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Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/4/2007 11:15:51 PM

Owner59

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mTj33oepkQ

The "Debt Clock" in NYC is running out of digits to count debt.

Every American will owe 28 thousand bucks, a piece.

By the end of bush`s term,we`ll be in Ten Trillion dollars worth of debt.That`s trillion w/ a "T"

Thanks, neo-con ass holes .......

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http://blog.dsquarednetworks.com/category/politics/

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/06/16/politics/main2939036.shtml

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RE: Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/5/2007 7:01:44 AM

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Thanks, neo-con ass holes .......

Weird, we have not heard FirmHandKY weigh in on to cheer for the prosperity the Neo-Cons have brought
to the United States.

I cannot wait to see his lucid analysis of how tripling the debt load in 6 years is a positive benefit to the economy.

Sinergy

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RE: Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/5/2007 7:52:44 AM

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http://carriedaway.blogs.com/carried_away/2003/10/us_government_s.html

Look at any chart that compares GDP and governement spending. Republicans always spend more than Democrats.

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RE: Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/5/2007 11:38:13 AM

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Remember when you look at that chart that Congress spends money and passes the budget, not the President.

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RE: Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/5/2007 11:52:20 AM

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I have new friend where I started working who is older and a right wing apologist. I always mention in my lifetime the only fiscal responsible President was Clinton. No amount of Republican twisted logic can account for it by some lame excuses that out of the last twenty-eight years come 2009; twenty were under a Republican President.

How in the hell did the Republicans get the corner that they are the fiscal responsible ones?

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RE: Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/5/2007 12:02:51 PM

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How in the hell did the Republicans get the corner that they are the fiscal responsible ones?

Perception trumps reality.

Listen to any talk radio program and here them mouth each other's lies often enough until the drones who listen to it believe it and repeat them to other people.

Sinergy

p.s. For the person who pointed out that Congress spends more money, this is true, and 2/3 of our total debt was amassed in 6 years by a Republican Congress.

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RE: Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/5/2007 5:34:55 PM

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I didn't say they spent more money, I said they write the budgets, and they do. Look at Micheals chart, from 1931 - 1995 the democrats controlled the House 100% of the time, where all spending originates. And they controlled the Senate almost all of that time. And the debt went up in a nice generally even line, except for ww2 where it was higher as a % of GDP than now. When the Reps took congress in the 90s, it started to go down. then in 2000 it started up again. Not in the least because of the massive arms buildup that started after Khobar and the Cole, ie the begining of the "War on Terrorism", Clintons term for bombing Sudan, Afghanistan, and Iraq. And 911 was major hit on the economy, and very expensive. Post 911 has been a huge increase on the debt, no doubt about it. and the Republicans have undeniably lost some of thier credentials of "fiscal restraint". Most Democratic candidates however are proposing to spend more, increasing it even more, so they still get the mantle. And of course the voters get the final say.....we shall see in 08.

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RE: Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/7/2007 1:44:16 PM

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

Weird, we have not heard FirmhandKY weigh in on to cheer for the prosperity the Neo-Cons have brought to the United States.

I cannot wait to see his lucid analysis of how tripling the debt load in 6 years is a positive benefit to the economy.

Sinergy

I'll be sure to let him know that you miss him.

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RE: Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/7/2007 2:41:00 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

Weird, we have not heard FirmhandKY weigh in on to cheer for the prosperity the Neo-Cons have brought to the United States.

I cannot wait to see his lucid analysis of how tripling the debt load in 6 years is a positive benefit to the economy.

Sinergy

I'll be sure to let him know that you miss him.

hubba hubba!! What a nice new photo!!

Sinergy just can't get over me, I think. I was one of the few posters that actually took him serious ... for a while.

My mistake.

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RE: Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/7/2007 3:03:36 PM

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Owner and others you have put your fingers on a very odd truth. The more economically right wing and fiscally responsible you are in opposition the more you are likely to escalate public expenditure beyond that which can be reasonably financed by tax when in government... hence public debt goes thru' the roof.

Thatcher did exactly the same in the UK.

Even Firmhand was stuck fo an explanation lol

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RE: Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/7/2007 3:06:31 PM

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Technically the government shrank under Reagan. The debt only went up because he flooded the military budget, and foreign military aid, in an attempt to bankrupt the Soviet Union.

So it is kind of a different situation for Reagan. He had a reason and a plan for running a deficit. Bush I and II however really didn't have much reason to show as big of a deficit as they had.

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RE: Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/7/2007 3:42:18 PM

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What you people don't understand is that there's good debt and bad debt. The economics behind it gets a little complicated, but basically if it's a Republican then it's good debt, and if it's a Democrat it's bad debt.

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RE: Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/7/2007 3:45:20 PM

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Remember when you look at that chart that Congress spends money and passes the budget, not the President.

It makes no difference..if he doesn't like anything- he vetoes it or does a signature statement. It's a no win situation unless the Congress does EXACTLY what el Presidente wants.

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RE: Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/7/2007 3:48:49 PM

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Did someone say "el Presidente"?

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It's a no win situation unless the Congress does EXACTLY what el Presidente wants.

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RE: Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/7/2007 8:00:35 PM

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hubba hubba!! What a nice new photo!!

Sinergy just can't get over me, I think. I was one of the few posters that actually took him serious ... for a while.

My mistake.

Firm

*blushes* Why thank you, my love. I had a good photographer.

Mistakes happen, dear... but I can't blame him for being enamored by your attentions.

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Did someone say "el Presidente"?

Why does it feel wrong that, as he is a complete stranger on a message board, I know not only that LaM's nine inch cock is curved, but that it is also referred to as "el Presidente"?

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RE: Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/7/2007 10:13:10 PM

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I have new friend where I started working who is older and a right wing apologist. I always mention in my lifetime the only fiscal responsible President was Clinton. No amount of Republican twisted logic can account for it by some lame excuses that out of the last twenty-eight years come 2009; twenty were under a Republican President.

How in the hell did the Republicans get the corner that they are the fiscal responsible ones?

You do realize that Mr. Clinton also was around during the "internet stock" boom, that turned into a horrible fizzle. By the end of his Presidency the economy was cooling off rapidly. My professor who loved the guy, and taught a class about the presidents, pretty much said his economy was more a fashion of luck then of his ability to be fiscally responsible. She didn't discredit waht he did, but stated that most finacial experts believer if he hadn't been at the right place at the right time he wouldn't have seen the decent economy. Which is represented in the plumet at the end of his presidency.

I haven't done much research into Bush W because of all the ignorant animocity, even if you pull out data and slap someone in the face they still will refuse things. I can't say if hes great, lucky, or terrible, but after the Clinton fall, and 9/11 the economy came back up and unemployment was/is pretty damn low. As for the deficet I can't say, and I am willing to guess we will find out from historians.

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RE: Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/7/2007 10:44:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

Weird, we have not heard FirmhandKY weigh in on to cheer for the prosperity the Neo-Cons have brought to the United States.

I cannot wait to see his lucid analysis of how tripling the debt load in 6 years is a positive benefit to the economy.

Sinergy

I'll be sure to let him know that you miss him.

hubba hubba!! What a nice new photo!!

Sinergy just can't get over me, I think. I was one of the few posters that actually took him serious ... for a while.

My mistake.

Firm

Thank you for that lucid non answer.

Sinergy

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RE: Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/7/2007 10:54:16 PM

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Oh good lord, someone really needs to wipe out the US educational system and start over from scratch using
private schools and vouchers. Then they could have their students do crazy shit like actually read the US constitition,
and when they have questions about what so and so means they could read what some of the founding fathers were thinking
by reading the federalist papers.

The US congress controls all spending. End of story. The president presents a budget which if congress is controlled
by the other party is dead on arrival (all of reagan's terms, all of bush seniors terms).

The debt load as percentage of National GDP is getting smaller. Of course in ten years the current social security system
will either bankrupt us all or make everyone under 40 virtual slaves.

*Everytime* taxes have been lowered in this country, gross tax revenue has increased. That last statement is fact whether
anyone likes it or not. But of course, "Making the rich pay their fair share" is *oh* so much more emotionally satisfying.

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RE: Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/7/2007 10:58:57 PM

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Lucky, what you wrote made a lot of sense, assuming your grasp of history is shallow enough that you don't bother letting any facts get in the way.

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I didn't say they spent more money, I said they write the budgets, and they do. Look at Micheals chart, from 1931 - 1995 the democrats controlled the House 100% of the time, where all spending originates. And they controlled the Senate almost all of that time. And the debt went up in a nice generally even line, except for ww2 where it was higher as a % of GDP than now.

Okay, now listen slowly. The chart doesn't display debt, it displays spending. So you can't understand the chart I am using but you are still a firm believer in "your" side. Not a chance they fooled you eh?

Try reading this chart, THIS one covers debt, notice how are level of debt explodes as Raygun takes office? Aren't actual facts just inconvenient as all hell?

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/faq.html

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Not in the least because of the massive arms buildup that started after Khobar and the Cole, ie the begining of the "War on Terrorism", Clintons term for bombing Sudan, Afghanistan, and Iraq.

It was the military built up under Clinton that Bush II is destroying. What I find so sad is that Republicans are still stupid enough to whine about Clinton bombing terrorists. Guys, you switched stories, now he DIDN'T do enough remember? Don't forget to keep your bullshit stories straight because it helps fool those who are even more stupid.

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Post 911 has been a huge increase on the debt, no doubt about it. and the Republicans have undeniably lost some of thier credentials of "fiscal restraint".

Some? What the fuck would they have to lose a lot? I mean the congress voted for massive subsidies to big oil in the same periods they were reporting record profits! They were trying to build billion dollar bridges for 12 people in Alaska? Would they have had to wallpaper their yahts with $100 bills or would they only lose your respect if they burned them for fuel?

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Most Democratic candidates however are proposing to spend more, increasing it even more, so they still get the mantle.

Republicans spent without paying, the definition of fiscal irresponsibility. Democrats are talking about repealing multi billion dollar giveaways to oil companies reporting record profits and repealing some of Bush's tax cuts to the rich. THAT is the exact definition of fiscal responsibility, pay for what you spend. You can argue you don't like HOW they are spending it but you sure as fuck can't whine it is irresponsible spending after the last eight years of Republicans spending like drunken sailors with a stolen credit card.

Oh, and the KY twins. Flirting with each other is one thing, boasting to each other about each other is just gross.

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RE: Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/7/2007 11:06:19 PM

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I see you've been paying attention!

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Did someone say "el Presidente"?

Why does it feel wrong that, as he is a complete stranger on a message board, I know not only that LaM's nine inch cock is curved, but that it is also referred to as "el Presidente"?

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