Bobkgin
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To the audience at large, based loosely on postings from Submittous, Rover and UR2Badored.
1. There is a question about whether there is anyone who, in absolute terms, has "no limits": will do whatever he/she is told and will allow anything to be done to him/her.
2. There is a question about whether such an individual should be considered "insane".
3. There is a question about what "no limits" means to each of us.
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1. Can anyone have, in absolute terms, no limits?
No one really knows. Suicide-bombers seem to have no limits, yet they'd not knowingly mock their god.
If I think of Bernardo/Homolka, or any number of serial murderers, their limit was "don't get caught".
Prop talks of being a no limits slave, yet she also has a limit she readily admits: "never disobey daddy".
So my thinking is that in absolute terms, there is no such thing as a "no limit" slave.
Even "no limit" is, in itself, a limit.
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2. Should such an individual be considered "insane"?
Well, in the absolute sense, with no real evidence such an individual exists, the point is moot.
With respect to those who claim they are "no limit" slaves, the question is: how do they define it?
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3. What does "no limits" means to those who apply the term to themselves?
Over and over again those who claimed no limits explained they were bound by the limits of their masters. That indeed there were limits, but that the source of those limits was not the slave, but the master.
Where UR2Badored's confusion comes from, I think, is that these slaves are not admitting that during the selection process, when they were seeking a master, they were made aware of their master's ethics, morality, honour, pride, etc, all the things that go into the making of limits. They did not surrender to the first person who came along. They were selective in whom they choose to serve.
So they had a deciding vote over the limits they would live with.
None of this shouts "insanity".
But in such a relationship it is the master's perogative to change the limits.
This is a risk the slave takes in accepting these conditions of imposing no limits over her master.
The change may be beneficial for the slave. Or it may not.
In theory, as Submittous pointed out, everyone has the "universal safeword: goodbye".
But it can be difficult to enforce that safeword if you're kept chained in a cage with no access to anyone but your master upon whom you depend for food, water, warmth, etc.
Or if you're dead.
Submittous wrote: "No limit is a responsibility for the Dominant even more than a commitment by the submissive".
True, because the master must resist the temptation to push limits and ignore limits and thus risk the life/health/well-being of his slave.
The master is out to disprove that "power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely". Perhaps the most difficult of ethical tests an individual can face.
Again, from Submittous: "from our experience those relationships work very well and are the most intense kinds of bdsm we have ever experienced ... the time and effort involved are more than paid back by the intesnisty and M/s bond that can develop."
Indeed, it is rare to know anyone uncorruptible by absolute power over another.
Again, none of this shouts "insanity".
Is this for everyone?
No.
Is it do-able?
Submittous claims experience, as do I in my previous relationship.
Is it insane?
If it is, it's my kind of crazy.
Hope that helps clear out the confusion.
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When all is said and done, what will you regret?
That you never really lived?
Or there was so much living left to do?
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