them they are wanted or needed or whatever you would like to refer to it as.  I would like a better analogy, but without deeper thought into the matter, the best comparison I can draw is Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs.  First of all, you need to be able to turn to yourself.  People close to you are often next.  Then come friends, co-workers, all the way down to complete strangers.

I would say that one needs to be able to turn to themselves in a time of need FIRST, before being able to turn to another person.  That isn't to say that those who have said they turn to them are not able to do so (and therefore not able to turn to someone else).  That would first and foremost be insulting, and secondly grossly inaccurate.  Rather, I think that before you CAN turn to a partner, before you yourself consider you to be ABLE to even do so, you have to be able to turn to yourself.  As you build trust in yourself as the primary source of reassurance and support in your life, you can then move on to having partners and close friends/family as your secondary.  For some, from there, they'd have a third tier, and those tertiary people could just be friends, co-workers, and so forth as I said before.

So to go all the way around the question, in order to come back to the question (forgive me on this one, I am a journalist with most of the fibers of my being, and I think it is just something that the entire profession has a nack for), I think everyones' first tier is themselves.

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RE: Who is your first tier? - 8/31/2007 4:52:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: puella

As a master, how does this paradigm change for you?  If something of great importance, be it ether good or potentially seriously damaging were to be impacting you to such a degree (in this case, an arrest) goes down in your life, who do you share it with, who do you turn to?  Does the dynamic of this lifestyle keep you from that person being the woman (man) you own?  Does the dynamic  of this lifestyle make that relationship of 'life partner' alter to such a degree that you are limited in  whom or how you can or desire to share yourself and the fullness of your life, good and bad, important and trivial?  Does control and mastery/submission and servitude mean that that part of a relationship is no longer an option, no longer appropriate for you and the person you are dominant to?  

Who is your first tier...to whom do you first turn?  I think, naturally for submissives, the answer is obvious; I am very interested in the ideas from the other side of the street, so to speak.


Thanks so much!

Jen


Good question, Jen, and my answer would be "no".
 
If I'm going to let someone be mine, that means that I trust them, and that there is going to be a great deal of closeness. I'm not sure I'd want someone that I couldn't turn to.

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RE: Who is your first tier? - 8/31/2007 7:43:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MadHatter

If something screwy happens, my first person I turn to is my friend up in Tallahasse. Although I have known her for less than a year, she is probably the best person for me to turn to for two reasons: 1) she's older than me, and will not hesitate to set me straight, and 2) she doesn't judge me if it's something crazy, as some people would that I know because of their beleifs. If you trust someone, make sure they are non judgemental, but still have a good head on their shoulders and will not hesitate to give you a swift kick in the rear.


Damn right, son. (I am the friend he's referring to, lol)

My first tier is my best friend of all time. She lives in London and although the distance is great, it doesn't bother us.

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RE: Who is your first tier? - 9/1/2007 12:00:31 AM   
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I do think folks involved in D/s or something else considered non-mainstream are more likely to partner with people who would be their true first tier, just because we're used to sharing things that most others would consider shameful, embarrassing, or "wrong".

It's really a shame for guys like Craig, because who knows if his wife would have been accepting had he just talked to her about his desires. But it's understandable.

I certainly would never marry someone who I didn't feel I would call first about anything. My trust in this regards was broken by my last slave, so at the moment my best friend and my sister are my first tier :) But someday I hope to have a slave I could confess my anonymous gay bathroom sex fantasies to, if I were to have them.

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RE: Who is your first tier? - 9/1/2007 12:07:01 AM   
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My slave/wife is the closest to me and would always be the first in discussing any important matter.

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