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RE: Dom A or Dom B who would you be with? - 8/31/2007 11:07:34 AM   
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I am going to give my final opinion.........go by your heart and what you share in common.  It's similar to someone calling a dependent submissive "weak".  An "over controlling" Dom is insecure or desperate?  Who should be deciding these things but the couple themselves?  Good luck!

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RE: Dom A or DOm B who would you be with? - 8/31/2007 11:35:56 AM   
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I completely agree with Beth. If I'm not ready for a relationship, I can't, in good conscience, choose A or B.  

I'm hoping she didn't choose either since she's not ready, but did she, in fact, choose one over the other?

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RE: Dom A or DOm B who would you be with? - 8/31/2007 1:04:04 PM   
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She feel she is not quite ready for a relationship and feels she need some time to get your head in order.


On that quote alone - My answer is neither.
 
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RE: Dom A or Dom B who would you be with? - 8/31/2007 3:08:11 PM   
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      If she needs to ask assitance from anyone in making a decision, I would say neither one.  

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RE: Dom A or Dom B who would you be with? - 8/31/2007 3:32:09 PM   
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If we start talking to some one on line then talk on a phone technical we have met them we have just not touched them Just my take

Interesting take. Simple question for you then. If you have never physically met someone ( as in person ), how can you confess to know them well enough to establish whether or not you are compatible? Or do you base your relationships on the surface only?


A valid point. My take is it depends on the individuals I don't really know these people so I am going only by what has been given to me in the OP to answer this Question.

As for your question No I do not base my feelings on the surface. The reasion I don't is not easy to explain but I will try. I personal don't care to much what a person looks like in the beginning. Now in time it is nice to know there is an attraction physically. However I feel for me if I get to know a person on the phone first I am much more likely to not be motivate to overlook something that might make us incompatible because of looks. Lets face it men are much more looks oriented them woman. This is why personally I do feel to some extent before a physical meeting takes place talking to someone on the phone in the beginning I get a better feel for that person without all the Sex and hormones getting in the way. After that if I want to move forward to a real in person meeting I already have a good feel for if that person is sane or insane. Everyone has manorisms and tones that you can hear in there voice and if you pay attention you can get a good feel for who they are at their core based on that and what they tend to talk about most. I do not base my relationships on a physical bond as much as I do a deeper emotional bond. So beginning on the phone to me is an advantage not a disadvantage.

Look at the example for instance. Dom A has shown he is very controlling and insecure by his actions. He is in a rush to make everything final and dose not feel if he lets her continue to talk on line he can hold on to her. He showed a lack of trust. It has been my experience in life if someone dose not trust their potential partner it is because they can not be trusted and are projecting on to the ne relationship that fact. Dom B has shown he is a little more understanding and is willing to get to know each other at whatever passe feels safe to her where she is at. It is true he has mentioned Marriage but maybe he is just someone who has a grand plan when he meets the right person and is just putting it out there.

We can all speculate all we want, the bottom line is there is no set rules in life you sometimes just have to listen to your heart.

Case in point I had some friends who met the day before they where married. This was 60 years ago and things where a little different then but they where married for 45 year until his death and then she never married again because in her mind no one could ever replace him. She told me they met the day before and it was love at first meeting..she was supposed to marry her childhood sweetheart but said as soon as she met him she knew she was making a mistake with the other man.

On the other hand I know a couple who had lived together for 12 years got married and where divorced 2 years later. Again it just goes to show what works for one person may not work for another and it all depends on the two people involved.

Ok I will stop being an armchair Dr Phil now.

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RE: Dom A or Dom B who would you be with? - 8/31/2007 3:42:27 PM   
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Well you see, for some the phrase "over controlling" is not necessarily a sign of insecurity, but one of absolute security, and if both agree, I would say, then that is their decision.


yes but to limit ones access to the outside world and rush into a relationship is a sign of not only insecurity but immaturity

Next thing you know he will have her walking two steps behind him in public, calling to ask permission to go to the bathroom, unable to eat unless told to and or naked chained to a bed at home and folding the toilet paper a certain way waiting for him to get home from work.... Sorry got carried away there

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RE: Dom A or Dom B who would you be with? - 8/31/2007 3:45:10 PM   
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I am going to give my final opinion.........go by your heart and what you share in common.  It's similar to someone calling a dependent submissive "weak".  An "over controlling" Dom is insecure or desperate?  Who should be deciding these things but the couple themselves?  Good luck!


I think the opinions given are based on the facts that in most cases a person who exhibits these actions is in most cases Insecure or desperate so why even take a chance...

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RE: Dom A or DOm B who would you be with? - 8/31/2007 3:54:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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I completely agree with Beth. If I'm not ready for a relationship, I can't, in good conscience, choose A or B.  

I'm hoping she didn't choose either since she's not ready, but did she, in fact, choose one over the other?

Celeste


Ditto.  Fess up!  Don't leave us hanging! 

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RE: Dom A or Dom B who would you be with? - 8/31/2007 3:55:38 PM   
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Dom B in a heartbeat. Dom A sounds like he cannot control himself let alone take on the resposibility to control another. He seems very insecure. Sad really. If she chose Dom A. Please forward Dom B's email. smiles

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RE: Dom A or Dom B who would you be with? - 8/31/2007 4:18:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MstrSkyWoIf

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ORIGINAL: callistein

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If we start talking to some one on line then talk on a phone technical we have met them we have just not touched them Just my take

Interesting take. Simple question for you then. If you have never physically met someone ( as in person ), how can you confess to know them well enough to establish whether or not you are compatible? Or do you base your relationships on the surface only?
 

This is why personally I do feel to some extent before a physical meeting takes place talking to someone on the phone in the beginning I get a better feel for that person. After that if I want to move forward to a real in person meeting I already have a good feel for if that person is sane or insane. Everyone has manorisms and tones that you can hear in there voice and if you pay attention you can get a good feel for who they are at their core based on that and what they tend to talk about most. So beginning on the phone to me is an advantage not a disadvantage. 

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      I agree that phone time is a true advantage to a point.    I believe that it depends on how much phone time a person actually puts in.   You would not necessarily be able to detect a persons core by a few telephone conversations.   You also would not be able to detect if a person were sane or insane based simply on a few phone calls.   I highly doubt a person can detect this over a series of phone calls unless, the other person is very detailed about their feelings, emotions, behaviors, their inner thoughts and even then, how would one know they were being completely honest.  
    I really can not see a person saying, "well sometimes I hear voices,"---"hold just a second my other personality wants to talk now,"...if people have these types of issues (and please do not think for a second that I am poking fun at those who do) it is very doubtful that they are going to come right out and say it even in a serious manner.   Some might but for many there must be a huge level of trust prior to speaking about it.   In case of a mental illness, sometimes, people afflicted with it are good at hiding it simply because of the judgement.
    It is my belief that through a series of phone calls, im conversations, emails and snail mail one can get a basic sense of who the other person is.   Especially if the form of communication is written and refered back to for inconsistancies.   On the flip side, I sincerely believe that in addition to this, face to face is always very important and more than a weekend, more than a few visits here and there at least for me it is.   There are just some things that one can not detect on a phone.  
   Perfect example:   The girl (submissive or vanilla) who meets a man online.   They speak via internet, move to the phone, agree to meet, and date several months.     He is divorced, well off, devoted to his child, owns his home and is in business for himself.   She meets his child, goes to his home, he lavishes her with gifts, treats her in a respectful manner.   She takes the plunge and moves in.   She learns over the course of  a few months in his home, he is not really divorced, he is deeply in debt and his bank account has been in the red for months (thank god for over draft protection), her income exceeds his and she is just over poverty level, his business is Amway and the only way he makes money is when he purchases a bunch of junk from them and he suppliments that income with a disability check, normally he lays around in bed all day flipping the remote while she takes care of the child he was so devoted to, there are 17 other women he is currently speaking to online and meets some of them for casual sex and he has an anger management problem and resorts using his hands to solve his disagreements.   She could NOT have picked this up over the phone, she could NOT have picked this up in several face to face visits to his home, this man could have played out this act for quite sometime without her being the wiser.    The above is a completely true story that happened to an actual person and I know her very well.  

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RE: Dom A or Dom B who would you be with? - 8/31/2007 4:24:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Squeakers

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ORIGINAL: MstrSkyWoIf

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ORIGINAL: callistein

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If we start talking to some one on line then talk on a phone technical we have met them we have just not touched them Just my take

Interesting take. Simple question for you then. If you have never physically met someone ( as in person ), how can you confess to know them well enough to establish whether or not you are compatible? Or do you base your relationships on the surface only?
 

This is why personally I do feel to some extent before a physical meeting takes place talking to someone on the phone in the beginning I get a better feel for that person. After that if I want to move forward to a real in person meeting I already have a good feel for if that person is sane or insane. Everyone has manorisms and tones that you can hear in there voice and if you pay attention you can get a good feel for who they are at their core based on that and what they tend to talk about most. So beginning on the phone to me is an advantage not a disadvantage. 

  *Quote edited to save space*
     I agree that phone time is a true advantage to a point.    I believe that it depends on how much phone time a person actually puts in.   You would not necessarily be able to detect a persons core by a few telephone conversations.   You also would not be able to detect if a person were sane or insane based simply on a few phone calls.   I highly doubt a person can detect this over a series of phone calls unless, the other person is very detailed about their feelings, emotions, behaviors, their inner thoughts and even then, how would one know they were being completely honest.  
   I really can not see a person saying, "well sometimes I hear voices,"---"hold just a second my other personality wants to talk now,"...if people have these types of issues (and please do not think for a second that I am poking fun at those who do) it is very doubtful that they are going to come right out and say it even in a serious manner.   Some might but for many there must be a huge level of trust prior to speaking about it.   In case of a mental illness, sometimes, people afflicted with it are good at hiding it simply because of the judgement.
   It is my belief that through a series of phone calls, im conversations, emails and snail mail one can get a basic sense of who the other person is.   Especially if the form of communication is written and refered back to for inconsistancies.   On the flip side, I sincerely believe that in addition to this, face to face is always very important and more than a weekend, more than a few visits here and there at least for me it is.   There are just some things that one can not detect on a phone.  
  Perfect example:   The girl (submissive or vanilla) who meets a man online.   They speak via internet, move to the phone, agree to meet, and date several months.     He is divorced, well off, devoted to his child, owns his home and is in business for himself.   She meets his child, goes to his home, he lavishes her with gifts, treats her in a respectful manner.   She takes the plunge and moves in.   She learns over the course of  a few months in his home, he is not really divorced, he is deeply in debt and his bank account has been in the red for months (thank god for over draft protection), her income exceeds his and she is just over poverty level, his business is Amway and the only way he makes money is when he purchases a bunch of junk from them and he suppliments that income with a disability check, normally he lays around in bed all day flipping the remote while she takes care of the child he was so devoted to, there are 17 other women he is currently speaking to online and meets some of them for casual sex and he has an anger management problem and resorts using his hands to solve his disagreements.   She could NOT have picked this up over the phone, she could NOT have picked this up in several face to face visits to his home, this man could have played out this act for quite sometime without her being the wiser.    The above is a completely true story that happened to an actual person and I know her very well.  


Squeakers, squeek, squeek squeekums

(that is to say, well said! Poor girl!  I hope things worked good for her in the long run)

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RE: Dom A or Dom B who would you be with? - 8/31/2007 4:38:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Squeakers

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ORIGINAL: MstrSkyWoIf

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ORIGINAL: callistein

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If we start talking to some one on line then talk on a phone technical we have met them we have just not touched them Just my take

Interesting take. Simple question for you then. If you have never physically met someone ( as in person ), how can you confess to know them well enough to establish whether or not you are compatible? Or do you base your relationships on the surface only?
 

This is why personally I do feel to some extent before a physical meeting takes place talking to someone on the phone in the beginning I get a better feel for that person. After that if I want to move forward to a real in person meeting I already have a good feel for if that person is sane or insane. Everyone has manorisms and tones that you can hear in there voice and if you pay attention you can get a good feel for who they are at their core based on that and what they tend to talk about most. So beginning on the phone to me is an advantage not a disadvantage. 

  *Quote edited to save space*
     I agree that phone time is a true advantage to a point.    I believe that it depends on how much phone time a person actually puts in.   You would not necessarily be able to detect a persons core by a few telephone conversations.   You also would not be able to detect if a person were sane or insane based simply on a few phone calls.   I highly doubt a person can detect this over a series of phone calls unless, the other person is very detailed about their feelings, emotions, behaviors, their inner thoughts and even then, how would one know they were being completely honest.  
   I really can not see a person saying, "well sometimes I hear voices,"---"hold just a second my other personality wants to talk now,"...if people have these types of issues (and please do not think for a second that I am poking fun at those who do) it is very doubtful that they are going to come right out and say it even in a serious manner.   Some might but for many there must be a huge level of trust prior to speaking about it.   In case of a mental illness, sometimes, people afflicted with it are good at hiding it simply because of the judgement.
   It is my belief that through a series of phone calls, im conversations, emails and snail mail one can get a basic sense of who the other person is.   Especially if the form of communication is written and refered back to for inconsistancies.   On the flip side, I sincerely believe that in addition to this, face to face is always very important and more than a weekend, more than a few visits here and there at least for me it is.   There are just some things that one can not detect on a phone.  
  Perfect example:   The girl (submissive or vanilla) who meets a man online.   They speak via internet, move to the phone, agree to meet, and date several months.     He is divorced, well off, devoted to his child, owns his home and is in business for himself.   She meets his child, goes to his home, he lavishes her with gifts, treats her in a respectful manner.   She takes the plunge and moves in.   She learns over the course of  a few months in his home, he is not really divorced, he is deeply in debt and his bank account has been in the red for months (thank god for over draft protection), her income exceeds his and she is just over poverty level, his business is Amway and the only way he makes money is when he purchases a bunch of junk from them and he suppliments that income with a disability check, normally he lays around in bed all day flipping the remote while she takes care of the child he was so devoted to, there are 17 other women he is currently speaking to online and meets some of them for casual sex and he has an anger management problem and resorts using his hands to solve his disagreements.   She could NOT have picked this up over the phone, she could NOT have picked this up in several face to face visits to his home, this man could have played out this act for quite sometime without her being the wiser.    The above is a completely true story that happened to an actual person and I know her very well.  


I hope she is ok now... OK I am still not going to say what happend yet. I would hope just for now to keep the posts to a short I would NOT pick Dom ? and this is why and I would pic Dom ? and this is why.

We all know nither is also a choice but she has already chosen one... So based only on what we know what choice would you have made.

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RE: Dom A or Dom B who would you be with? - 8/31/2007 4:42:49 PM   
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I hope she is ok now... OK I am still not going to say what happend yet. I would hope just for now to keep the posts to a short I would NOT pick Dom ? and this is why and I would pic Dom ? and this is why.

We all know nither is also a choice but she has already chosen one... So based only on what we know what choice would you have made.

 
No.  There are not just two options but three.  I would question why you do not see that.
 
A
B
or neither A nor B.
 
You stated she said she was not ready for a relationship.  So why go for A or B?
 
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RE: Dom A or DOm B who would you be with? - 8/31/2007 4:50:36 PM   
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Haven't read any other replies yet....but if I were her I wouldn't choose either of them.  Neither one is really playing with a full deck of cards. 

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RE: Dom A or Dom B who would you be with? - 8/31/2007 4:52:56 PM   
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I hope she is ok now... OK I am still not going to say what happened yet. I would hope just for now to keep the posts to a short I would NOT pick Dom ? and this is why and I would pic Dom ? and this is why.

We all know neither is also a choice but she has already chosen one... So based only on what we know what choice would you have made.

 
No.  There are not just two options but three.  I would question why you do not see that.
 
A
B
or neither A nor B.
 
You stated she said she was not ready for a relationship.  So why go for A or B?
 
Peace
the.dark.

 
That is true what if she chose Dom B because he is more willing to give her time. I see the OP said she was attracted to both.. Or what if she told Dom A slow down or get lost. What if she told them both slow down I like you both and when I am ready if either of you are then still interested we will talk.... there are many more then 3 choices as I see it.

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RE: Dom A or DOm B who would you be with? - 8/31/2007 4:54:33 PM   
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Haven't read any other replies yet....but if I were her I wouldn't choose either of them.  Neither one is really playing with a full deck of cards. 


Why do you think that ....

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RE: Dom A or Dom B who would you be with? - 8/31/2007 5:21:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance


Squeakers, squeek, squeek squeekums

(that is to say, well said! Poor girl!  I hope things worked good for her in the long run)


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I hope she is ok now...
   This story is over seven years old.   She left the jackass, met a online  Dom from Idaho three days later, paid for his airline ticket to sunny California after the first hour of chatting, He arrived with a handcuffs a flogger and one piece of luggage, neither of them made a safe call they just went back to her place, played for two hours then fucked.    Currently they are living in a lavish mansion in Malibu.   The have a entire fully equipt dungeon in the basement and they entertain all of their closest BD/SM friends on weekends.   He teaches caning and electric play in his spare time and she advises heart broken submissives.   The funny part is that he had never had any real time play prior to meeting her but did train 750 slaves online.    Everyone of these slaves is now owned and in a loving relationship with a Master and this man is highly respected for his excellant training of these slaves.   LOL okay that part is all bullshit.
    Really she learned from the experience and moved on.    It all is part of the journey.   Learning, growing and embracing life.  

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RE: Dom A or Dom B who would you be with? - 8/31/2007 6:49:04 PM   
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Squeakers you had me going there for a minute with that story. I am glad to here she is ok. As always life goes on there is no way to stop it. We all make mistakes how we Handel those and learn from them mistakes is what make us who we are. Your friend was very lucky to get out in one piece. She learned and made the correct choice to get out. So she learned a valuable lesson.

Take for example tonight I upset someone very dear to me. I used a phase that to them must have meant something completely different then what it did to me. instead of asking what I meant or letting me explain they just hung up. I sent a message and voice mail on ya-hell and said I was sorry now all I can do is hope they read and listen to them and call back and talk it out. I can not make them call and if they chose to end the relationship over that misunderstanding life will go but there will be an empty space left unfilled and no session will be learned. If they do call back the lesson will be learned and life will go on with the relationship in tact without the void left.

Guess I got a little off subject there... anyway maybe it will help.

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RE: Dom A or Dom B who would you be with? - 8/31/2007 7:24:00 PM   
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I would pick A in hopes of getting earlier dinner reservations due to any alphabetizing that may occur.

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RE: Dom A or Dom B who would you be with? - 8/31/2007 8:01:51 PM   
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Short answer as requested:
Wouldn't go for either. If my head's not ready, then I won't reach the point of having to make a decision like this, because I will bail out sooner on both of them (not fair to either of them).
 
IF my head were ready however... I'd still bail on both and keep looking. DomA has obsessive control freak written in red on his forehead, and DomB seems a little too laid back, and I don't want a long distance relationship, no matter what.

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