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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

ehhh I give up. Apparently the point of my rant has gone over the top of some people's heads. And other's just don't care to see it. Done for now.

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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

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ORIGINAL: chellekitty

and we can't consent to our own assult and battery so when ever we ask a dominant to do any sort of impact play, aren't we infact, asking them to do something illegal?

Assault and battery are classified as non-consentual crimes. When someone consents to them they are no longer a crime. That's my interpretation of the law...not everyone's.

And even in consent of this act (castration) it's still considered a medical procedure. Therefoe doing it with or without consent is practicing medicine without a lincense and therefore completely illegal.

And goddamnit I hate when I do that!

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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

I have a rat up my ass (not literally) about intolerance and judgement of others kinks at the moment [:@]
I'll get over it lol. Ive sat on not responding to this thread for a couple of days now to make sure i really did mean what i said and that i wasnt off the cuff ranting -  and i wasn't [:D]

My intolerance here isn't the kink. It's the fact that some s-types are willing to risk the legal well being of a D-type for their fucking fantasies.

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ORIGINAL: sazmira

First off, being stupid or short sighted isn't illegal because stupidity is often in the eye of the beholder. As unbelievably hot as I find this story and the accompanying photos, there's not a thing illegal about it. The only things that would have been illegal would have been if one of them claimed to be a doctor or one of them was forced/coerced into doing it without their consent. http://www.bmezine.com/news/pubring/20050401.html 

Wait... No... It's a bad thing. Unsafe! Insane! Consensual is irrelevant! Quick! Send them to jail! They performed surgury without a license. On each other. With their teeth. And they didn't provide aftercare for each other! ACK!

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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

I have a rat up my ass (not literally) about intolerance and judgement of others kinks at the moment [:@]
I'll get over it lol. Ive sat on not responding to this thread for a couple of days now to make sure i really did mean what i said and that i wasnt off the cuff ranting -  and i wasn't [:D]

My intolerance here isn't the kink. It's the fact that some s-types are willing to risk the legal well being of a D-type for their fucking fantasies.

Those mean ol' submittives, leading those poor ol' dominates astray and getting them arrested... Bad subs, bad. Actually, tops have a responsibility to make sure they aren't playing with moronic whackjob bottoms just like bottoms have a responsibility to make sure they aren't playing with the moronic or psychotic. And should they choose to play with the moronic or the psychotic... Oh well. *shrug*

I understand the drive to protect. I just figure folks are grown up enough to protect themselves. Or they should be, anyway.

The reason I'm rambling and babbling about all this is, I have to wonder where the law comes into play in your OP. The only way a top could get arrested for an extreme body modification is if the bottom sued or pressed charges or the top misrepresented themselves in some way, "No really, I'm a doctor, I am!"  Otherwise people could not, would not be doing any extreme body mods like these: http://www.bmezine.com/service/samples/tour4.html

Consent. It really truly does matter.

If it were me,  I absolutely would do it. If I could be firmly convinced of the seriousness of the person. If I could be firmly convinced of their capability to handle such things. If I could be firmly convinced of the capability of reasoning out the potential pitfalls and long term consequences of the person who wanted such an extreme body modification. Last but not least, I would absolutely do this if I were capable of doing the extreme body modification in as safe a manner as possible. Sadly, I am not convinced of my own abilities to do such things... no matter how panty dripping I find the idea of chomping off someone's finger.

Anyway.

If I had the ability to do of such things, and all that... I would find the best, most airtight bodymod waiver on the planet. I'd have on camera discussions, preaching doom and gloom in my bestest hellfire and brimstone voice about the potential negative consequences and pitfalls. I'd do everything I possibly could to make sure my ass was as covered as it could possibly be.... it still might not give me a get-out-of-jail free card should the bottom decide to have me arrested.

Then again, most judges are people. With that sort of paper trail, and that much documentation, many judges might see two consenting adults, in a consenting act of stupidity wherein BOTH partners were willing to do this stupid thing without any form of coercion, and tell both parties to get the hell out of their courtroom and to quit wasting their time.

I've seen it happen and the annoyance of the judge amuses me crap out of me every time.

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ORIGINAL: laurell3Having been a participant in the criminal system for about 14 years now (no not as a criminal), I can tell you this is mostly wishful thinking and nullification of the law is incredibly uncommon and rarely done by judges, mostly juries and even then incredibly rarely.

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ORIGINAL: sazmira

First off, being stupid or short sighted isn't illegal because stupidity is often in the eye of the beholder. As unbelievably hot as I find this story and the accompanying photos, there's not a thing illegal about it. The only things that would have been illegal would have been if one of them claimed to be a doctor or one of them was forced/coerced into doing it without their consent. http://www.bmezine.com/news/pubring/20050401.html 

Wait... No... It's a bad thing. Unsafe! Insane! Consensual is irrelevant! Quick! Send them to jail! They performed surgury without a license. On each other. With their teeth. And they didn't provide aftercare for each other! ACK!

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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

I have a rat up my ass (not literally) about intolerance and judgement of others kinks at the moment [:@]
I'll get over it lol. Ive sat on not responding to this thread for a couple of days now to make sure i really did mean what i said and that i wasnt off the cuff ranting -  and i wasn't [:D]

My intolerance here isn't the kink. It's the fact that some s-types are willing to risk the legal well being of a D-type for their fucking fantasies.

Those mean ol' submittives, leading those poor ol' dominates astray and getting them arrested... Bad subs, bad. Actually, tops have a responsibility to make sure they aren't playing with moronic whackjob bottoms just like bottoms have a responsibility to make sure they aren't playing with the moronic or psychotic. And should they choose to play with the moronic or the psychotic... Oh well. *shrug*

I understand the drive to protect. I just figure folks are grown up enough to protect themselves. Or they should be, anyway.

The reason I'm rambling and babbling about all this is, I have to wonder where the law comes into play in your OP. The only way a top could get arrested for an extreme body modification is if the bottom sued or pressed charges or the top misrepresented themselves in some way, "No really, I'm a doctor, I am!"  Otherwise people could not, would not be doing any extreme body mods like these: http://www.bmezine.com/service/samples/tour4.html

Consent. It really truly does matter.

If it were me,  I absolutely would do it. If I could be firmly convinced of the seriousness of the person. If I could be firmly convinced of their capability to handle such things. If I could be firmly convinced of the capability of reasoning out the potential pitfalls and long term consequences of the person who wanted such an extreme body modification. Last but not least, I would absolutely do this if I were capable of doing the extreme body modification in as safe a manner as possible. Sadly, I am not convinced of my own abilities to do such things... no matter how panty dripping I find the idea of chomping off someone's finger.

Anyway.

If I had the ability to do of such things, and all that... I would find the best, most airtight bodymod waiver on the planet. I'd have on camera discussions, preaching doom and gloom in my bestest hellfire and brimstone voice about the potential negative consequences and pitfalls. I'd do everything I possibly could to make sure my ass was as covered as it could possibly be.... it still might not give me a get-out-of-jail free card should the bottom decide to have me arrested.

Then again, most judges are people. With that sort of paper trail, and that much documentation, many judges might see two consenting adults, in a consenting act of stupidity wherein BOTH partners were willing to do this stupid thing without any form of coercion, and tell both parties to get the hell out of their courtroom and to quit wasting their time.

I've seen it happen and the annoyance of the judge amuses me crap out of me every time.

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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

I really hate it when I forget to log Her off...anyways

You missed it too.

I'm not bitching about anyone's kink. There's a big difference between letting someone know your kink up front and going out and messaging random women to cut your balls off. One you have a relationship with the woman...because being upfront would mean you have something to be upfront about...there's a relationship at stake...friendship romance sex whatever. The other IS idiocy. It's like walking up to a chick at the mall..."Hi my name is Bob....can you cut my nuts off please?" You just don't do it.

And if you go back and check...since the thread has been fairly dead for a while, Mr.Ressurection, the POINT of the thread was NOT the kink...it was the length a "submissive" is willing to go for their kink. Risking the legal health of a "Dominant" for your kink isn't very "submissive."