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50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? - 9/8/2007 10:35:46 AM   
e01n


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Me, I see it as playing with gender roles - especially where it's MaleSub/FemDom... kind of has some appeal to me...

But...

What separates it from the "Victorian" version? Or other eras? What makes it distinct for you?

And of course: do you play this? what do you like/not like about it?
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RE: 50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? - 9/8/2007 10:39:31 AM   
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outfits and props

dislike:

the 50's concept of ":Lady" - the asexuality of the woman in the sexual denial role. Boozy tattooed rockabilly dame with rolling pin discipline cuckolding him all over - hot. June cleaver, hairbrush, apron on her naughty boy, spankings for erections - not.


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RE: 50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? - 9/8/2007 11:52:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm a historian and have a lot of research (primary and secondary) on what's come to be thought of as the "50's family."  I don't like the way its so painfully misunderstood by the majority of the population.  For most people, the 50's family had little resemblance to the television, Father's Knows Best version.  We all have our pet peeves.  Thats one of mine.

(I'm answering the question in the thread title, not in the body of the op. lol)


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RE: 50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? - 9/8/2007 12:46:15 PM   
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I'm a historian and have a lot of research (primary and secondary) on what's come to be thought of as the "50's family."  I don't like the way its so painfully misunderstood by the majority of the population.  For most people, the 50's family had little resemblance to the television, Father's Knows Best version.  We all have our pet peeves.  Thats one of mine.

(I'm answering the question in the thread title, not in the body of the op. lol)



It's true. The majority of working class women ---worked. For one thing.
But I don't think that's the fantasy, any more than "Oliver Twist" is the Victorian style of SM. :)


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RE: 50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? - 9/8/2007 1:05:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Good grief yes!  Leave it to beaver, father knows best ect was hollywoods ideal and not the norm.  It might as well have been a cartoon.. hmm.. come to think of it even the cartoons were like that.   My mom did stay home until the mid sixties, but I can tell you she wasn't happy until she went to work.  Valium was routinely prescribed to unhappy homemakers.  HMMM... maybe that is why June Cleaver always seemed two bricks shy of a load.
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RE: 50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? - 9/8/2007 1:10:09 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: gypsygrl

I'm a historian and have a lot of research (primary and secondary) on what's come to be thought of as the "50's family." I don't like the way its so painfully misunderstood by the majority of the population. For most people, the 50's family had little resemblance to the television, Father's Knows Best version. We all have our pet peeves. Thats one of mine.

(I'm answering the question in the thread title, not in the body of the op. lol)



Totally get behind your pet peeve, gypsygrl. I react the same way when ancient "history" is tossed around.

I wasn't alive in the 1950s but my parents and my siblings were and their house in almost on way resembled the stereotypes of pop culture.

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RE: 50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? - 9/8/2007 1:22:46 PM   
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RE: 50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? - 9/8/2007 1:44:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		….50's household: what do I like about it?

If I may have in put…
It is the fantasy of that was portrayed of the 50’s family that I find appealing. The fantasy of the “female who did the homemaking”

This may sound odd, but I derive pleasure in making sure that the home is a safe and comfortable place for my spouse to come home to. Add power exchange into the life style, and I think I would have found heaven.

In all realities, I am sure the lower and middle classes did not have the “Leave it to Beaver”/”1950’s” life style. Likely then as now, the stay at home “homemaker was reserved for the wealthier people of the times.

I was not born during that era, nor do I really have any connections with people of that era, so, I can’t say what those families did or did not do.

….50's household: what don’t I like about it?

I don’t like that our society is conditioned to believe that the role is gender based, as I am a male sub, I wish it was I could be the home maker. It’s hard to find a female that can over come all the conditioning of western society, to have her spouse stay at home.

The typical believe is often a male would be considered a freeloader, if he stays at home, to be the home maker.

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RE: 50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? - 9/8/2007 1:49:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: gypsygrl

I'm a historian and have a lot of research (primary and secondary) on what's come to be thought of as the "50's family."  I don't like the way its so painfully misunderstood by the majority of the population.  For most people, the 50's family had little resemblance to the television, Father's Knows Best version.  We all have our pet peeves.  Thats one of mine.

(I'm answering the question in the thread title, not in the body of the op. lol)



I think we can appreciate your peeve even as we note that enjoyment of a 50's fetish needn't be have an accurate historical basis any more than a pony-play thing requires actual hooves.

That said, I'd like to know more about your findings and about whether the account you take to be historically accurate is grist for any of your own kinky considerations.

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RE: 50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? - 9/8/2007 2:15:53 PM   
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RE: 50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? - 9/8/2007 2:30:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		as far as the glossy tv ideal goes ... happy female homemaker, strong male bead winner .. traditional gender roles etc etc
well that is what i grew up with .. and i am only 23 .. for me that kind of ideal was the reality. I know that our big family, our stability and happinnes stemmed from and  centred around the home my mother made for us with what my father provided for us.

sure eventually my mother got herself first a part time and then a full time job (after i - the youngest - was at high school) carrying on her career from before she had kids .. and ok so my dad had the kind of job where mum could stay at home and didn't need to work. I would be stupid to believe that there was no struggle or occassional discomfort in the roles they lived in .. but hell .. it would be odd if there were not.

For me, whether it be in an Ms or vannilla setting, i want that for my family when i have one. I dont plan to have kids if/until can stay at home to care for them, and i certainly intend to make sure that my career doesn't stop me from being a homemaker. I am watching my sister crucify herself with unhappiness and stress tyring to hold together running a home, a high powered career and a 10 month old baby. Even with the complete support of her husband she is being torn in too many directions. I know i would never want to, nor would be able to live my family life like that. I know what would make me happy is filling the homemaker role I saw my mother fill, even to this day she says the happiest she has ever been was carig for us all and being the stay-at-home wife for my dad.

With all things it is not everyone's cup of tea, I fully acknowledge the 50's ideal is something a great many people are not able to or have no desire to create for themselves. The picture we have from TV and film, and popualr myth, was not the reality for the majority. Some people though were and still are lucky enough to get to make it a reality for themselves.

Sorry for going off on a tangent


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RE: 50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? - 9/8/2007 4:05:22 PM   
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Gallery of Regrettable Food

Regrettable expression on her face, too.

Recipe for a party.  Or something. Keep clicking "next".

Hell's own aspic.

This is just wrong.  And slightly kinky too. 


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RE: 50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? - 9/8/2007 5:31:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		And on the same topic, would you believe Corned Beef Jell-O. 

Dunno bout the rest of you, but I'd be using my safeword on this aspect of a 50's household.

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RE: 50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? - 9/8/2007 5:47:56 PM   
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And on the same topic, would you believe Corned Beef Jell-O. 

Dunno bout the rest of you, but I'd be using my safeword on this aspect of a 50's household.



Those are plain horrifying.  And I thought Gramma's 60's B'nai Brith Womens' cookbook was bad...



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RE: 50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? - 9/8/2007 6:45:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		What I like about it:  I'm a girly girl and I want a manly man.  I don't think any possible career choice could have more meaning for me than being completely involved in raising my children.  I would love to be able to provide a sense of stability for my husband, so that he knows when he got home I would always be there rather than a voicemail saying "have to stay late at the office, order a pizza please."
I've never been married but I've lived  in that situation and I loved it.  I got to do things like laundry and cleaning while my bf was working so that when he got home ALL of our time was quality time spent together, rather than having to run errands and do boring stuff.  He would come up for lunch and I would not only have it ready but we would get to fool around a bit as well...and I liked cooking dinner knowing how much he would appreciate coming home to awesome food.

What I don't like: This isn't the 50's and there's no stigma attached to divorce.  If the jerk decided to run off with his secretary my resume would be blank for however many years I had been married.  It's hard to make that time up in a fast paced career so my options would be limited.

I would still do it, and gladly.  But it would have to be with someone I knew had the same views of marriage that I did.

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RE: 50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? - 9/8/2007 6:47:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Jello-Salad. Yikes!! - my grandmother made the weirdest looking Jell-O salad - and in all kinds of weird shapes (ever hear of a lime-green Jell-O Fish, spiked with marshmallows and lettuce, and peaches and (gasp) mayonnaise? "Mommeeee!! Please don't make me eat it - I'll give up my allowance, even, if you just don't make me eat that!"  

As children, my sisters and I were always forced to "ooh and aaah" over these dishes, because grandma thought they were so special, and she spent "Hours, maybe days" making them for holiday meals.  

I consider myself somewhat a foodie, and I definitely agree that some 50's (and 60's) food was a bit weird.

Who says housewives didn't work? Some of them were appparently busy making this kind of stuff. My mom sort of skipped it - she wasn't much of a cook (that, plus we begged her not to, in some cases). Grandma definitely made up for the lack, however.

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RE: 50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? - 9/8/2007 6:49:34 PM   
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Those are plain horrifying.  And I thought Gramma's 60's B'nai Brith Womens' cookbook was bad...


It gets worse.  Don't forget to eat your vegetable course, which is also conveniently entombed in Jell-O.  Oh wait, it looks like somebody already did, but sent it back up for an encore. 

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RE: 50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? - 9/8/2007 6:51:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Najakcharmer: Yikes! I agree with whoever said that if I'd known what a safe-word was back then, I would have used it in response to some of this kind of food.

I just looked at the "Gallery of regrettable food" reference you posted. I agree "What were they thinking?"

I have never quite understood the supposedly mass appeal of Tuna-Pea-Noodle casserole, either (and I dare say, I cannot be the only one. My husband married me on one condition:  That I never make this dish for him - he apparently had OD'd on it with his first wife, who made it for them almost constantly).

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RE: 50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? - 9/8/2007 7:00:57 PM   
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Hmm, I like Softness, was raised in a stay at home (mom) family. My sister is now doing the same. So I do like the image of the stereotype. (I’m 24)

Now, when I think of the ‘50s household, I think of my grandparents all happily married. All well educated, both my grandmothers’ worked, and one after her ums were in school went back to work. Neither one was the housewife that didn’t know what was going on in and outside the home, they just wouldn’t do that. It was very much a partnership relationship, which I think why of my male-wife relationship being similar to this could actually work today. Plus I want a house with a white picket fence.

I don’t see this as gender role relationship. (My brother-in-law was a stay at home Dad for awhile). Just as an ideal of a stay at home parent, which can’t really work now.

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RE: 50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? - 9/8/2007 7:05:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		And also as far as what separates it from the Victorian version is that a 50's housewife was more hands-on in running her household.  A Victorian household for me would be myself, my husband, and at least one house slave type servant of each gender.  One to do all the girly things for me, one to do all the fixing-house things for him.

Ironically enough I was also considering this with another ex of mine.  Basically Victorian household is 50's household for the leisure set :P 

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