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dcnovice -> RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers (9/16/2007 8:20:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CuriousLord quote: ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro Isn't there some way to blame this all on Carter or maybe Kennedy? Ah, no. Let's blame it all on Bush instead. Just easier, plus we obviously don't like him as much. Plus, we need someone to blame, right? It has to be someone's fault. How 'bout blaming it on the terrorists?

dcnovice -> RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers (9/16/2007 8:22:01 PM)
quote: *And I already believe that 9-11 had nothing to do with the Iraq war, and think we shouldn't even be there (so please don't mention it in connection with catching Terrorists). Do you think Bush could possibly have sold us on the Iraq war if 9/11 hadn't happened?

dcnovice -> RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers (9/16/2007 8:28:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 FDR: So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself—nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance. In every dark hour of our national life a leadership of frankness and vigor has met with that understanding and support of the people themselves which is essential to victory. Sound words,especially today/ I keep that quote on my bulletin board, actually.

dcnovice -> RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers (9/16/2007 8:30:13 PM)
quote: FDR did say that...He also locked all the Americans of Japanese descent up in internment camps, as well as quite a few others. So do we just care about what they say, not what they do? Good point, LD. No getting around it, that was wrong.

dcnovice -> RE: 9/11 non-sympathizers (9/16/2007 8:38:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: luckydog1 Well yes Jay, if we all submit to Islam there will be peace Who wants you to submit to Islam? It's in your head; it's not reality. I'm no expert, NG, but I have read about Christians in Nigeria being persecuted for not submitting to Islam, so I think it's reality in at least some places.

NorthernGent -> RE: 9/11 non-sympathizers (9/16/2007 11:13:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: luckydog1 Well yes Jay, if we all submit to Islam there will be peace Who wants you to submit to Islam? It's in your head; it's not reality. I'm no expert, NG, but I have read about Christians in Nigeria being persecuted for not submitting to Islam, so I think it's reality in at least some places. Same here, but I know for a fact that, around 6/8 months ago, 60 Muslims were murdered by Christians in Nigeria, in an act of religious persecution. Providing Lucky doesn't move to Nigeria, it should pan out fine.

luckydog1 -> RE: 9/11 non-sympathizers (9/17/2007 2:12:15 AM)
So NG you would describe the situation in Nigeria as fine? What a heartless bastard you are. Glad I have gotten under your skin though.

seeksfemslave -> RE: 9/11 non-sympathizers (9/17/2007 2:51:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: luckydog1 Well yes Jay, if we all submit to Islam there will be peace Who wants you to submit to Islam? It's in your head; it's not reality. I'm no expert, NG, but I have read about Christians in Nigeria being persecuted for not submitting to Islam, so I think it's reality in at least some places. Same thing happens in Pakistan. Christians are murdered that is ! Never hear a complaint out of the multiculturalist industry in the UK. They just tell us not to upset Muslims in the UK. ie dont hurt their feelings . especially when police investigations are carried out trying to find any MORE terrorist cells here. By the way memory tells me that a lot of Christians were murdered in the Lebanon a few years back. As I recall the UN forces (lol) mainly Dutch stood by and did nothing.

Rule -> RE: 9/11 non-sympathizers (9/17/2007 2:58:14 AM)
It is a deliberate war against religion. The same happened in Turkey (and in many other places where anti-religious genocides against other faiths occurred): the genocide on the christian Armenians. This is not to say that another religion is to blame, as they are merely puppets that are being played by anti-religious puppet masters.

INVENTIVEMASTER -> RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers (9/17/2007 3:16:05 AM)
I think this is similar to the Reichstag fire. This was a terrorist attack of the German parliament building, that resulted in the (Nazi) government at the time imposing measures that effectively removed any left wing opposition. Of course there are countless consipracy theories that Hitler either organised the attack himself, or stood idle when the communists carried it out. Most historians conclude that, while it is impossible to prove absolutely who orcestrated the attack, the fact that the Nazis used it so affectivly to put their own plans into action must make them, at least, acomplishes after the act

INVENTIVEMASTER -> RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers (9/17/2007 3:28:55 AM)
Also I think the conspiracy theories that sprung up after 911 and also (in the UK) after the death of Princess Diana,are a direct result of the faith we have in our governments. We want our governments to be in full control and to protect us so when a tragic event does happen it is, perversly, more comforting to think that the government must have allowed it,rather than admitting the possibilty that the government were powerless to prevent it

Rule -> RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers (9/17/2007 3:31:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: INVENTIVEMASTER I think this is What is? If you had included a pertinent little quote of the post that you are responding to, I would have known. That may not be necessary when responding to the last (few) posts in a thread, but it is when one responds to a much earlier post. (The quote button is to the right of the reply button. It is good manners to always delete the non pertinent parts of the quote. If one does not delete the non pertinent parts of quotes, I am apt to block their posts.) Edited to add: This is my 1515th post.

INVENTIVEMASTER -> RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers (9/17/2007 3:40:25 AM)
Having said that it is important to remember that 3000 people died on that day. people of all creeds, people of all colours. There most have even been people there whose job it was to fill the water coolers, or the cola machines. How the hell could anyone see that as a legitimate target? No matter what the cause terrorist attack on civilians are never justified! (yes, and I do include Hiroshama, Nagasaki and Dresden)

INVENTIVEMASTER -> RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers (9/17/2007 3:50:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule quote: ORIGINAL: INVENTIVEMASTER I think this is What is? If you had included a pertinent little quote of the post that you are responding to, I would have known. That may not be necessary when responding to the last (few) posts in a thread, but it is when one responds to a much earlier post. (The quote button is to the right of the reply button. It is good manners to always delete the non pertinent parts of the quote. If one does not delete the non pertinent parts of quotes, I am apt to block their posts.) Edited to add: This is my 1515th post. Really! Thanks for the expert advice. In my naivety I thought that knowing what the discussion was about, and having a general idea of how conversations progress, one might be able to follow the discussion (especially if the whole thing is viewable with a flick of the mouse) But I suppose you are right and in order to make things easier for everyone to understand I will follow your advice in the future

Rule -> RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers (9/17/2007 3:54:23 AM)
Well done. [;)]

Real0ne -> RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers (9/17/2007 6:31:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: INVENTIVEMASTER Having said that it is important to remember that 3000 people died on that day. people of all creeds, people of all colours. There most have even been people there whose job it was to fill the water coolers, or the cola machines. How the hell could anyone see that as a legitimate target? No matter what the cause terrorist attack on civilians are never justified! (yes, and I do include Hiroshama, Nagasaki and Dresden) anything is a legitimate target in a false flag operation. False flag ops are sure fire methods to get the people in any country to go to war against who ever is claimed to be the bad guys. Its called the hegelian dialectic you know if you want to suppress christians you have to start your own city on fire and claim christians did it. it has worked since the begining of time. yeh one tends to get conspiracy theories when everyone of the witnesses, firemen, emt's claim bombs were going off all over and the government makes no mention of it in their investigative report. you tend to get them when demolition experts claim the builoding fell as a result of a professional job. you tend to get them when cnn and the bbc broadcast a building has collapsed 15 minutes prior to the actual event and you can see it in the background still standing. you tend to get it with aiplanes that can go through steeel buildings with no nose damage as seen here. The New Bunker Busting 767! That is the point where a theory becomes a reality and is a conspiracy. quote: ORIGINAL: INVENTIVEMASTER Also I think the conspiracy theories that sprung up after 911 and also (in the UK) after the death of Princess Diana,are a direct result of the faith we have in our governments. We want our governments to be in full control and to protect us so when a tragic event does happen it is, perversly, more comforting to think that the government must have allowed it,rather than admitting the possibilty that the government were powerless to prevent it The governemnt has their own conspiracy theory, the 19 hijackers remember? To the contrary it is more perversly comforting for people to think that "the government would never do such a thing to their people". If you do not want to live in fear of your government you convince yourself of such. I mean after all waco wasnt the government, neither was murrah with all that unexploded military ordinance that had to be removed.

Alumbrado -> RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers (9/17/2007 6:35:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: *And I already believe that 9-11 had nothing to do with the Iraq war, and think we shouldn't even be there (so please don't mention it in connection with catching Terrorists). Do you think Bush could possibly have sold us on the Iraq war if 9/11 hadn't happened? Does anyone think Bush would have stayed out of Iraq because people weren't sold on the idea?

Alumbrado -> RE: 9/11 non-sympathizers (9/17/2007 6:57:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado I suspect that American politicians will continue the practice of overlooking potential problems in order to satisfy temporary objectives...[:D] Well,....not every politician. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/14/AR2007091402451.html?nav=rss_politics Clinton,for all his faults,tried to fix problems.Rather then" fix" the data,or produce photo ops,claiming to have fixed problems,like the current administration does. The reference was to US presidents using violence overseas, not about former employees writing memoirs. Do you really believe that all those people needlessly killed in Somalia, Bosnia, etc, were part of a 'fix', instead of a politician's powermongering?

farglebargle -> RE: 9/11 non-sympathizers (9/17/2007 9:55:20 AM)
http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine

dcnovice -> RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers (9/17/2007 8:42:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: *And I already believe that 9-11 had nothing to do with the Iraq war, and think we shouldn't even be there (so please don't mention it in connection with catching Terrorists). Do you think Bush could possibly have sold us on the Iraq war if 9/11 hadn't happened? Does anyone think Bush would have stayed out of Iraq because people weren't sold on the idea? I honestly don't know. Without 9/11, though, I think he'd have had a much harder time getting Congress to go along.

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