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RE: Jena 6 Day - 6/27/2009 4:37:11 PM

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If I'm understanding your reply, that's what I meant.

The only way a trial is a political disaster for the DA is if evidence comes out showing the 6 were provoked.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 6/27/2009 7:34:54 PM

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Let's not forget that the principal did attempt to expell the white students for what the school board contended was a "kid's prank" and that one of the members of that school board who did not approve the principal's decision to expel just 'happens" to be the district attorney involved in this case. Oh yea...and that same school board member/district attorney told the student body of that school - the entire student body, not just the black population of that student body to keep quiet or with a stroke of his pen, he could ruin their lives forever.

The nooses hung from trees by the white kids could have been called a school prank OR it could be called a hate crime. The district attorney/school board member decided it was a prank. The jumping of the white kid could have been called attempted murder OR it could have been called a high school fight. Guess what the district attorney/school board member opted for in this situation.

There are certainly consequences to be paid, but there's no way in hell, I would consider a high school fight to be attempted murder - ESPECIALLY when the kid that was jumped still managed to drag himself to a party that same evening. Personally, if someone opted to attempt to kill my son, I sure as hell wouldn't be expecting him to waltz off to a party that same evening.

And know what? The picture you see is EXACTLY what the outcome of school fights look like - back when I was in school - 30 years ago AND today. Kids are impulsive and they react badly to perceived injustices. Nooses hung in lovely school colors in order to "persuade" the "wrong type" of students from sitting under a tree, even if it was a high school prank, is a significant instigation to further bad decisions on everyone's part. And bad decisions are frequently the domain of high school boys - both white and black.

No one is saying that ALL the boys, black and white, should not face consequences of their actions, but certainly, the consequences should darn well have been administered more even-handedly than they were, and if they didn't warrant jail time for the white kids for a hate crime, they didn't warrant jail time for a high school fight.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 6/27/2009 11:20:41 PM

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When a case is high profile and racially charged like the Jena 6, the political fallout on all sides is especially heavy, we see this in the media all the time. The full truth will remain buried in court documents for years and eventually someone connected to the case will publish a book or give interviews about the case and the controversies will continue.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 6/28/2009 9:17:14 AM

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There is a plea in North Carolina called the Alford plea. It allows the defendant to state that he is not guilty but recognizes that the prosecutor may have enough evidence to convict him or to convince a jury to convict him of the crime he is accused of during a trial.
If your accused of a crime that you know you are not guilty of , but because of the emotionally charged feelings of the public about this crime or situation may result in your getting 25 yrs if your convicted. What would you do? Accept a plea, admit guilt for a lighter sentence to avoid spending a quarter of your life in prison or take the crap shoot and proclaim your innocence and hope your believed by a jury that may already be prejudiced against you or this particular type of crime??
If anyone here believes our justice system is fair and impartial then you are not dealing with reality. If you have money then your chances in a court of law are significantly elevated. If you don't have tens of thousands of dollars to spend on a lawyer then you are basically screwed.

I certainly do believe it is possible that these kids were told to make a statement as part of the plea agreement whether they wanted to or not. Make the statement for this sentence or don't make the statement and receive a harsher sentence. Yep, I believe that.
Personally, every body was wrong in this case. The group of six were wrong for beating the one boy. The boys hanging rope from the trees were wrong. The adults handling of this situation were wrong and worst of all the authorities and the school were wrong for not taking immediate steps to punish the boys who put the rope in the trees. They should have been expelled then and there.They should have been charged with a hate crime and given probation. Do the six who participated in the beating deserve to be punished? Yes, expulsion, and misdemeanor assault with probation. Absolutely. Do they deserve to go to prison? Absolutely NOT.
The District Attorney should be brought up on criminal charges of communicating threats and disbarred.

None of us really know all that happened in this situation and never will. We cannot and should not rely on the many and varied reported accounts of this situation by a media who sole intent is raising readership and viewership with little regard for factual account.

In a perfect world we would hope the adults in this matter, the parents would have stood together and refused to accept this kind of behavior from any of the students regardless of color. Sadly, that will never happen.
Do I have a Utopian hope that someday it will .............absolutely I can hope.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 6/28/2009 9:40:41 AM

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If I'm understanding your reply, that's what I meant.

The only way a trial is a political disaster for the DA is if evidence comes out showing the 6 were provoked.

Which has not so far.

In fact the opposite.

And it still would not make a difference.

Provocation short of actual physical violence is not a defense for inflicting physical violence.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 6/28/2009 9:56:37 AM

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If I'm understanding your reply, that's what I meant.

The only way a trial is a political disaster for the DA is if evidence comes out showing the 6 were provoked.

Which has not so far.

In fact the opposite.

And it still would not make a difference.

Provocation short of actual physical violence is not a defense for inflicting physical violence.

So why then offer to accept a nolo contendre plea to the lesser included misdemeanor? These men were accused of a raft of serious felonies, at least at one point including attempted murder, but in the end all 6 plea to misdemeanor battery. Why?

The only answer that makes sense considering that all 6 had admitted their roles in the incident was because the DA decided the defence case would be disastrous, which IMO means they had evidence the DA doesn't want made public.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 6/28/2009 10:23:34 AM

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So why then offer to accept a nolo contendre plea to the lesser included misdemeanor? These men were accused of a raft of serious felonies, at least at one point including attempted murder, but in the end all 6 plea to misdemeanor battery. Why?

The only answer that makes sense considering that all 6 had admitted their roles in the incident was because the DA decided the defence case would be disastrous, which IMO means they had evidence the DA doesn't want made public.

Because I think both sides in the case just wanted to make it go away as quietly as possible for a variety of reasons.

There is nothing that could have made it disastrous outside of the negative publicity.

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