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RE: Right to Free Speech, Censorship, blah, blah - 9/27/2007 5:31:53 PM

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Obscenity was defined yesterday for me. Essentially it is anything that has to do with sex period. The word sex is obscene. The word intercourse is obscene. Its a big blanket word that they seem to put on everything.

What kind of college is this? A Bible college?

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RE: Right to Free Speech, Censorship, blah, blah - 9/27/2007 7:06:14 PM

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Obscenity is defined in a long line of United States Supreme Court cases. If you want some starting place, hit the books but, no one on a website that doesn't know all the facts, hasn't talked to the college and doesn't know the locale and their proclivities can give you flip pertinent legal advice, go talk to an attorney, not a bdsm website, many offer free inital consultations.
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Obscenity was defined yesterday for me. Essentially it is anything that has to do with sex period. The word sex is obscene. The word intercourse is obscene. Its a big blanket word that they seem to put on everything.

When you get down to it we are more than likely all obscene because we are of different sexes being male and female. Of course they didn't say that but that is about how ludicrous their definition was.

Defined by whom? That's sure not the United States Supreme Court definition.
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RE: Right to Free Speech, Censorship, blah, blah - 9/29/2007 6:12:04 AM

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Sounds like the KPMG case. The law was changed and the cases were prosecuted retroactively. Their tax shelters were perfectly legal when formed and sold, but later on down the road, without warning there were a bunch of arrests.

As the government usually does, they piled up charges and the defendents copped. But if any of them decided to fight I would love to be on the jury, in fact the foreman. I could see it now "Your Honor we do not convict nor acquit, this is jury nullification. This statute is being applied retroactively which is against the law of the land, the Constitution. What they did was legal when they did it. Ignorance of the law is certainly not considered an excuse, but this was compliance with the law, therefore we acquit on those grounds. If they do it again we will convict, but not now". This is why juries exist in the first place.

There was a website something "in academia" which had a collection of things that were obscene that were considered art at universities around the US. I wish I could remember what exactly it was, it had some gnarly shit I tell ya.

So, it boils down to this. If the grade is not important, do as thou wilt. Submit the "offensive" website as a final project. Let them bounce it. You can decide what, if anything to do about it later. Take the knowledge. If you learn more by going to the class, go to the class. If not, stay home and save the gas. Read the book.

BTW, what is the URL of that "offensive" website ? Might be worth a look :-)
(starting to think I am a poet and don't know it)

Other than that the only advice I have is :

1. You can learn a hell of alot using "View Source" at websites you like. I learned a few tags that way.

2. Never EVER use nbsp. Webdesigners must realize that alot of people are still in 800X600 and I fucking hate having a scroll bar at the bottom. It even annoys me when someone inserts a link in a post that is too long and it causes this. I know it is inadvertent, but it probably can be avoided if the poster names it and uses the a href/ahref, but it is unreasonable to expect everyone to know that. Still annoys me though. If you must exceed 800 pixels, OK I can see that. There are enough people at higher resolutions to where you want it to fill the screen at 1028, or higher. In that case, put all your banners at the right side. A sub-suggestion to this, put one banner at the left from a company that sells large or widescreen PC monitors :-)

3. Don't let this issue bother you. I didn't say that you do, but no matter what happens, don't let it get to you. It's nice to discuss it, get all these opinions, but keep it in perspective.

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RE: Right to Free Speech, Censorship, blah, blah - 9/29/2007 7:12:38 PM

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Alumbrado, Nope just a local college. I could understand better if it were a bible college.

The offensive website is www.passionatesinsations.com However, the very first day of class when I asked them if I could do the site. I took the professor to my website and said...this is it today. It won't look anything like this when I am done.
Basically at that point in time she said...as long as enough is changed for your final grade. You can't just copy it.

Since being labeled offensive she shows that website to all. Not what I am working on today. Not my class project. I believe it is the swing that is the most offensive to them. However, I have the swing on sale because I know all around the internet they retail for 300+...and its a very good deal.
However....the words are also offensive. My product categories. Anal, dildoes...etc. At least that is what I was told at the last meeting.

Since then the vice president of the college wrote me a follow up e-mail. It went over so well with me...I have deliberately been staying away from the computer for fear I will answer her the way I feel. I have too much passion over this right now....and really want to make a wise decision and not one in haste because someone pissed me off.

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RE: Right to Free Speech, Censorship, blah, blah - 9/29/2007 7:26:42 PM

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When are you going to understand that you don't get to choose the rules by which this game is played? It is simply not your choice. What is your choice, is either turning in an acceptable project or not and taking your lumps according to the choice you make. It doesn't matter if you agree, it doesn't matter if you think it's unfair. The college, the dean, your professor are the ones that make the rules.

Is this REALLY worth puffing up and taking a stand on? Do you REALLY want the potential public fallout that would be attached to any action you might decide to take? It's not as if anyone told you that you couldn't build your personal website any way you wish with any content you wish. Just not for this project. So what if it was changed in the middle, shit happens.

Pick your battles, honey. Be proactive instead of reactive.

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RE: Right to Free Speech, Censorship, blah, blah - 9/29/2007 7:45:49 PM

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Your Free Speech is not being infringed upon. They did not tell you that you cannot have the website. They told you that you cannot use it for your school project. You should not have used something that may have caused waves. You made the decision, not suck it up and spend your time creating another website for your class project.

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RE: Right to Free Speech, Censorship, blah, blah - 10/4/2007 7:50:47 AM

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Little legality you may enjoy..
Because its sexually depict you can account that they have no need or use for the site, and no intentions to continue its existence..
Their for you may fite for the domain name, and copy writes.

But their servers their rules.

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RE: Right to Free Speech, Censorship, blah, blah - 10/4/2007 7:56:16 AM

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Spoke to an attorney friend here in NE. Didn't seek him out, just in passing chat about what we've been up to.

Apparently I have been censored. While the constitution only follows government agencies. It also follows those who take government money. The college takes millions a year.

So, they must adhere to the constitution. It all comes down to one professor who lied in the end.
Cannot change her mind at this late date. However I am well within my rights to allow others to know
what has happened to me. So, a reporter is already doing the story.

Aside from that with my schedule change I have decided not to continue in a class where I have already been told no matter what will not benefit me. I cannot ask questions when I have them. I can do the classwork, however I will continue doing that anyway. So, at this point I do not see a reason to continue.

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