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RE: cost of 24-7? - 9/3/2007 8:43:56 PM

BoiJen

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Okay lets hear it from your "favorite" (and that could mean you hate me too) boi.

I work. I work just about as many hrs as I can find. I'm also looking at another job. Yes 2 jobs for a boi who does 95% of the chores (cooking, cleaning, household secretary, bill paying and arrangements, pet care, and so on) and you better believe if the only thing I get out of it is my time with Her I'm gonna well get it. If I only sleep 10 hrs out of a week then it's by choice to make Her life easier by taking care of things.

That's why I'm here.

Anybody who told you that slaves don't work...fulltime or otherwise is stupid. And I don't care if you like me or not for saying it.

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RE: cost of 24-7? - 9/3/2007 8:53:46 PM

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Why the fuck should a slave not work? Twiddling around the home doing things that all working people come home and do every day anyway, where is the hardship? Pay your way and stop expecting someone else to provide for you.

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RE: cost of 24-7? - 9/3/2007 9:02:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: free2agoodhome

I have come across a few dominants who say they can't 'afford' a fultime slave unless the slaves brings in $, and holds a 40 hr/week job.

This puzzles me, since for one, when a slave holds a 40hr/week job there is not much time to do other things
At the same time when a slave performs duties these duties dont need to be contracted with strangers, like a cleaning lady ($30 - $40/hr) , personal chef ($40/hr), handy man/plumber/electrician/painter ($40 - $75/hr), Yard maintenance ($25/hr), Doing laundry / dishes etc. so when a slave serves fulltime does the slave not save $ .......where is my logic going wrong?

Or do these dominants just want a slave who besides doing all the work also acts as an atm?

Since most folks aren't independently wealthy, few can afford or WANT to take on the full financial support of one more person in their households. Most of us aren't living the novels, but are working people, day in and day out. We don't have manor houses and full staffs to maintain the grounds and buildings. In my opinion, it's very realistic for any live-in submissive to contribute a portion of his/her income to the household to help cover expenses that go along with his/her living there. I don't believe they should shoulder more of the burden than is proportionate to the expenses they cause. I believe they should also work in order to build a nest egg for the time when they move on. Personally, if I go to work ... every ablebodied adult goes to work.

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RE: cost of 24-7? - 9/3/2007 9:07:37 PM

DiurnalVampire

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ORIGINAL: chickpea
If a dominant can't even afford a few extra hundred a month, they the last thing on their minds should be getting a 24/7 slave??!!! They should work to fix their financial situation... If that can't even gain control of their financial situation (for those able bodied doms) how can they control a sub???????????!!!

My financial situation is quite nicely under control. I do not, however, have a few hundred extra dollars sitting around that I can spend on keeping someone in my home. I prefer to put that money towards savings. If I were to have Angel as a 24/7 live in slave eventually, he will be expected to hold a job. Why? Because a slave's purpose is to make their owners life easier. If by Angel being home all the time would put me out financially, then he is not making my life easier. There is not nearly enough to be done around my home to warrant someone there all the time. The chores are minimal, and we share cooking. I can understand a 24/7 stay at home if there was enough to be done at home to keep them busy. In my situation there really isnt. Why should he get to stay home and relax after finishing a few hours of light work while I am out busting my ass to keep us afloat? If he uses half the food, half the power, half the water and makes half the mess then he is responsible for his half of everything. I am also with many of the others, I want Angel to remain independant on the off chance something ever happens to me, I dont want him so far removed that he cannot take care of himself. I think thats just being irresponsable as a Dominant. Some can provide for their subs in the event something happens, which is fantastic. Most of us cannot, in which case our subs have to be provided for somehow. Easiest way to do that is to let them support themselves.

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RE: cost of 24-7? - 9/3/2007 9:10:42 PM

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My consort contributes to the house, and his money and mine are pooled.

My slave currently tithes a few hundred a month, which increases his sense of service (don't knock it, it's his thing). When he moves in with us, I told him that he must cover his portion of expenses, but instead he has asked to tithe 100% of his money to me, and I will give him a small allowance. Anything beyond that, he must ask for. He has already put aside his retirement fund, so that is not a concern for us.

Personally, I wouldn't have required that much of his earnings, but I do require that he work. I can't think how many times I've had boys approach me to be the other slave I seek, but think they can be kept at home. I work very hard, as do my boys. I expect you to earn your way, and what's unfair about that?

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RE: cost of 24-7? - 9/3/2007 9:20:08 PM

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ORIGINAL: BOUNTYHUNTER

AN interesting question,For me I have as many as I can afford,Having sent 2 thur school.MINE work in their chosen profession,if they didn't I couldn't afford to keep as many as we have...WE own 4 at the moment...bounty

Dear Bounty: If u send me thru school....... I'll submit!

That'll be 7K USD puleeze.......

Huzzah!

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RE: cost of 24-7? - 9/3/2007 9:27:59 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadySeraphina

My consort contributes to the house, and his money and mine are pooled.

My slave currently tithes a few hundred a month, which increases his sense of service (don't knock it, it's his thing). When he moves in with us, I told him that he must cover his portion of expenses, but instead he has asked to tithe 100% of his money to me, and I will give him a small allowance. Anything beyond that, he must ask for. He has already put aside his retirement fund, so that is not a concern for us.

Personally, I wouldn't have required that much of his earnings, but I do require that he work. I can't think how many times I've had boys approach me to be the other slave I seek, but think they can be kept at home. I work very hard, as do my boys. I expect you to earn your way, and what's unfair about that?

Sound right to me!! If your slave has money set aside with which he can recover, should he leave your household, I think that that needs to be done has been done. I also think that your expectation and initial offer was very fair. If he wanted to do more in an effort to find more fulfillment, then that's a different matter. It sounds like it is working for each of you. All best!

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RE: cost of 24-7? - 9/4/2007 5:10:55 AM

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Now see... this is totally different from most that I encounter. They insist that they have to work outside the home... it's a deal breaker otherwise. I DON'T want someone that works outside the home... I don't and I already have one man around the house that does. The idea... as far as I'm concerned, is to have someone that wants to stay home and take care of me, help me around the house with my "projects", work in the yard, clean the pool... that sort of stuff.... Where have you been hiding free2agoodhome?

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RE: cost of 24-7? - 9/4/2007 6:40:55 AM

MsLilac

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I echo most sentiments here, and disagree with your math. Most people don’t have their own chef etc. Seriously, how many people do you know pay for all those kind of services?

But also, what you need to consider is that both walk into that kind of consensual relationship because that is what they want - power inequality. You may think it’s pretty tough not having the ‘owner’ paying for services from sub/slave, but if that is the case, I suggest you go professional in those varying skilled trades. I suspect that you will find professional clients harder to work with, and the work meaningless if you have no real love or respect for the work, or for who you are doing it for.

When I was looking, I was incredibly weary of ‘house husband’ types - it just screams freeloader to me. I would occasionally run across those who (obviously) wanted to be supported, or just to fragile to work, or live in the world. I am not a career option for anybody who decides life is too tough, and thus would be easier to wait at home cleaning during the day and get free kinky sex in the evening! Lol.

But, by contrast, one of my subs is skilled in an area I need help in starting a new business in. Even though he doesn’t want it, if all goes successful, he will earn a percentage.

For me (and others, though not all) one part of the slaves purpose in a Mistress/Master/slave dynamic, is to make their owners life easier. How is he/she doing that if they are causing a financial burden to their owner? Each to their own, but there is no way that I am supporting anybodies ass, been there, done that, didn’t work for me.

If someone is going to enter my household, they at the very least need to be able to match me in terms of finances/assets (which admittedly aint that great, thus not hard), and they had better hold down a job. If someone new enters my household, they will be paying their way, as well as provide service and make my life easier. If slave is doing all of this, then of course, I don’t expect him to hold down a full time job, but I expect him to have a part time job, not least for his future stability if things didn’t work out. I think its about finding the right balance, and I‘m currently playing with those metaphorical scales. I do expect a good percentage of his income to come to me, so I can allocate towards the household, put in savings, etc. I am THE Lady and head of the household, I make all the final decisions regarding everything that goes on within it, that doesn’t stop with fiscal matters just because money it is a sensitive, dirty word for some men.

I am wondering as to your reasoning. Do you expect someone to take you in full time, under an M/s dynamic, and then pay you somwhere around those suggested going rates for everything that you do in service, whilst working in a relaxed environment? Or do you genuinely feel slaves should be paid? I'm not being sarcastic, just genuiely curious.

Also, have you posted this in the 'Ask A Master' forum? Or maybe the genral forum? Why is this specifically adressed to the Dominant Ladies here?

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RE: cost of 24-7? - 9/4/2007 9:17:38 AM

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You know, upkeep of a live-in slave might not be that much, but I tend to float towards the "I want to work a regular job" idea, mainly because a 24/7 rarely involves working 24/7, so there's a lot of downtime, and personally, I'd like to keep myself occupied and useful, not bored and transient. A couple of times I've been 24/7 in the past have both involved circumstances where I didn't work (it was summer during university break) and when I did work. What I discovered was that when I was there all the time without work, I sometimes felt like I wasn't all that useful all the time (I like to be needed and doing something useful). When I was working, I discovered that I wasn't able to be around and be as useful as I'd like. What ended up happening was I found a comfortable medium where I was doing school full time and serving full time. She gave me time to study and I was ALWAYS at her beck and call for whatever needed done. I also discovered she wanted to be with me more often when I was rarely there than when I was always there.

It was outside things that the screwed up the relationship (things you just can't do anything about), but it really did work during the time that it did.

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RE: cost of 24-7? - 9/4/2007 9:31:55 AM

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Count Me in under the "Employment is a requirement" group. Just to be more specific, that can also include full time student, if that is the phase of life a person is in.

Most of the reasons that I base this on have already been stated. Financial contribution to the household being a main factor. I'm married, but want a poly household (eventually), so there's no way My medical is going to cover an additional adult. Couple that with retirement and investment plans, it really is in My submissives best financial interest to have income.

I think littlesarbonn also made an excellent point. I think holding down a job is also good for other aspects that are seperate from financial. I would tend to think that the other factors of holding a job, such as personal accomplishment and social interaction, are also in the best interest of a submissive. It makes them a more well rounded person, and therefore, a more interesting person to have in My life.

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RE: cost of 24-7? - 9/4/2007 9:32:59 AM

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I think when a Domme states she wishes a 24/7 sub/slave who is employed, she just don't want a financial burden. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me - its tough to be a single-income family. Plus I think that fundamentally most women do admire a certain amount of ambition in their partners.

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RE: cost of 24-7? - 9/4/2007 10:51:33 AM

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Like everything else in DS/BD/SM there are as many ways of looking at it as there are players. I have also noticed that a majority of Dominants seem to feel that a potential sub/slave is a loafer if thy don't expect to work outside the house. doesn't this depend upon what both people are looking for?

Many of you say that you don't need someone to do housework, laudrey and other such things. Fair enough. Does this mean that every Domiant feels the same way?

All over the United States and the rest of the world there is a thriving industry of "live-in domestics". I don't remember any scenes on THE BRADY BUNCH where Alice the maid was working at a job outside the Brady house so she could contribute to the family expenses. I think we all assumed that Alice was paid a salary by Mike and Carol.

We all know that there are a lot of flakes out there and I'm sure most sub/slaves that are looking to be kept 24/7 are not very good housekeepers. What about the ones who are? I don't know what it costs to hire a live-in housekeeper but I'm sure it's at least a couple of hundred a week. I'm pretty sure that the live-in housekeeper will be owed time off at the end of the day, days off, vacations and considerably more atonomy then a slave. The housekeeper from the agency will not be kneeling before you, kissing your shoes, rubbing your back or massaging your feet.

It's actually concievable to hire a live-in housekeeper/masseuse but how much would that be? Let's see. How much is a massage for an hour? How much more would it cost to have a live-in masseuse at your beck and call 24/7?

If a slave seeking 24/7 can actual perform housework and massage at a proffesional level, he/she is offering a service that would normally be very expensive. You don't want that kind of service? Fine. There are plenty of people, mostly vanilla I might add, who do. Why be critical of someone who is offering a serive for free that people all over the world pay good money for?

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RE: cost of 24-7? - 9/4/2007 10:58:26 AM

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::scuse me::

It would appear to me that a submissive who wants to be compensated to clean a house or massag a dominant, is not even submissive. it's more like a pro sub who is prostituting himself out, like the pro doministrix does. doesnt the reward for a submissive come from serving? I would have to venture and say that if a sub has no inner need to "do for" another but instead only wants to be compensated or live for free, is he really a submissive?

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RE: cost of 24-7? - 9/4/2007 11:45:08 AM

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Great topic!
   I've been chewing at this for a while now, since I too am seeking a larger household - to add fun, useful personalities with their own skills and talants.
Seeing the "looking for a Domme for 24/7", I needed to understand what these boys and girls really want. Knowing what it is that -I- want is clear to Me, so maybe for them, it is an unspoken "of course i will be a stay at home slave."

Agreeing completely with Lady Pact and the delightfull littlesarbonn "who also made an excellent point.
I think holding down a job is also good for other aspects that are seperate from financial. I would tend to think that the other factors of holding a job, such as personal accomplishment and social interaction, are also in the best interest of a submissive. It makes them a more well rounded person, and therefore, a more interesting person to have in My life."

   Seems that negotiations must have that stated even at first contact, yet I see that sometimes the nuts & bolts of what is going to hold the situation/relationship together is saddly assumed.
    My expectation is at least a part time job for each addition to My household, part tiem school or full time school is up to them. I am currently full time student, inbetween part tiem employment/internship/
   Tough enough to keep every thing running steady on My own- if I accepted another into My Dimension they would certainly be a HELP to Me, as well as paying their own bills, savings & medical.

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RE: cost of 24-7? - 9/4/2007 11:47:31 AM

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Even in a vanilla relationship I would expect to pay half of the expenses, and do at least half of the chores, assuming it was just her and I. When I was working, i worked between 55 and 60 hours a week, and still kept the house and vehicles cleaned. I believe many people work and maintain the household as well. As a slave, I would expect to surrender my income, minus necessary expenses, insurance, etc. The one advantage to being an older sub/slave, is if your retired, you can be home to serve, but still contribute financially. I usually fantasize, or expect, to work as well, to provide additional income for her pleasure, and still serve her at home. This not in reply to anyone in particular, I still haven't figured out how that works.

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RE: cost of 24-7? - 9/4/2007 11:50:34 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DivineDarkDiva

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadySeraphina

My consort contributes to the house, and his money and mine are pooled.

My slave currently tithes a few hundred a month, which increases his sense of service (don't knock it, it's his thing). When he moves in with us, I told him that he must cover his portion of expenses, but instead he has asked to tithe 100% of his money to me, and I will give him a small allowance. Anything beyond that, he must ask for. He has already put aside his retirement fund, so that is not a concern for us.

Personally, I wouldn't have required that much of his earnings, but I do require that he work. I can't think how many times I've had boys approach me to be the other slave I seek, but think they can be kept at home. I work very hard, as do my boys. I expect you to earn your way, and what's unfair about that?

Sound right to me!! If your slave has money set aside with which he can recover, should he leave your household, I think that that needs to be done has been done. I also think that your expectation and initial offer was very fair. If he wanted to do more in an effort to find more fulfillment, then that's a different matter. It sounds like it is working for each of you. All best!

Thank you, my dear! Yes, it was very important to us that he had both his old age planned for, as well as the ability to 'bounce back' should something happen to me, or the relationship.

Be well.

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RE: cost of 24-7? - 9/4/2007 4:13:00 PM

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i lived with my ex Mistress for 3 years. i worked the whole time, because i have bills and i like to pay them. She could not have supported both of us, and there is absolutely no reason why she should have to. As far as not having a lot of time to do things, well that's part of life, and we always managed to find time to go out and have fun.

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RE: cost of 24-7? - 9/4/2007 4:31:42 PM

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ORIGINAL: chickpea

First, I think that a 24/7 slave will probably not cost more than a few more hundred a month (slaves can sleep in the same bed and use the same bathroom, and only require food as a bare bones expense).

My car payment was more than "a few more hundred a month"....add in food, clothing, medical insurance, and all the other crap that comes with life and it's a lot more than a few hundred. Now certainly, had she wanted me to stay home, i am sure we could have figured it out. But we prefered to take the extra money we had and go to events like Black Rose and Leather Retreat, rather than using it so i could sit home all day and not work. Dual income can have nice advantages and nice vacations are one of them.

And when you get right down to it why should someone have to support my azz, when i am fully capable of supporting it myself. Maybe that's what some are looking for. Another mentioned sugar daddies and i have met some, who's only goal in life, is to find a rich man. That just doesn't interest me, i'd rather work.

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RE: cost of 24-7? - 9/4/2007 4:35:31 PM

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Dear free2agoodhome, Ladies and Gentlemen;

If one is passing themselves off as a slave and bemoans the fact that it is all about the money-- I would have to go back to the sayings of General George S. Patton ... "If you do not act like a soldier, dress like a soldier--how can you expect them to fight like a soldier?"

Being a slave is not about the money--it is about the relationship. Money helps, however money hasn't bought happiness--unless that happiness is in 'stuff' you can buy. If you cannot see beyond the money -- then it is your loss.

Another saying, "Nothing is free--even when it is a give away." Perhaps the only exception would be a pet rock.

Just some thoughts.

Respectfully submitted with a bit of wit,
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