Owner59
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It appears from here that you are against the death penalty. How can you sympathize with this scum?
It`s not the scum I`m identifying with.It`s the innocent men and women,on death row and who have already been exicuted.
Google around a little,and you`ll see case after case of mis-justice and wrongful prosicution.
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What kind of evil must lurk in your heart to oppose justice?
Why I are you concerned about their rights. Us freedom loving Americans have nothing to fear. Oh, just maybe we can get it wrong and convict an innocent man?
Yup,happens all the time.Unless you`re willing to forfeit your own life,when an innocent man is executed,you have no place commenting of the death penalty,and it`s illogical,problematic nature.
Well, unless you or the government can read thoughts 100% of the time with 100% accuracy, isn't it possible you could get a hate-crime conviction wrong?
It`s only in death penalty cases,that 100 % accuracy is necessary.Death is 100% permanent.
Criminalizing thought requires an omnicient judge - someone who knows at the time of the crime what a person was thinking and feeling. If you can't do that, you have no grounds for passing judgement.
Nope,jurys and judges do it all the time,and aren`t gifted or all-knowing.If something can`t be proven,or isn`t known,it doesn`t get presented in court,and really doesn`t count.
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Can I get some clear answers?Something w/ some meat on it?
Is it a gut reaction,that`s hard to explain?Or something more concrete.Is it that you also want to hate,and don`t want gov.interference?
I could throw you a side of beef and you still couldn't get the meat I think. We have handed you many many reasons, all of which you fail to comprehend.
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I`d prefer answers and debate ,over personal comments and fluff.
But,that`s just me.
LOL I literally laughed out loud when I read this. Let's find some of your greatest non-fluff non-personal comments:
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Are we going to have the usual upset ,and ranting by conservitives,that charging them w/ a hate crime is "thought policing",and somehow,"un-fair"? It`s usually scum like this,that get all the simpathy from anti-hate crime crowd.
Did I ask anyone personally?
Did I say this in a reply to someones post?
Or did I just throw out a question,for whoever wanted to respond?
I don`t believe that calling republicans,neo-cons,anti-Constitutionalists,ditto-heads and cool-aid drinkers, on their shit, is getting personal.If someone wishes to associate with them,well then you`re kind`a on there "team",so to speak.
and you end up being an oppolgist for the worst president in American history,or defending 5 hooker scandles,in DC,or "Scooter Libby`s treachery,and bush`s colution in "Plamegate".If you can`t stand the heat,get out of the kitchen.(neo-cons,...you can just get the fuck out)
Not once did you say neo-conservative in all of your little snarky comments above. But, that's fine. You hate neo-conservatives. That's cool.
Samantics...call me guilty,I`ll plede no-constest.
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Nope, it was an attempt to be clever though. Sorry it didn't work with you. I always need to remember the audience, I guess.
Small request: Could you make sense?btw,the two ?`s,were because the comment didn`t make sense.Re-read it.Now this comment is not thought out.What gives?
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Aye, that be the rub right there. It is just yet another example of the loss of freedom in America,
Nope,once you`re doing crimes,you lose your right to hate,IMO.Of course, Americans who are convicts,by law,don`t have all the rights law abiding citizen`s have.
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and folks like you don't seem to care.
Well,not entirely true.I have no problem with the level of freedom that the KKK has.Dave Duke,John Birchers,CCC members,the gay haters,white supremacists,nazis,neo-nazis,Nation of Islam types,the lunatic fringe ,Ann Coulter,all have the right to spread hate and malice, fear and loathing,all they want.
Through the web,in print,on TV,where ever they can get an audience.And I would die for their rights to say those ugly,disease ridden thoughts,though I don`t agree w/ them.
It`s when hate speech is involved in a crime,that it crosses the line.
For example,one can spew hate for a lifetime,and be un-molested.
But if you insight someone to kill,or something less,btw,you are now liable.
Thoughts,words,.... do count.Google Tom Metzger. Though you may feel justified,you wittingly or un wittingly are saying that Metzger shouldn`t be in jail.
Could you square that,for me?
As long as it is happening to someone else - aka 'that scum' - why should we care? Why should we care that they torture terrorists, what freedoms have we Americans lost? THey are the worst scum alive, so it's ok.
It`s not ok to torture terrorists, for a number of reasons.
1st off,it doesn`t work.Some of the main intel that bush used to justify the Iraq invasion,came from a tortured prisoner,we had "renditioned "to Egypt.And the info was bogus.The guy was eventually released,or escaped(can`t remember).and said he would have said anything,to stop the torture.After weeks of being tortured in Egypt(on our behalf),the guy learned what answers were affective at stopping the torture.
2nd,is the morality and the Geneva Conventions.They also protect our soldiers,as well as our enemy POWs.When bush threw out the treaty,he doomed our soldiers to possible torture.That`s why the army made a fuss over it,when bush withdrew us from the treaty."Quaint",was the neo-cons description of the Geneva Conventions.
The 3rd reason we don`t torture,is we become what we`re fighting against.That`s a tough concept for supper patriots/neo-cons to comprehend.
Still,that`s true all the same.
< Message edited by Owner59 -- 9/14/2007 11:49:05 AM >
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I know you see my point and I'm sure you also know that I meant no disrespect toward you or prop. I guess it's just one of my big pet peeves and a sore spot since I've lived a lifetime hearing the people and home state I love diminished by the incorrect perceptions of people who don't really know anything at all about either of them. Plus, it just ticks me off that these fools just happen to be poor white, holler-livin' folks because then people all over the country jump to the conclusions that that's "typical" behavior for a bunch of backwoods inbreds
. Not at all. All of the backwoods folks I know and love aren't cruel or inbred at all. These people are aberrations and not at all representative of the race or social class they happen to be members of. That's all I'm sayin'. Thanks for the smile.............luci
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