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Aimtoplease101 -> RE: What is it with these idiots? (9/2/2007 10:30:35 PM)
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ORIGINAL: BruisedHick
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ORIGINAL: Aimtoplease101
But this is why the mantra in the community is "safe and consensual." Emphasis here on the safe. If you're playing with a licensed surgeon, and really, freely, knowingly want to get this done, hey, they're your balls. Outside the pale, it really is idiocy, hypocrisy or not. Sometimes things aren't black and white, but we can distinguish shades of gray.
First off, the community has no "mantra." You do, and many around you agree with it, but no one has made that our official mantra.
Second, safe is a question of degree. How often do surgeons forget towels inside patients? I would sure as hell check three times to make sure I left nothing inside when I removed your balls, but you may bleed to death.
Third, if a surgeon is willing to cut off your balls for no reason other than you want him to, he is breaking some law for him to not harm a patient. Unless he has serious cause to believe it will benefit you, in which case you may as well go to an official institution to get it done.
So idiocy to endanger yourself without professionals? Knife play without a chef? Diaper play without a babysitter?
Not quite sure of the broader point you make though - I agree that there are shades of gray: I would not want to do it. If you want to , it aint wrong. You seem to think it is black and white: It's idiocy, period.
Know what your getting yourself into, for both parties, and nothing is idiocy.
A definition of community is a set of people with shared interests and values. There may be some people with some similar interests who aren't part of that community. It doesn't negate the community, and "safe, sane and consensual" is a community value in the community in which I play.
[Re the surgeon-- bad example because the medical "community" has its own set of laws and professional ethics-- point taken. But I was using it to refer to acceptable risk. However, take it the level of a legal sex change operation-- that's legal and ethically acceptable once certain psychological tests are passed]
I agree it's not a matter of absolutes-- it's a matter of acceptable degree of risk. No one I play with would let a total amateur, for example, without experience supervision, run a breath play scenario. But with a certain degree of safety and control, it is acceptable, and done.
All a matter of degree-- that's what defines cultures over time.
Good debate though--- one of the topics without an absolute answer.
ATP
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