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RE: preventing vanilla! - 8/2/2005 2:07:41 PM   
CelticPrince


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sub,

going with the flow is ok for many, but many believe that as vanilla reenters the life, it may well become the dominant part of the relationship.

Thanks for your thoughts.

CP

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RE: preventing vanilla! - 8/2/2005 2:10:27 PM   
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Your raise a good question. When I was younger I used to think that if it didn't just happen then it was time to move on. But now I know better. Committment is easy to do for the short term. But real committment gets hard every now and then and has to be worked on so that it can survive.

At first pass it is easy to pass this off. But as anyone who has been at this for any real length of time knows, it is hard to keep reality at bay. My Dom and I are in our ninth year of committement. Things like family, kids, careers and bills have a way of intruding into our kinky little havens. We went through our dry spell and drifted away from the local community while we concentrated on our careers and families. Thankfully, we were able to correct it before it got out of hand.

For us, we had to have some real conversations about our needs and our committments to things other than our play time together. Then we arranged some time alone and broke out all the toys. Like riding a bike it was all there again, but now it was a deeper, more satisfying time.

All I can say is that it is not something that can be decided and then just expected to always be there. It is something that must be tended like a delicate rose. Take the time to check in on it, ensure it gets the right amount of attention and sometimes you need to prune the hell out of it then just stand back and watch it burst out again.

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RE: preventing vanilla! - 8/2/2005 2:11:56 PM   
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I think the balance is the key to have a succesful relationship. If the whole world was conceived kinky, maybe we would be struggling against feeling vanilla.

Now, if the situation was diferent, like, one side of the relationship wants a little more vanilla style than the other, the balance is broken and you finally struggle to keep it equal, to keep happiness within both.

So, one of both sides is gonna have to stop pulling the rope. That's the sad part of all. If the stronggest side has vanilla preferences, and the other is not giving in, it's obvious they're not right for each other.

...I think...

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RE: preventing vanilla! - 8/7/2005 11:30:16 AM   
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Having had some personal experience in "when kinky love affairs go vanilla," I have to say that it can happen pretty easily. Not for all people, not for all relationships. But I have definately seen it happen. And had it happen to me, to some degree.

I was in a monogamous ft relationship with a collared submissive for over three years. It was wonderful for the time that it was, and it ended, rather spectacularly in fact. There were things that influenced that deterioration which had nothing to do with the M/s portion of our relationship. But overall, I would have to say that the deterioration of the PE aspects of our relationship also contributed to its eventual demise.

It's like a marriage; you have to work at it. Yes, you may be fundamentally dominant. You may be fundamentally submissive. There are needs that are met, negotiations made, compromises struck -- it's a lot of work. More so perhaps than most vanilla partnerships or marriages, I think. It's a more complicated world in which we (as a community and a lifestyle) operate; there are more variables at play than most people acknowledge in their vanilla relationships. I think one of the reasons that relationships involving BDSM are more fulfilling is that they are also more precise about the needs that are being met, the services performed, the trust established and used.

And if you don't put in the work to keep it healthy and functional for both parties, things start to degenerate. One of the ways that this manifested itself with my submissive is that we both began to get lazy, complacent, tired, worn down by the dailies -- we stopped working with each other to maintain the roles we had defined for each other. We stopped expressing our love for each other in this particular way, and something began to atrophy long before it ended.

It started to look and feel pretty vanilla. And the relationship had never been vanilla. Yeah, it was a harbinger or warning of sorts, I suppose. That is clearer in retrospect, but at the time we both made a lot of excuses for each other not being able or willing to put in the good, sweaty, kinky work that had always been the beating heart of our love for each other.

If you aren't putting in the time, you can lose the relationship: we all know this. Sometimes the first thing to go is the kink.

And that was the canary in my coal mine.

So that's how I feel about that.

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