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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/21/2007 8:01:36 AM   
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the black lads are the first to take the law into their own hands by assaulting a white lad, and it is assumed they were trying to kill him in order to lock them up for 20-25 years.
NG,
Absolutely correct! These were educated HS young men who knew exactly how many kicks to the head a person can withstand without incurring permanent brain damage or death and counted each blow to make sure they didn't exceed it. Indeed the fact that there is only ongoing vision problems speaks to their ability and restraint.

The distraction argument of race here is similar to the 'racial' and/or ethnic distraction regarding illegal immigration. The illegal actions are discounted in the face of 'political correctness'; speaking to the weakness of the argument and the weakness of the integrity of those supporting the arguments.

Illegal Actions = Legal Consequence. Simple and racially and ethnically neutral. Why such a difficult concept?

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/21/2007 8:07:40 AM   
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Because cocain is a light sentence and crack is a heavy one.  Because armed robbery gets you life but defrauding thousands of peoples entire retirement accounts gets a slap on the wrist.

But in concept I do agree with you, but again I see the reality as different.  We don't punish the companies that knowingly hire illegals, dry up the jobs and they won't come.  What people like myself object to is that diacotomy.  It is just as illegal to hire illegals as it is to be an illegal and yet only one crime is punished.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/21/2007 8:20:10 AM   
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Illegal Actions = Legal Consequence. Simple and racially and ethnically neutral. Why such a difficult concept?


Who said it was difficult in concept?  People are complaining that it is lacking in practice.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/21/2007 8:20:22 AM   
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I also want to make sure everyone knows that this kid the 6 guys beat up was NOT the one that hung the nooses....


nah,he just called them n#*ers.Just so everybody knows.



According to a few articles I've read, the guy that was attacked did not hang the noose nor did he make a racial slur. He was targetted because of his race. Which guess what.....makes it a hate crime.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/21/2007 8:48:41 AM   
hisannabelle


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people are still conveniently ignoring that one of the black kids' friends (the same who had the gun pulled on him by a white student, who, by the way, was never charged for pulling a firearm - whereas he was charged for wrestling the firearm away) was jumped only a few days prior by a group of white boys. it's not like the black kids just up and decided to do this at random with no provocation whatsoever. let's not forget the threat of a hate crime...all for wanting to desegregate their school (again, i ask, what year is this? when were desegregation laws passed in this country?). i believe ALL parties at fault in this case should be brought up on charges, but apparently the "justice" system has chosen to ignore that half of the parties at fault in this case were, in fact, white. i don't see those kids getting convicted of attempted murder by an all-black jury...why is that? someone who is so vocal for these kids going to prison please tell me. i'm curious.

respectfully,
annabelle.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/21/2007 8:50:12 AM   
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According to a few articles I've read, the guy that was attacked did not hang the noose nor did he make a racial slur. He was targetted because of his race. Which guess what.....makes it a hate crime.


in fact, he was targeted because he was making jokes and humiliating the black students about how his friends had beaten up a black boy only a few days before for wanting to come to a "white" party. that was what provoked the black kids to jump him.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/21/2007 9:57:09 AM   
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(they were always blocked by progressive Democrats btw)

No need to revise history,Fatdom.


No need to revise history,Fatdom.

No need to exaggerate either.Your use of the word lynching is insulting to victims of lynching.I think you know that.The caviler use of the word is reckless.


Progressive Democrats William Jennings Bryant and then FDR backing, Anti-Gold, reform shouting, people's party Democrats blocked federal lynching laws for over 60 years.

And...

My use of lynching was not only on point but in this attack entirely correct.

If six white men attack one black man the civil rights industry in this country and guilt ridden whites would be out today protesting the Jena 1 instead of the Jena 6. They would, and rightly so, call it what it was, a lynching.

To deny it was so, is to dishonor all of the victims of mob lynching, from unknown, nameless black men to Emmet Till to Matthew Sheppard.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/21/2007 10:33:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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the black lads are the first to take the law into their own hands by assaulting a white lad, and it is assumed they were trying to kill him in order to lock them up for 20-25 years.
NG,
Absolutely correct! These were educated HS young men who knew exactly how many kicks to the head a person can withstand without incurring permanent brain damage or death and counted each blow to make sure they didn't exceed it. Indeed the fact that there is only ongoing vision problems speaks to their ability and restraint.

The distraction argument of race here is similar to the 'racial' and/or ethnic distraction regarding illegal immigration. The illegal actions are discounted in the face of 'political correctness'; speaking to the weakness of the argument and the weakness of the integrity of those supporting the arguments.

Illegal Actions = Legal Consequence. Simple and racially and ethnically neutral. Why such a difficult concept?



Absolutely incorrect!

I`ve been teaching and training in karate for over 20 years.
I don`t know,and I don`t know anybody who knows, "exactly  how many kicks to the head a person can withstand without incurring permanent brain damage or death".


Ridculous.

This just in.
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=49750&cl=4178424&ch=49799&src=news

Two men arrested for having nooses tied to their truck,as they drove around.


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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/21/2007 10:37:34 AM   
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(they were always blocked by progressive Democrats btw)

No need to revise history,Fatdom.


No need to revise history,Fatdom.

No need to exaggerate either.Your use of the word lynching is insulting to victims of lynching.I think you know that.The caviler use of the word is reckless.


Progressive Democrats William Jennings Bryant and then FDR backing, Anti-Gold, reform shouting, people's party Democrats blocked federal lynching laws for over 60 years.

And...

My use of lynching was not only on point but in this attack entirely correct.

If six white men attack one black man the civil rights industry in this country and guilt ridden whites would be out today protesting the Jena 1 instead of the Jena 6. They would, and rightly so, call it what it was, a lynching.

To deny it was so, is to dishonor all of the victims of mob lynching, from unknown, nameless black men to Emmet Till to Matthew Sheppard.


Those were bigotted ,southern Democrats,hardly "progressives"as you called them,lol.Of course,the republicans were doing ziltch,during that same time.

But when the Democratic party had their reformation,the biggots,like Strom Thurmond left the Democratic party,and joined the Republican party.

There,the bigots like Thurman,just continued on,as they did before,and as they do today,using bigotry and hatred to divide America.You know,those dirty gay people,and the "those"terrorists,"over there",and so on.



"the civil rights industry"  ,lol
 
I think we know where you`re coming from,now.

I think I hear a ditto-head.(which means Rush Limbaugh listener)

Rush is a leader in the "revisionist history" industry.I see to buy the lie.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/21/2007 10:42:08 AM   
HaveRopeWillBind


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Status: offline 		There is a legal point here that seems to have been missed by most. We have a series of events that led up to two boys being beaten by a group of boys from another racial group. In the first case where the white boys beat a black boy who came to a party uninvited it was a spur of the moment assault, and as such each of the white boys should have been charged with assault. In the case of the second beating the black boys made a decision in advance to beat up a white boy and then laid in wait for him as a group. This makes the crime premeditated and clearly indicates intent to do harm. Even if the beatings and the physical results were equal this makes the two crimes unequal under the law. Crimes of planned intent are always charged more seriously.

Now a bit of personal opinion. The black kids who first chose to sit under the "white" tree had to be aware that they were going to cause problems. Anyone of high school age in America, especially in the South, has to be aware that Racism still exists in this country and is aware that certain actions are realistically going to be troublesome. As a white male I know that if I  choose to walk through certain parts of Watts or Bedford Stuyvesant that I am not likely to escape unscathed. In the same way any intelligent Black man who chooses to take a drive through certain white strongholds (such as Beverly Hills) knows he is very likely to be detained simply for being black. (Ever heard of the phrase, "Driving While Black"?) Most adult blacks know exactly what that is all about. So we all have to be realistic enough to recognize that racism is still alive in this nation, from both sides, and to act in realistic and non-confrontational ways until it is finally vanquished. The kids who initiated this sequence of events knew that trouble would ensue from it and then went ahead anyway. The black community complaining about the Jena 6 should be asking themselves if it all didn't begin with black kids and how this could have been resolved differently from the beginning. No, that doesn't mean I advocate that blacks "stay in their place," simply that I see this as having been begun with the knowledge that it would end badly and that the whole affair should have been begun with more thought.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/21/2007 10:44:59 AM   
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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/21/2007 10:48:20 AM   
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So we all have to be realistic enough to recognize that racism is still alive in this nation, from both sides, and to act in realistic and non-confrontational ways until it is finally vanquished.




Do Nothing Til You Hear From Me

Duke Ellington / Bob Russell

Some-one told some-one and some-one told you
But they wouldn't hurt you, not much,
Since ev'ryone spread the story
With his own little personal touch.

Do Nothin' Till You Hear From Me
Pay no attention to what's said
Why people tear the seam of anyone's dream is over my head.
Do Nothin' Till You Hear From Me
At least consider our romance
If you should take the word of others you've heard
I haven't a chance
True I've been seen with someone new
But does that mean that I'm untrue?
When we're apart the words in my heart reveal how I feel about you.
Some kiss may cloud my memory
And other arms may hold a thrill
But please do nothin' till you hear it from me
And you never will.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/21/2007 10:55:35 AM   
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i found ur phone it was up ur aslave but i heard it ring when he went shopping4 ur new undies u want me to pull it out with my teeth


?? wtf?lol

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/21/2007 10:57:59 AM   
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I also want to make sure everyone knows that this kid the 6 guys beat up was NOT the one that hung the nooses....


nah,he just called them n#*ers.Just so everybody knows.



According to a few articles I've read, the guy that was attacked did not hang the noose nor did he make a racial slur. He was targetted because of his race. Which guess what.....makes it a hate crime.


Nope.Try again...Read further,more then a "few" articles.

Thank god youngsters aren`t in charge of these things.Or are they?

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/21/2007 10:58:16 AM   
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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/21/2007 11:02:40 AM   
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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/21/2007 11:07:26 AM   
Owner59


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Bell would be out today,if he had pleading guilty to the attempted murder charge.

But he didn`t,so he has to go through the system.

I heard that David Bowie,donated 10 mil.,to the defense fund.


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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/21/2007 11:18:38 AM   
hisannabelle


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Status: offline 		greetings haveropewillbind,

according to what i have read, the black kids did not premeditate their attack, they heard the white student making jokes about what his friends did to their friend and that was what provoked them. if anyone has an article that shows exactly how the attack was premeditated, i would love to read it.

on top of that, this is 2007, not 1960. segregation is not legal. i don't give a damn how racist the south is or what the reality of racism is. if someone wants their school to be integrated, they have a right to take steps to make that happen without being threatened with a hate crime and expected to just sit down, shut up, and get back in their place because that is the supposed reality of racism. the first protest these kids did to the noose hanging was a silent, peaceful one...not a violent one. the one kid (who was an incoming freshman) who sat with the white students was told BY THE SCHOOL that he was allowed to do so. yes, racism exists, yes, unfortunately, people of color have to be far more aware of their actions than white people because they are expected to know their place. but hanging nooses for wanting to have your school desegregated? i am sorry, i don't think that wanting to be able to sit with those of other races is too much to ask.

respectfully,
annabelle.


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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/21/2007 11:27:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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the black lads are the first to take the law into their own hands by assaulting a white lad, and it is assumed they were trying to kill him in order to lock them up for 20-25 years.
NG,
Absolutely correct! These were educated HS young men who knew exactly how many kicks to the head a person can withstand without incurring permanent brain damage or death and counted each blow to make sure they didn't exceed it. Indeed the fact that there is only ongoing vision problems speaks to their ability and restraint.

The distraction argument of race here is similar to the 'racial' and/or ethnic distraction regarding illegal immigration. The illegal actions are discounted in the face of 'political correctness'; speaking to the weakness of the argument and the weakness of the integrity of those supporting the arguments.

Illegal Actions = Legal Consequence. Simple and racially and ethnically neutral. Why such a difficult concept?



Absolutely incorrect!

I`ve been teaching and training in karate for over 20 years.
I don`t know,and I don`t know anybody who knows, "exactly  how many kicks to the head a person can withstand without incurring permanent brain damage or death".



I have to agree with you as a martial arts and self-defense instructor since the early 1980s.  Soft tissue injuries,
hematomas, weak arteries and veins, etc., can kill a person with one blow of limited force.  Additionally, the
comment that vision irregularities which may last the rest of this person's life being used to prove the restraint
and good-nature of 6 people jumping 1 person ranks down (in terms of complete idiocy) there with giving weapons of mass destruction to the Iraqi insurgency as a solution to our invasion of Iraq to prevent them from getting
weapons of mass destruction.

Sinergy


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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/21/2007 11:46:02 AM   
Owner59


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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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the black lads are the first to take the law into their own hands by assaulting a white lad, and it is assumed they were trying to kill him in order to lock them up for 20-25 years.
NG,
Absolutely correct! These were educated HS young men who knew exactly how many kicks to the head a person can withstand without incurring permanent brain damage or death and counted each blow to make sure they didn't exceed it. Indeed the fact that there is only ongoing vision problems speaks to their ability and restraint.

The distraction argument of race here is similar to the 'racial' and/or ethnic distraction regarding illegal immigration. The illegal actions are discounted in the face of 'political correctness'; speaking to the weakness of the argument and the weakness of the integrity of those supporting the arguments.

Illegal Actions = Legal Consequence. Simple and racially and ethnically neutral. Why such a difficult concept?



Absolutely incorrect!

I`ve been teaching and training in karate for over 20 years.
I don`t know,and I don`t know anybody who knows, "exactly  how many kicks to the head a person can withstand without incurring permanent brain damage or death".



I have to agree with you as a martial arts and self-defense instructor since the early 1980s.  Soft tissue injuries,
hematomas, weak arteries and veins, etc., can kill a person with one blow of limited force.  Additionally, the
comment that vision irregularities which may last the rest of this person's life being used to prove the restraint
and good-nature of 6 people jumping 1 person ranks down (in terms of complete idiocy) there with giving weapons of mass destruction to the Iraqi insurgency as a solution to our invasion of Iraq to prevent them from getting
weapons of mass destruction.

Sinergy



Yup.
I`ve been knocked out cold,with one strike.

I also fell of a roof,splitting my scalp from my eyebrow to the top of my head(when the surgeon stitched me up,there was a half-dollar sized piece of flesh,missing.Gone).I had a concussion and two black eyes.But never even once got dizzy or light headed.

I`ve also,on many ,many occasions,been mistakenly hit,during sparring or other practice.Sometimes it`ll leave a red mark,or nothing.Other times,just a little pop,will close down an eye,leaving a huge shiner.

In my book,no amount of kicks,or punches to head ,is right.If you hit someone in my class,even by mistake, you`re doing push-ups (in the corner),for the rest of the class.



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