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IrishMist -> RE: Please help me understand (9/25/2007 12:02:44 PM)

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That's such a subjective question and there are many possible answers, but the first which springs to my mind is that the dominant holds a collar as a very valuable symbol and he won't give one to someone just so they have it. He's looking for a level of service or submission which has as much value and meaning to him as the collar does. It's a committment and he's in it for the long haul and he wants to make sure the submissive is as well.

What Celeste said here [:)]




AquaticSub -> RE: Please help me understand (9/25/2007 12:08:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: girlygurl

What does it mean when a Dominate says the sub is "not ready" for a collar?  What qualifies as "ready"?
 
Thank you
 



I really don't know if it is possible to give even a general answer to that question.

It could mean that she doesn't know to fix his favorite drinks and meals yet. It could mean that she is too spunky and he wants her to be more subdued. It could be that she is too subdued and he wants her to be more spunky. It could be that she doesn't know slave positions. It could be that she still uses the word "I". It could be that she doesn't use the word "I" and thinks slave positions will please him.

I really have to say that you will only be able to get an answer from him. If it is being used as a reason to end a relationship or contact, it could also be just another version of the "let's be friends" speech.




iammachine -> RE: Please help me understand (9/25/2007 12:49:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Level

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ORIGINAL: girlygurl

What does it mean when a Dominate says the sub is "not ready" for a collar?  What qualifies as "ready"?
 
Thank you
 



"dominant",  not "dominate" [;)]




Thank you! [;)]

Anyway, "ready" is subjective. The only person that can answer that question, is the one making the judgement call. None of us are, so we can't say.




Level -> RE: Please help me understand (9/25/2007 6:09:39 PM)

Quite welcome [X(] Always glad to help others.......




BeingChewsie -> RE: Please help me understand (9/25/2007 7:20:53 PM)

Probably means he wants to keep his options open while keeping you on the hook and putting out.




gcarlos -> RE: Please help me understand (9/25/2007 7:59:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

In NYC, my favorite food is corned beef and cabbage.

Hope this helps,
Ron  

(sorry,...quote is not working for me...ah!)

***SUSHI!!***




Kirata -> RE: Please help me understand (9/25/2007 10:45:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

Probably means he wants to keep his options open while keeping you on the hook and putting out.



I'll second that opinion, and I'll take a pastrami on rye with cole slaw.
 
K.
 




RRafe -> RE: Please help me understand (9/25/2007 11:08:20 PM)

Doubt exists.




Satyr6406 -> RE: Please help me understand (9/25/2007 11:18:20 PM)

I know that for myself, just recently. I had been talking with a young lady that had had a really horrible, crushing end to a relationship. She was blind-sided. She is not ready for a new relationship and, therefore, not ready for my "collar".
 
While some would call it "keeping you on the hook", maybe he sees something in you that you don't even recognize. We're never truly objective about ourselves.
 
I had to stop even thinking about a relationship with that young lady. It wouldn't have been good for her, right now. Somewhere down the road? Who knows?
 
 




Kirata -> RE: Please help me understand (9/25/2007 11:43:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Satyr6406

a young lady that had had a really horrible, crushing end to a relationship. She was blind-sided. She is not ready for a new relationship... I had to stop even thinking about a relationship with that young lady.  


Good point, if the advice was given by someone she isn't having a relationship with. I'm not quite sure what gave me the impression that wasn't the case here.
 
K.
 




eyesopened -> RE: Please help me understand (9/26/2007 2:09:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MissHarlet

Being ready for a collar is different to every Dominant. It totally depends on what he or she seeks in a submissive/slave and what they see in you.

For me a collar is as serious as a vanilla marriage and I would want the submissive/slave to give it equal importance .. and if I didnt think they did .. I would say they are not " ready" ....


i agree.  To the OP... part of what "you're not ready" also includes the unspoken "I'm not ready to collar you"




julietsierra -> RE: Please help me understand (9/26/2007 2:28:27 AM)

No one of us can really know what "you're not ready" means in your given situation. We simply can't. However, I'm going to give a guess here - and I may be totally off the mark.

I'd guess that "you're not ready yet" has a lot to do with the fact that you're inquiring about a collar. I know it seems like that's kind of "unfair"... how can you know if you don't ask and all that... But that's exactly the point.

If you are asking for the collar as if it's the brass ring to reach for instead of submitting and serving your dominant because HE is the more important than the jewelry, then you aren't ready. In short, "ready" is likely to mean that as your dominant, it'd be real nice if HE were more important than showing off a piece of leather or metal around your neck.

Ever see those girls who become bridezilla when they get an engagement ring? If I had to guess, it'd be something like that.

Strangely enough, the day that the collar becomes secondary to everything else about HIM is the day you'd be ready to receive a collar.

The other side to this coin is, as someone has already pointed out, it also means he's not ready - perhaps precisely because he feels like you're on a collar hunt vs simply wanting to submit and serve. It's kind of like some advice I gave one of my family members as he reached the age to date. "Honey, if a girl likes you because she likes your car, then don't let her fool you. She likes your CAR. Not you. Do you want to be with someone who only wants everyone else to see her in your car or would you want to be with someone who wants YOU, car or no car?" A dominant may wonder, if you only want the collar, how does he know you actually want HIM vs showing off a collar as if you'd just won him at a church bazaar or something. Just who owns who then?

Now, I don't know you at all, and perhaps I am so far off the mark as to be ridiculous, but the question I always have is why do people start to get weird about collars (almost in a "gotta have it gotta have it, why can't I get it, what's wrong with me, gotta have it" kind of frenzy)? If a collar were given to you in this state, just how could you be sure you ever got it because he wanted to give it vs just giving it to you because you want it? And if that doesn't matter to you, then it very well may be that you're never going to be ready for one. At this point, I'm guessing that he's not going to give you something "just because you want it" and that he's waiting to give it to you "just because he wants to."

News flash: Dominants are kind of funny that way. Very generally speaking, they're not much interested in doing things just because someone else said so. So quit saying so. And quit thinking about the collar. And take yourself out of the key position in this little fantasy of collar acquisition. When you'd serve him till you'd drop, collar or no collar, you'll be ready.

Quit focusing on it. Quit questioning it as if there's some magical recipe you can concoct that will entice it out of his hands and into yours (or around your neck). Start serving/submitting because THAT is what's important to you - because HE is that important to you and you're going to be much closer to "ready" than you are when you ask a group of strangers what constitutes "ready."

juliet




girlygurl -> RE: Please help me understand (9/26/2007 12:53:59 PM)

thanks to all of you for the input.  I had no idea it was so subjective




SirEbonyPhoenix -> RE: Please help me understand (9/26/2007 1:20:31 PM)

My opinion on this topic is that as a Dom, no sub/slave would recieve a from collar me (unless it were strictly for play only) from the word go. She would only recieve it IF and only if I either offer it to her depending on the course of O/our relationship or in terms of her succession while in training. But as with any other Dom/Master, it depends on when they are ready to offer it to a sub/slave and if they are serious about T/their committment to each other. In other words, it's all in the timing.




ehlovindom -> RE: Please help me understand (9/26/2007 4:47:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: girlygurl

What does it mean when a Dominate says the sub is "not ready" for a collar?  What qualifies as "ready"?
 
Thank you
 



It means he is "not ready" to have a relationship with you. Unless you ask him to explain and unless he will, then better move on with your life.




CelticPrince -> RE: Please help me understand (9/26/2007 5:06:26 PM)

generally gurl, it refers to experience and the ability to deal with his/her needs.

CP




TemptingNviceSub -> RE: Please help me understand (9/26/2007 8:28:42 PM)

Never make the collar the focus..make the relationship the focus...Tempting




Focus50 -> RE: Please help me understand (9/27/2007 2:02:30 PM)

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What does it mean when a Dominate says the sub is "not ready" for a collar? What qualifies as "ready"?
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ORIGINAL: girlygurl

What does it mean when a Dominate says the sub is "not ready" for a collar?  What qualifies as "ready"?

I'm usually suspicious about anyone telling other adults what they're not ready for, esp human relationships.  It's just as likely this is some form of sanctimonious code for him not being ready to offer a collar - as further evidenced by him shifting the "blame" onto you.
 
Still, I'm cringing at the prospect that this is just some online thing and you've never even met?
 
Focus.




Areflectionofyou -> RE: Please help me understand (9/27/2007 2:39:23 PM)

my day feels complete now lol
quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

In NYC, my favorite food is corned beef and cabbage.

Hope this helps,
Ron  




girlygurl -> RE: Please help me understand (9/27/2007 4:48:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Focus50

quote:

What does it mean when a Dominate says the sub is "not ready" for a collar? What qualifies as "ready"?
quote:

ORIGINAL: girlygurl

What does it mean when a Dominate says the sub is "not ready" for a collar?  What qualifies as "ready"?

I'm usually suspicious about anyone telling other adults what they're not ready for, esp human relationships.  It's just as likely this is some form of sanctimonious code for him not being ready to offer a collar - as further evidenced by him shifting the "blame" onto you.
 
Still, I'm cringing at the prospect that this is just some online thing and you've never even met?
 
Focus.


Focus Focus Focus..... I can always count on you to address the original topic, thank you!  Please, no more cringing!  He and I are more than an "online thing" lol in fact, we actually went on vacation together earlier this month.  *big smile*




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