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A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/3/2007 10:43:15 AM

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From time to time on this board, the topic of toilet servitude or slavery arises. Some people indulge in it one way or another; most do not. my question is why do you do what you do (or don't why you don't)? Something either encourages you (exercise of power, pure sadism, lust to degrade extremely, desire to be totally "accepted", unparalleld intimacy, etc.) or repels you (health concern, aesthetics, innate revulsion, etc.).

Are you willing to share your reason with others, especially if you have never posted in response to this topic before? Of course, the thoughts of frequent posters are also solicited.

Thank you.

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RE: A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/3/2007 10:48:58 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: toylet

From time to time on this board, the topic of toilet servitude or slavery arises. Some people indulge in it one way or another; most do not. my question is why do you do what you do (or don't why you don't)? Something either encourages you (exercise of power, pure sadism, lust to degrade extremely, desire to be totally "accepted", unparalleld intimacy, etc.) or repels you (health concern, aesthetics, innate revulsion, etc.).

Are you willing to share your reason with others, especially if you have never posted in response to this topic before? Of course, the thoughts of frequent posters are also solicited.

Thank you.

Health and safety are paramount before engaging in any activity. If my health and safety issues cannot be addressed to my satisfaction, then it's an activity I in which I will not participate.

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RE: A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/3/2007 10:49:02 AM

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I don't do scat because of health concerns. Which is fine by Valyraen since he has no interest in it. We don't do watersports because he has no interest in it.

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RE: A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/3/2007 11:00:01 AM

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it simply is "ew" to me. I have nothing beyond that. It simply is gross for me. I have no paramount reasons beyond "ew".

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RE: A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/3/2007 11:05:47 AM

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Same for me... the eeew factor doesn't need further analyzing for me.

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RE: A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/3/2007 11:09:10 AM

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We do what we do cause it makes his Cock hard and it makes me gush. That's really the bottom line. And there's a lot of mental stuff behind that bottom line. It has been one of the vehicles for our increased intimacy. And we both have kink for me doing things which are harder for me to do. This stuff falls in that category. Has nothing to do with degradation or humiliation for me/us.

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RE: A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/3/2007 11:16:13 AM

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Like others have said, it just isn't my thing. One of the many things that fall into the "Fine for others, not for me" category.

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RE: A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/3/2007 11:43:53 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: earthycouple

it simply is "ew" to me. I have nothing beyond that. It simply is gross for me. I have no paramount reasons beyond "ew".

Seconded. Thirded? Whatever it is... It's not for me.

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RE: A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/3/2007 11:52:42 AM

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There really are no health and safety issues among healthy, fluid bonded participants. The "squick" factor is real and most people we have known over the years just don't go there for that reason.

It is not a compulsion with me or even much of an interest... however with one slave it turned out to be a totally bonding experience that was irreplaceable in joining us a Master and slave.... As with most things in bdsm my philosophy is "never say never".

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RE: A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/4/2007 3:19:18 AM

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I am intensely affected by deep humiliation, degradation, debasement, etc... The OP's topic is not a "kink" I would go out and seek by any means, but to feel his power so intensely over me that I feel like nothing more than a mere spec....sends me over the edge every time. Also, I have this weird characteristic of seeking out the most difficult things that I could never, ever do, and then thinking, "Yeah, but would I do it for him???" Next thing I know, I find myself needing to try, and I beg him to take me there so I can face it. Sometimes he lets me, sometimes not, depending on what it is. He happens to love seeing me push myself through extreme difficulties for him, and I happen to have an intense desire to push through extreme difficulties for him, so go figure.

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RE: A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/4/2007 4:40:56 AM

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After more than my fair share of working in hospitals and residential homes for the elderly etc, Rainbow play and scat hold absolutely zero interest for me, there is no way I could feel any eroticism, desire or enjoyment out of it, and I would need to as a Domme, even from a humiliation/degredation angle, its just not happening for me. Watersports? no problem, but scat ...its a bodily function I dont have any desire to play with. But to each their own :)
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RE: A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/4/2007 4:44:13 AM

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Neither is something that I , nor my sub wish to engage it. But if others like it, let them go for it.

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RE: A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/4/2007 6:27:25 AM

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I prefer not to have anyone ingesting pathogens or waste products.

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RE: A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/4/2007 7:22:57 AM

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I haven't been involved in any activities that include scat but the thought of it, in connection with M, doesn't disgust me in the least. In fact I'm quite curious about how I'd feel. I'm curious about ALL the effects he can have on me, my behaviour and feelings.

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RE: A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/4/2007 7:36:03 AM

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I do both because I can handle it and if that is what my Master wants then I am glad and to be honest quite proud I can do these things for him.

I am not as noble as that sounds though as I do have very strong positive reactions to objectification and humiliation in both mental and sexual terms and certainly these types of duties never get mundane. I do not think I could be with a Master who did not indulge frequently in golden showers but could very easily never do scat again.

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RE: A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/4/2007 8:21:21 AM

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It doesn't provoke much from me one way or the other - but I've never really clicked with someone with an interest. I don't do fetishes separated from the context of people. If it was the right thing at the right time I might be interested.

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RE: A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/4/2007 9:37:26 AM

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There are many reasons why I may indulge in the various degrees of messy fun with a serious fluid bonded partner, either as dominant or as submissive. It is too bad but a fact that safe fluid bonding is essential before most of these things are safe to try.

I find that sharing aspects of toilet time with a submissive partner can be a means to enable her to go deeper into submission while I build her trust by very firmly respecting her limits. She can feel the opening of her mind to new and different things while being able to trust that I will not take her too deep for her to handle.

This can be simple things such as needing to ask permission, or needing to have the door open, or needing supervision. With different submissives there are lots of places this may go.

As a submissive, my need to totally Please my fluid bonded deeply connected Mistress includes the need to give Her whatever service She desires, whether I particularly like it or not. If Her need is to do messy play in the rest room, so be it.

I do not seek or like any sort of scat play, giving or getting. If this is a big major need of a sub and she makes me very happy, it could happen that I would grant her some play. If a bonded Dominant loves and wants this, She gets it whatever... my least objection in this area is diaper play which many enjoy, but that is not a need of mine.

I have little objection to any sort of "golden" play, giving or getting, with the fluid bonded partners. The dominant side of giving this can be very enjoyable. The submissive side of getting this is considerably less positive but is within my limits,

Now my own best form of messy bathroom play is my favorite of all messy things. That is much loved whether I am dominant or submissive to the partners I share with, but is rarely available these days.

This is sharing the Sacred moments of a partner's Goddess Flow. I have always loved this since I learned very young how much pure bliss a skilled giver can provide to female partners during this Sacred time.

It can be lovely if a Domme takes me "there" intending humiliation, because this is not a humilitation but a reward I much enjoy.

It can be most sweet if a submissive offers me this. For whatever reason, there are a LOT of dominant and submissive women in the USA for whom this is a harder limit even than other messy sharings. There are also many women who no longer have these special times. But if they can share, I love this.

So, my fetish is not often acted out. And I am OK that this is the way life goes. I have so very much beauty happening in my life, I need not obsess on one thing that is not currently happening.



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RE: A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/4/2007 10:58:36 AM

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Hm, this got me wondering something. Okay, I'll start out saying that water sports and scat don't appeal to me whatsoever, never done them, but I suppose I don't consider them a limit assuming safety concerns are adressed. But as far as a dom using a sub as a toilet, especially for #2, that kind of seems to me that it would be degrading to the dom. Does anyone else feel that way? I mean, we're raised taking that as a very private, not-to-be-discussed and certainly not-to-be-observed thing. If someone walks in on you while you're taking a $hit it is humiliating. I read a war story about it being totally un-honorable to snipe a soldier while they're taking a poo. They had to wait till their pants were up. It is such a vulnerable and icky moment, I assume for most people (but I suppose only speaking directly for myself) that even your own poo icks you out, so to me, letting someone else contact my poo would be especially humiliating. This is all from my pov as a sub, but I think contacting a dom's scat would either be some kind of intimate bonding (maybe, hard to see that), but would in no way reinforce his dominance, possibly even detract from it, because I'd have witnessed his most vulnerable moments and that shameful social stigma of having someone witness/contact it (as in shameful for him to let that happen). Insert your own genders/titles wherever, just using my own pov.

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RE: A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/4/2007 11:07:44 AM

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I do not have much issue with piss play... scat is not interesting to me in any form thank the Gods Master has no interest in either! Although, would I if He wished it??? I am His ... He does with me whatever strikes His fancy does not mean or even matter if I like it or not. I repeat thank the Gods Master has no interest in either.

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RE: A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/4/2007 11:19:13 AM

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I think you hit your answer in your own words, personal POV. To paraphrase a saying I see LA write a lot, imagine something and someone is into it.

Also like most play it is not just an object look at the play but how, when, where, why and who it is being done. Your own POV you treat these things as very personal and only done in terms of necessarily bodily functions. Other’s whether naturally, learned, or based on a fetish can see these types of play in a different light and/or make it into a different situation by all the factors mentioned before.

My experience it can range from humiliation/objectification/degradation to a very intimate thing between two people, from purely sexual or mind play to showing a person how much they care for the other or how much they care for you by doing this for them the differences are between the people and the other factors just like any other kink.

It is a to each their own thing. For most people inflicting pain or grabbing another’s hair and forcing them to their knees would be a shout out for abuse but many of us go yes please but because this type of play has a high ick factor and is consider a normal limit people tend to treat it differently.

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