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RE: Whips and 'Accidents' - 9/6/2007 8:25:36 PM

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RE: Whips and 'Accidents' - 9/6/2007 8:32:54 PM

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FR: I have seen serious accidents occur with single tail whips. At a now fortunately closed dungeon in Chicago, there seemed to be something bad every Saturday night, and REALLY bad every month. I stopped going (the cigarette smoke and the really nasty unclean equipment actually got to me more than the newbies) but before I stopped I saw someone who had apparently handled a whip before, but was a complete novice to whipping a person, pick up a nylon braided cowwhip with a Kelvar cracker (meant ONLY to pop and cut targets), and take it to some poor girl. Before he realized what he was doing (and one of the DMs stopped him) he'd opened up several fairly deep cuts on her thighs and ass. Had they been lower (near an artery or vein) things would have been really ugly. I've also seen an inexperienced person with a whip slice an ear almost off...that bled forever and needed a hospital trip.

The worst whip accident I've ever seen, actually, was not a single tail, but instead a fairly gentle nylon rope flogger. The moron put his flogger down on a table to tease his "victim" with a feather or something, and then picked it up and slammed it into her....not realizing that when he'd put it down, he'd put it over a Wartenburg wheel which had been left out on the table, and the fairly heavy, sharp tool got ensnared in the tresses of the flogger. Her scream was pretty much something you never want to hear, and I understand the resulting scar is still visible.

I'd sum this up with "Lets be careful (and smart) out there!"

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RE: Whips and 'Accidents' - 9/6/2007 8:38:30 PM

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It does amuse me how the modern het kinky crowd hates dirty/wet/nasty and wants all their "dark kink" play to be sanitized and fresh vs the homo crowd, specially older homo crowd where dirt and mess was part and partial of the kinky scene itself.

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RE: Whips and 'Accidents' - 9/6/2007 8:40:56 PM

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the crack of a whip is a miniature sonic boom when the tip crosses the sound barrier. anything moving that fast can do some real damage

At the rodeo we attended last week there was a half time show involving a bull whip (the "one armed bandit" for those that know rodeo) and the announcer said the tip travels at over 750 mph.

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RE: Whips and 'Accidents' - 9/6/2007 8:46:36 PM

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It does amuse me how the modern het kinky crowd hates dirty/wet/nasty and wants all their "dark kink" play to be sanitized and fresh vs the homo crowd, specially older homo crowd where dirt and mess was part and partial of the kinky scene itself.

The idea behind a clean, sanitary dungeon is the whole "Live to play another day" . All of the transmittable dieases out there common sense is to keep it clean. Come on, geez, this isnt 1980 anymore

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RE: Whips and 'Accidents' - 9/6/2007 8:53:56 PM

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

It does amuse me how the modern het kinky crowd hates dirty/wet/nasty and wants all their "dark kink" play to be sanitized and fresh vs the homo crowd, specially older homo crowd where dirt and mess was part and partial of the kinky scene itself.

I guess I'm not part of the modern, het, kinky crowd since I wrote a journal entry (two days ago I believe) about this very issue.

I don't quite get what amuses you about it, but, different strokes. ::shrugs::

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RE: Whips and 'Accidents' - 9/6/2007 8:54:38 PM

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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Pertinent to this discussion and already posted on the under 30's thread.

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Thanks Celeste, Robert Dante is certainly an authority on whips. I have never gotten the opportunity to attend one of his presentations...but it is certainly on my "To Do" list.

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RE: Whips and 'Accidents' - 9/6/2007 8:57:24 PM

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I've used horse whisperer training, but have also used the Bull Whip and the single tail whip many a time while ring training the three horses I used to own. I would envision exactly where I my tail would land, and mark it there. Never on the horse. That wasn't the intent. And while the whole whipping process excites me very much and while I have whipped in S/M scenes, I'm pretty mild, since I don't like leaving marks....
I think marksmanship has its virtues.

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RE: Whips and 'Accidents' - 9/6/2007 9:21:18 PM

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It does amuse me how the modern het kinky crowd hates dirty/wet/nasty and wants all their "dark kink" play to be sanitized and fresh vs the homo crowd, specially older homo crowd where dirt and mess was part and partial of the kinky scene itself.

Sign of the times. The older crowd hadn't been exposed to a lot of publicity about AIDS, Hep C, Herpes, et cetera. Whether the actual risks are greater or not, the modern crowd is definitely more aware of them.

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RE: Whips and 'Accidents' - 9/6/2007 9:31:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

It does amuse me how the modern het kinky crowd hates dirty/wet/nasty and wants all their "dark kink" play to be sanitized and fresh vs the homo crowd, specially older homo crowd where dirt and mess was part and partial of the kinky scene itself.

Dont forget the cum and piss that kept the walls glued together in the Leather bars.

The more historically accurate information and pictures that I read and see about the "good ole days" just increases my opinion that the "good ole days" werent really all that good.

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RE: Whips and 'Accidents' - 9/7/2007 5:57:52 AM

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Ive never witnessed a single tail do any direct severe damage to a person...but I did watch someone using a rather long whip in a bar swing back, manage to wrap the whip around a stage light, and rip the light out of the ceiling, bringing it down to the ground to shatter everyone nearby with extreamly hot shards of glass. That night involved two trips to the ER...one persons vision in one eye will probably never recover.

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RE: Whips and 'Accidents' - 9/7/2007 6:52:26 AM

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A friend owns a horse blind in one eye, due to a whip. If you can take out a horse's eye, you can do the same to a person.

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RE: Whips and 'Accidents' - 9/7/2007 8:12:04 AM

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I've never seen an accident with a single tail that caused any serious damage. All of the accidents I've seen were pretty mild (by pure luck) - just a small welt. But there are a couple of very heavy whip players at the local club who get their backs litterally sliced open repeatedly. And not just a few slices per scene, but their entire backs. The resulting scars look like something out of a slavery movie. I haven't seen any of them require medical attention, but the cuts do bleed and they can be quite deep. There is no way anyone is going to convince me that an errant hit with a single tail doesn't have the potential to do serious damage regardless of where it hits. You might as well try to convince me that a surgeon's scalpel won't break the skin.

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RE: Whips and 'Accidents' - 9/7/2007 8:38:57 AM

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The more I think about the comment.. the more disgusted I am with the complete stupidity of the comment.

I consider such a comment to fall into the catagory of either "Criminal Stupidity' or "Felony level cluelessness."

and even thou I said I was done with the under 30 thread... I had to go and see who would make such a stupid comment...

I may well have to go do that myself, but as a newbie to this forum I'm attempting to resist, as I try to base my opinions of those I meet in online forums on numerous posts, and not in haste. Reading something like that would definitely derail the process. Eventually I'll go look to see if I've come to the same conclusion about that poster that I would have if I'd based the opinion on that single post.

anyways... I am glad that you addressed the comments in the thread... I am glad that Elegant started this thread..... I am glad that anyone sees such out right stupidity calls them on it....

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RE: Whips and 'Accidents' - 9/7/2007 8:49:23 AM

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Some people seem like an accident every time they play.

Don't know why they do it-but probably should just stop.

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RE: Whips and 'Accidents' - 9/7/2007 8:54:22 AM

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Honestly, I really get tired of hearing about how dangerous sex-play can be. Yes, it can be dangerous. We know that. But shoveling snow can be dangerous too. When people start harping on how dangerous BDSM can be, you get the feeling that they're really just pumping up their own egos. Be impressed, for I am a True Dom. I hold a sub's very life in my hands when I tie her up and flog her.

Please. That kind of talk may give you a rush, but it doesn't change the fact that people are more likely to be injured in a parking lot than by a singletail.

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RE: Whips and 'Accidents' - 9/7/2007 9:00:09 AM

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Lordandmaster...thank you.

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RE: Whips and 'Accidents' - 9/7/2007 9:01:43 AM

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I've not seen an accident happen but have seen the result. I met a guy with a scar as wide as my pinkie finger and from just below his shoulder blade to just above his hip. It had been done five years earlier with a single tail. Someone who feels that you can not cause an accident bad enough to go to the emergency room with a single tail either doesn't care much about their subs or hasn't been around many people who use a single tail!

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RE: Whips and 'Accidents' - 9/7/2007 9:08:14 AM

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Honestly, I really get tired of hearing about how dangerous sex-play can be. Yes, it can be dangerous. We know that. But shoveling snow can be dangerous too. When people start harping on how dangerous BDSM can be, you get the feeling that they're really just pumping up their own egos. Be impressed, for I am a True Dom. I hold a sub's very life in my hands when I tie her up and flog her.

I can see that point

Please. That kind of talk may give you a rush, but it doesn't change the fact that people are more likely to be injured in a parking lot than by a singletail.

There is a problem with your logic there. The only reason I can see for injury in a parking lot to be more common has nothnig to do with the inherent dangers of parking lots or singletails, but rather with frequency of opportunity for mishap. If you want to have a valid comparison, you'd have to use injury rates. Just what percentage of drives through a parking lot result in injury? In serious injury? What percentage of scenes utilizing a single tail result in injury? In serious injury? Unless you have a reasonable basis of comparison, you are talking apples to oranges.

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RE: Whips and 'Accidents' - 9/7/2007 9:12:36 AM

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Thin the fucking herd....It would be nice if a single tail could cause death or at least render the whippee to become sterile....A person so stupid to let someone without a brain to whip them deserves nothing less...And jail would be waiting for the one who held the whip....It would be the perfect ending to a lovely day.

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