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liljoy -> RE: Competition in the 'community' (8/31/2007 9:52:05 AM)
wow you got your limelight. i have never seen so many of the people that i am impressed with here be so unimpressed with one single person. Seriously there should be some kind of award for that or at the very least a lime colored star next to your name or something

celticlord2112 -> RE: Competition in the 'community' (8/31/2007 10:09:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aileen68 Then how on Earth do you enjoy a Margarita???? Oh that's easy...extra tequila--let the alcohol numb the nerve endings and inhibit the allergic response! [:D]

e01n -> RE: Competition in the 'community' (8/31/2007 10:27:12 AM)
Blocking = Public Isolation aka "My mind's made up - don't confuse me with the facts!" It's a cheap tactic, but it works to maintain personal illusions. Too bad that it proves the blocker to be totally inferior and incompetent as a conversationalist.

Bobkgin -> RE: Competition in the 'community' (8/31/2007 10:34:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance quote: ORIGINAL: Bobkgin As I see it, there are three choices: Competiton, Isolation, or Cooperation. In the absence of those with whom cooperation is possible, I choose Isolation, as competition (and by that I do not mean friendly competition, such as one finds when playing games with friends) seems to me to be an inherently immature choice. No bob is an island! Oh wait, that would make all islands a bob and that won't work either. Never mind. I finally figured you out (more or less). When you speak of competition, you do so in the limited context of your own personal agenda. You are here to find love. All things revolve around this strong driving force for yourself, and you seem to have a hard time separating any one topic from this driving force. When I think about competition in BDSM, I respond with a post: 1) As it relates to the discussions on this forum. 2) As it relates to my experience with things 3) As competition relates to my personal philosophy of things in general. It seems to me that because you cannot separate what you are looking for, from the larger picture, you are limited to just those three choices (competition, isolation, cooperation). edited to correct typos and add: I'm not, in the least, criticizing you for wanting to find love. I am just seeing a repeating theme here, that is driving your responses/posts. And I can understand that, given the -very- limited reason for my being here. What you haven't seen (and no fault there) is that how I approach Love reflects how I approach my life. I've never seen competition to be a healthy dynamic for interpersonal relationships. For me, it's never been about who is best or who is right. It has always been about being better than I was, knowing more than I knew. Being better, knowing more, always helped me to help others. Helping others has always been the driving force in my life. That which helps me to help others is what I seek. I am here specifically to assemble a loving poly family involving myself and two female slaves. Such a family would be a tremendous influence in my ability to help others. Wherever I am, whenever possible, I attempt to develop cooperative relationships with like-minded individuals. It has earned me a great deal of respect amongst those I've found along the way. Cooperative efforts are much stronger than any competitive effort. History is replete with examples, the easiest to point would be historic military coalitions who defeated individual competitive nations (the Allies vs the Axis in WWII, for example). The Allies were far more cooperative than the Axis, and thus won the war. Competition serves selfish purposes, and isolates individuals who are competing. It seeks to limit the benefits of success to the individual competitor. One need only look at the environmental degradation to see the consequences of competition. No one can spare the profit margin to be environmentally responsible. So while you are seeing this philosophy in a very narrow sense, expressed in my search here, you are not seeing how this is merely a manifestation of the philosophy I apply to my life in all aspects.

LaTigresse -> RE: Competition in the 'community' (8/31/2007 11:01:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aileen68 Then how on Earth do you enjoy a Margarita???? Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, margaritaaaassss!

celticlord2112 -> RE: Competition in the 'community' (8/31/2007 11:26:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bobkgin Competition serves selfish purposes, and isolates individuals who are competing. It seeks to limit the benefits of success to the individual competitor. This is not true. In any competitive arena--martial art, music, chess, et cetera--the competitive spirit raises all participants. By competing, we provide ourselves external points of reference to gauge our progress and level of skill. We also become a point of reference to others. When the individual competes, he furthers his admittedly personal goals of personal excellence. However, the benefits of pursuing excellence are not limited to any one competitor, but are dispersed across all competitors. Thus competition benefits the population at large, not just the individual competitor. Competition is necessarily a social function and therefore is most emphatically a social good.

Bobkgin -> RE: Competition in the 'community' (8/31/2007 11:30:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: e01n Blocking = Public Isolation aka "My mind's made up - don't confuse me with the facts!" It's a cheap tactic, but it works to maintain personal illusions. Too bad that it proves the blocker to be totally inferior and incompetent as a conversationalist. You can complain to CollarChat for giving all us cowards the opportunity to opt out of viewing immature and childish posts.

WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Competition in the 'community' (8/31/2007 11:35:43 AM)
[:)] quote: ORIGINAL: Bobkgin quote: ORIGINAL: e01n Blocking = Public Isolation aka "My mind's made up - don't confuse me with the facts!" It's a cheap tactic, but it works to maintain personal illusions. Too bad that it proves the blocker to be totally inferior and incompetent as a conversationalist.[sm=crop.gif] You can complain to CollarChat for giving all us cowards the opportunity to opt out of viewing immature and childish posts.[sm=moon.gif] I have this hyptothetical situation here about a guy...lets call him, hmm...bob works. Its a good generic name. Could be anyone. This hypothetical bob, seems to be an attention slut who has made the CM Forum his Mistress. Every time he responds now, all I hear anymore is "Thank You Mistress. May I have another?" edited to toss in a smiley. I hear they soften the words and help stress the good humor intended.[;)] Maybe I better add more smileys.[;)][;)][;)][;)][;)][;)]

Bobkgin -> RE: Competition in the 'community' (8/31/2007 11:37:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: ORIGINAL: Bobkgin Competition serves selfish purposes, and isolates individuals who are competing. It seeks to limit the benefits of success to the individual competitor. This is not true. In any competitive arena--martial art, music, chess, et cetera--the competitive spirit raises all participants. By competing, we provide ourselves external points of reference to gauge our progress and level of skill. We also become a point of reference to others. When the individual competes, he furthers his admittedly personal goals of personal excellence. However, the benefits of pursuing excellence are not limited to any one competitor, but are dispersed across all competitors. Thus competition benefits the population at large, not just the individual competitor. Competition is necessarily a social function and therefore is most emphatically a social good. Hitler thought so, and look at what happened during that compeititon? The ice caps are melting due to financial competition, that's "social good"? Yes, we have jobs, but the rich get richer and the poor get poorer year after year...that's "social good"? How many people in America have health care? How many don't? Here, in Canada, we all do. Look at the farming cooperatives. I realize (just looking at the list of people who have viewed my profile) that for the most part I am speaking with Americans who would rather swallow nails than admit the competitive paradigm has fatal draw-backs. But I will stick with my position, for as I analyze history and the current world, I do not see a validation of that paradigm. If competition was so good for us, the environment should be better, not worst than it was a century ago. And that just ain't so.

celticlord2112 -> RE: Competition in the 'community' (8/31/2007 11:42:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bobkgin The Allies were far more cooperative than the Axis, and thus won the war. Montgomery vs Patton. McArthur vs. just about everybody. The Allies were quite competitive amongst themselves, and possibly even more so than the Axis forces.

Mercnbeth -> RE: Competition in the 'community' (8/31/2007 12:00:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bobkgin quote: ORIGINAL: e01n Blocking = Public Isolation aka "My mind's made up - don't confuse me with the facts!" It's a cheap tactic, but it works to maintain personal illusions. Too bad that it proves the blocker to be totally inferior and incompetent as a conversationalist. Bobkgin: You can complain to CollarChat for giving all us cowards the opportunity to opt out of viewing immature and childish posts. [sm=bust.gif]*SOME-body is peeking again!!!* [sm=bust.gif] However - Heir Goethe's (Appropriate considering the Hitler reference wouldn't you say?) quote has inspired some disclosure of truth and self awareness. I bet those twins... quote: I am here specifically to assemble a loving poly family involving myself and two female slaves. ...are on their way to Kawarthas to take advantage of that great Canadian health coverage as I type. "The coward only threatens when he is safe." Johann Wolfgang von Goethe ...Having in mind John Belushi's 'Bluto' character walking down the stairs in Animal House and his quote: "Sorry..." [8\|]

Bobkgin -> RE: Competition in the 'community' (8/31/2007 12:01:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: ORIGINAL: Bobkgin The Allies were far more cooperative than the Axis, and thus won the war. Montgomery vs Patton. McArthur vs. just about everybody. The Allies were quite competitive amongst themselves, and possibly even more so than the Axis forces. The generals were under the supreme command and politicos who were above that. On this level there was outstanding cooperation. Consider that America would never have made an A bomb had not England shared its secrets. The entire Intrepid network of spies who, amongst other things, secured the Enigma coding machines and broke the codes, involved a lot of cooperation between the security forces of America, Canada and England. But consider also the pharmaceutical industry, which pursues treatments but not cures. Why? Cures are not profitable: one shot and you're cured. But with treatments you can pay for a life time. Why cure cancer when the treatment costs more to buy? Why cure Diabetes when the insulin and supplies will bring in greater profits? Why worry about a cure or a treatment for rare illnesses, knowing you'll never make back your investment? Or in the auto industry: Why build cleaner cars which will cost more to build and sell? There has been no voluntary scale back of polluntants that I know of ever. Every pollution control has come into place as a result of the cooperative efforts of law-makers imposing limits on competitive industries. How many people would starve if not for the cooperative effort of aid given them in times of crisis? Where were the competitors during the flooding of New Orleans, or the aftermath of the tsunami in Indonesia? Where were the social benefits of competition in evidence in these situations? Was it not the cooperation of people that led to real social benefits? Was it not the cooperation of people in New York on 9/11 that brought people together? Were these individuals keeping score of which rescue team brought out more, and trying to outdo each other? Was this what you propose to be the reason they were doing what they were doing? Police, Fire Department, and the military all recognize how much more important cooperation is to competitiveness. Cooperation with your team members is drilled into you. And they are effective in doing what they do because they cooperate with one another. Seems to argue my case rather well, I think.

earthycouple -> RE: Competition in the 'community' (8/31/2007 12:03:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bobkgin quote: ORIGINAL: Owner4SexSlave Bob, a lot of People Do this in all walks on Life just not Here on CollarMe!!! Why would anybody want to have a competition over anything? Bet you could come up with a List of Reasons if you sat down at a Table using a Pen and Paper, away from the Computer and put some Educated Thought and Guess work into it... Hell Bob, you think Submissives are not into Competition as Well? You only Mention Us Dom types? Do you Believe the Submissives Play Nice Nice too? Woman Can be just as Bad if not Worse than Men when It comes down to this! Plus Woman have the Art of Backstabbing Down to a Science, Men just rather Piss on Each other Out in the Open! As I see it, there are three choices: Competiton, Isolation, or Cooperation. In the absence of those with whom cooperation is possible, I choose Isolation, as competition (and by that I do not mean friendly competition, such as one finds when playing games with friends) *seems to me to be an inherently immature choice.* here in lies the answer to bob's universe. must be amazing to be so level headed and scads more mature than the rest of us. competition is immature...I'll keep that in mind when I'm up for promotion as is my cube mate. I'll be sure I slack off so I don't get the raise.

Aileen68 -> RE: Competition in the 'community' (8/31/2007 12:08:01 PM)
I think we should gather up a whole bevy of nekkid slaves (and subs too, but only if they are twue) and put em all in a big mud pit and let em wrestle. Now that's a worthy competition.

Bobkgin -> RE: Competition in the 'community' (8/31/2007 12:10:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance [:)] quote: ORIGINAL: Bobkgin quote: ORIGINAL: e01n Blocking = Public Isolation aka "My mind's made up - don't confuse me with the facts!" It's a cheap tactic, but it works to maintain personal illusions. Too bad that it proves the blocker to be totally inferior and incompetent as a conversationalist.[sm=crop.gif] You can complain to CollarChat for giving all us cowards the opportunity to opt out of viewing immature and childish posts.[sm=moon.gif] I have this hyptothetical situation here about a guy...lets call him, hmm...bob works. Its a good generic name. Could be anyone. This hypothetical bob, seems to be an attention slut who has made the CM Forum his Mistress. Every time he responds now, all I hear anymore is "Thank You Mistress. May I have another?" edited to toss in a smiley. I hear they soften the words and help stress the good humor intended.[;)] Maybe I better add more smileys.[;)][;)][;)][;)][;)][;)] lol It is easy to believe I have deliberately taken them over against their will. But I swear, I am never anyplace very long before individuals of that calibre start following me around. They just feel drawn to it, till it becomes an obsession for them. I said this when I first posted to these forums. It is inevitable.

celticlord2112 -> RE: Competition in the 'community' (8/31/2007 12:12:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bobkgin Hitler thought so, and look at what happened during that compeititon? Yep....Hitler lost. And if Neville Chamberlain and Joe Kennedy had been a little more "competitive" instead of willing to "cooperate" with Hitler, he would have been stopped at Munich and the Final Solution would never have happened. If Stalin hadn't agreed to "cooperate" when Hitler invaded Poland, WWII would never have happened. quote: ORIGINAL: Bobkgin The ice caps are melting due to financial competition, that's "social good"? A nice emotionally charged statement with some extremely questionable science plus an exceedingly hypocritical demagogue named Al Gore to support it. Moving right along... quote: ORIGINAL: Bobkgin Yes, we have jobs, but the rich get richer and the poor get poorer year after year...that's "social good"? The competitive market system of the United States has raised the purchasing power of all economic strata. This is historical fact, as opposed to hysterical class warfare rhetoric. Marx was wrong in the 19th century and he remains wrong today. quote: ORIGINAL: Bobkgin How many people in America have health care? How many don't? Here, in Canada, we all do. And how many Canadiens come south for medical treatment? How many Americans head north for the same? quote: ORIGINAL: Bobkgin Look at the farming cooperatives. What about them? quote: ORIGINAL: Bobkgin I realize (just looking at the list of people who have viewed my profile) that for the most part I am speaking with Americans who would rather swallow nails than admit the competitive paradigm has fatal draw-backs. And this gratuitous ad hominem attack on my nationality accomplishes what? I was born in the USA, and served this country proudly (if imperfectly) as a United States Marine. I do not apologize for that. Nor do I have much respect for those who foolishly wave the flag in pious justifications of such abominations as Abu Graib, Guantanimo Bay, and that abomination of legislation known as the Patriot Act. However, I have only contempt for those who pretend to villify me because of where I happen to live. If you wish to insult me, sir, you should get to know me first. I'm really quite an asshole at heart--I promise you I can give you far better mud to sling at me than this. quote: ORIGINAL: Bobkgin If competition was so good for us, the environment should be better, not worst than it was a century ago. And that just ain't so. The most polluted and environmentally ravaged places on Earth happen to be the former Eastern Bloc nations influenced by the highly anti-competitive and now defunct Soviet Union. The blessings of "cooperation" destroyed the ecosystem of the Aral Sea, and bequeathed Chernyobyl to the world. The People's Republic of China--also presumably predicated on "cooperation"--has in a single generation driven the Yangtse River dolphin to extinction. Cooperation isn't all bad, but it has the habit of sustaining human folly far longer than competition. History proves that time and time again, across cultures and millennia. So I finish with a quote from Cyrano..."Here comes, thank God, another enemy!"

Bobkgin -> RE: Competition in the 'community' (8/31/2007 12:15:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: earthycouple quote: ORIGINAL: Bobkgin quote: ORIGINAL: Owner4SexSlave Bob, a lot of People Do this in all walks on Life just not Here on CollarMe!!! Why would anybody want to have a competition over anything? Bet you could come up with a List of Reasons if you sat down at a Table using a Pen and Paper, away from the Computer and put some Educated Thought and Guess work into it... Hell Bob, you think Submissives are not into Competition as Well? You only Mention Us Dom types? Do you Believe the Submissives Play Nice Nice too? Woman Can be just as Bad if not Worse than Men when It comes down to this! Plus Woman have the Art of Backstabbing Down to a Science, Men just rather Piss on Each other Out in the Open! As I see it, there are three choices: Competiton, Isolation, or Cooperation. In the absence of those with whom cooperation is possible, I choose Isolation, as competition (and by that I do not mean friendly competition, such as one finds when playing games with friends) *seems to me to be an inherently immature choice.* here in lies the answer to bob's universe. must be amazing to be so level headed and scads more mature than the rest of us. competition is immature...I'll keep that in mind when I'm up for promotion as is my cube mate. I'll be sure I slack off so I don't get the raise. I'm not suggesting that. I've already said I seek to be the best I can be. Slacking off would not qualify as "best". The point I've been making is be a better person for yourself and those who care about you, need you, depend upon you. Don't just settle for being better than the other guy. Why let him set standards for you? Set your own and you will always find them challenging (because if they're not challenging anymore, you'll set the standard higher).

celticlord2112 -> RE: Competition in the 'community' (8/31/2007 12:19:55 PM)
I could post a most eloquent dissertation on the interconnectedness of cooperation and competition.....but it would be futile. Your ears are as closed as your mind. Therefore, in your case, I recommend curtain number three....Isolation.

liljoy -> RE: Competition in the 'community' (8/31/2007 12:28:40 PM)
quote: However, I have only contempt for those who pretend to villify me because of where I happen to live. If you wish to insult me, sir, you should get to know me first. I'm really quite an asshole at heart--I promise you I can give you far better mud to sling at me than this. lol This paragraph alone has made reading this entire thread worthwhile. Thank You CelticLord here i was afraid i had wasted all this time for nothing edited because i messed up the quote box

WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Competition in the 'community' (8/31/2007 12:29:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 I could post a most eloquent dissertation on the interconnectedness of cooperation and competition.....but it would be futile. Your ears are as closed as your mind. Therefore, in your case, I recommend curtain number three....Isolation. How cruel of you. I was looking forward to your eloquent dissertation. By the way, while you are at it, care to write my thesis for me regarding the effects of seasonal depression on the Kamakaze dear of Michigan?

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