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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 6:32:08 PM

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I do not need to place limits on my Master, and I don't.

My apologies, for my not being very clear, but since you used the phrase do not "need" [limits], can you see the distinction?

OK, I'm still confused, lol, but maybe my brain is fuzzy. I do not need, want, impose, anticipate, desire, predict, fathom, or contemplate putting limits on my Master.

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 6:34:17 PM

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So you guys are on the same page and have no needs for explicit limits???

Yes. In our nearly 8 years it has never been problematic. Since the chances of his closed head injury and personality change are so low I feel I can safely say that the lack of limits will continue trouble free.
Sure there are things I don't like, some scare me & some make me go ewwww lol but none will bring me to harm because of the man that he is.

My questions was:
Is the lack of needs in an established relationship the same as having "no limits"?

Do you think you are a "no limits" sub because you do not need them.

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Do you think you are a "no limits" sub because you would go through any extreme and have absolutely no limits in the literal sense or at least on a very extreme sense. Again, in that sense this stance can be taken when using it as a hyperbole.

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 6:35:10 PM

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I share your confusion, Owned. I understood you several pages ago.

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 6:37:22 PM

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I share your confusion, Owned. I understood you several pages ago.

No need for limits versus "no limits"

I understand her explanations........I dont know if she identify with the above if she does at all..........Two different things (not needing or no limits) entirely or is it? Perhaps Rover's explanation is more clearer to you.

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 6:40:59 PM

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My questions was is the lack of needs in an established relationship the same as having "no limits"? Lack of needs in an established relationship the same as having no limits. heh I had to write it out, somehow it is a confusing sentence. Answer is yes.

Do you think you are a "no limits" sub because you do not need them albeit a reliable, reasonable Dominant etc. The 'albiet' is throwing me off. Okies. I am his no limits submissive because he is reasonable n reliable.

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Do you think you are a "no limits" sub because you would go through any extreme and have absolutely no limits in the literal sense. Again, in that sense this stance can be taken when using it as a hyperbole. The reason I am no limits with my dom is because I KNOW he would not have me brought to irrepairable harm. So that is a moot point, something that won't happen. Hasnt happened by now
sorry but Im not changing my typos. Im in a dark room LOL

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 6:42:48 PM

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I hold these limits for myself: no children, scat, animals, permanent body damage, nothing illegal. Since I hold them for myself, they are the ones that I will accept where my slave is concerned. All other limits, I feel, are open for me to push.

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 6:43:32 PM

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I share your confusion, Owned. I understood you several pages ago.

No need for limits versus "no limits"

I think I finally see what you're saying. My lack of need for limits is because of the man that he is and who I have developed into with him. It is because of our bond, and who I need to be as his slave. If he died tomorrow, I would not go into any future relationship without certain limits in place. I would very likely not be anyone's slave, so that would be limit #1.

I do not have a need for limits with my Master, nor would I want any, because limits to my Master would prohibit us from being who we are to each other. Not only do I not need or want them, but he would not allow them.

I'm understanding your "need" question as something specific to the individual, ie; am I a person without a need for limits. My response to that would be I am without a need for limits with him. I hope that clarifies things a bit.

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 6:44:34 PM

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Help!.........can anyone reword the two distinctions?

It seems clear that most people who answered are working under limits.
or simply put, have either taken on their Dominants limits or do not have a need for them.

The above seems very different, at least to me and what it would seem as many who have posted, that no having a need for limits is very different than being an "no limits" slave/sub/bottom.

Not having a need for limits seems remarkably different than literally having no limits or rare extreme play.

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 6:46:30 PM

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I don't think she meant Need in that sense. It was simply the way she phrased her answer. but she has clarified now

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 6:47:40 PM

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Help!.........can anyone reword the two distinctions?

Have your limits ceased to exist? Or have they ceased to be relevant because you trust your Master not to ask you to exceed them?

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 6:49:33 PM

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I don't think she meant Need in that sense. It was simply the way she phrased her answer. but she has clarified now

LOL I hope so. I'm going to need a drink to keep going, lol...

Hey that sounds good, actually, maybe I'll have one anyway....heh.

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 6:50:50 PM

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Help!.........can anyone reword the two distinctions?

Have your limits ceased to exist? Or have they ceased to be relevant because you trust your Master not to ask you to exceed them?

John

Thank you........

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 7:02:45 PM

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I do not need, want, impose, anticipate, desire, predict, fathom, or contemplate putting limits on my Master.

Okay the way I am interpreting this is that you have no need to have limits in your relationship or foresee a need for limits in your future. It seems that you have no need for them for a variety of reasons

Yes or no question:
Do you think not needing limits in D/s relationship is the same thing as the bottom/slave/sub having "no limits"?

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 7:07:27 PM

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I'm understanding your "need" question as something specific to the individual, ie; am I a person without a need for limits. My response to that would be I am without a need for limits with him. I hope that clarifies things a bit.

Yes that is an answer to my question. I am sorry I am so confusing

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 7:13:08 PM

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I do not need, want, impose, anticipate, desire, predict, fathom, or contemplate putting limits on my Master.

Okay the way I am interpreting this is that you have no need to have limits in your relationship or foresee a need for limits in your future. It seems that you have no need for them for a variety of reasons

OK.

What can I say. There are no limits to my slavery to my Master in our relationshp. You keep coming back to "need." There will never be limits to my slavery in this relationship. They do not belong in the relationship we have.

If I am ever in a relationship in the future, there will be limits.

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Yes or no question:
Do you think not needing limits in D/s relationship is the same thing as the bottom/slave/sub having "no limits"?

No.

But it's not necessarily a yes or no question.

I have known people who held no limits for themselves, both in and out of relationships. This is a rare person, in my opinion. I believe many unattached folks who claim they have no limits, might believe that, or might want to become that, but are not being truthful to themselves. Then again, some are.

I also believe each relationship is a unique creation between two or more individuals. Some D/s relationships may bring about such trust, bonding, devotion, love, or any other strong emotion, desire, or need, that limitations cease to be imposed on the Dominant, for various reasons.

I think you're trying to fit this into a black and white scenario, and I don't think it is that.

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 7:14:15 PM

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I'm understanding your "need" question as something specific to the individual, ie; am I a person without a need for limits. My response to that would be I am without a need for limits with him. I hope that clarifies things a bit.

Yes that is a answer to my question. I am sorry I am so confusing

No problem!

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 7:24:24 PM

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Do you are without a need for limits with your Master?

I apologize for my confusion, but you seem to be asking the same question to me repeatedly...? I must not be understanding, seriously.

I do not need to place limits on my Master, and I don't.

He has the reasonable limts-she trusts him in that.

Could it be any easier to understand-or do we need to burn another battallion of straw men for our amusement?

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 7:30:21 PM

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Bill, I don't know a thing about magic. But I do know that if you ask your girl to do something that she steadfastly refuses to do (no matter how outlandish that may be), she will refuse to do it. Please do not interpret that to mean that she is anything less than a fully devoted, wonderful slave to you. Just that all mentally healthy people have limits of their own. At the very least, self preservation.

John

Yes John that is true but still miss's our point. We don't think there are no limit Doms, or no limit slaves, but there are relationships where slaves don't set their limits, the Dom's in the relationship sets the limits, and from our experience those relationships work very well and are the most intense kinds of bdsm we have ever experienced.

No limit is a responsibility for the Dominant even more than a commitment by the submissive.... in our orginal post back a half dozen pages we did also mention that eveyone in M/s relationships has the universal safeword... good bye, so the concept of survival being an issue in consensual slavery is a stretch.

These sorts of relationships may well be more work and effort than you want, but we would disagree with your intimation that they don't exist. For us, the time and effort involved are more than paid back by the intesnisty and M/s bond that can develop.

What we meant by the "magic" is when the M/s bond is greater than the sum of it's parts and everyone in the relationship gets back more than they contribute. We have experienced this kind of relationship in the past and seek it for our future... we may describe it as magical but don't mean in the sense of not real.

YMMV

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 7:30:58 PM

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He has the reasonable limts-she trusts him in that.

Could it be any easier to understand-or do we need to burn another battallion of straw men for our amusement?

Not to perpetuate this...but "the reasonable limits" is not the same for everyone. His limits have changed. I have adjusted. If they change again, I will adjust again. But I see people discussing particular sets of limits as though they are universal, and they are not. Just wanted to clarify that. And when he decides he wants something that seems over the top for me, he makes sure I am ready to handle it when it happens. That is what I trust.

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 7:35:02 PM

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He has the reasonable limts-she trusts him in that.

Could it be any easier to understand-or do we need to burn another battallion of straw men for our amusement?

Not to perpetuate this...but "the reasonable limits" is not the same for everyone. His limits have changed. I have adjusted. If they change again, I will adjust again. But I see people discussing particular sets of limits as though they are universal, and they are not. Just wanted to clarify that. And when he decides he wants something that seems over the top for me, he makes sure I am ready to handle it when it happens. That is what I trust.