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RE: Is God a Woman? - 10/1/2007 5:30:54 AM   
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The god of the dead doesn't exist
That is a pretty definitive statement. Do you have any arguments to support it?

According to world mythology people used to interact with his incarnation in our universe. Ever tried to google him?
 


God's a bastard!
 
I'm still waiting to be struck by lightening.

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and as an allegory is rather irrelevant

The theological and spiritual implications of his incarnations in our universe are profoundly allegorically relevant.


Whose incarnations? God's?
 
As I have said, there is no god. Or at least people like you who insist there is have never produced one shred of evidence to support your view.
 
You are as guilty of me in your definite statements without any evidence.
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, everything is in a state of flux and the material of which we comprise will disperse. At our age we are already made of completely different atoms to that of which we were made of when we were born. If your mind doesn't exist, you don't exist for all intents and purposes.
Nevertheless the mind does have a continuous existence, despite the atoms of our brains all having been exchanged for others many times. So the phenomenon of the mind is not static and inert and dead, nor dependent upon a particular configuration of atoms.

The old-fashioned idea that organisms are newtonian automatons has been surpassed since about a century. That was when a new kid on the block did away with that unimaginative and non-viable idea. This new kid goes by the name of Quantum Mechanics. Yes, everything is in a state of flux, alive.


Another series of definitive statements without one iota of evidence to support any of them.

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RE: Is God a Woman? - 10/1/2007 6:36:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		One thing on which science and (whats taken for) religion in our societies do agree, is that we are all abnormal subjects who require treatment to cure us of our erotic deviations.

This is odd, since science is meant to replace and remove the need for the superstitious religions which preceded it. Surely, science should be able to tell us why we are the way we are, and that this way is OK, in spite of religious prohibitions? But science appears to condemn us all the same as aberrant examples whose cure is their business, just as much as religion condemns us by different means and metholodogies and proposes the purification of our soul as a solution.

Now we could dismiss the condemnations of religion for the unfounded dogma they must be - given that the rest is unfounded dogma. Yet when we turn to science we find ourselves condemned all the same, by way of research evidence and conclusions.

So it does come across as rather odd to me, in a forum such as this, that we should even bother to defend one against the other, whichever side of the lines we stand.

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RE: Is God a Woman? - 10/1/2007 6:46:04 AM   
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RE: Is God a Woman? - 10/1/2007 6:46:59 AM   
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God's a bastard!

I'm still waiting to be struck by lightening.

It does not work that way, except when you get one of the incarnations of some of the gods irate, MC. To be struck by lightning by divine intervention when there is no such incarnation about, there has to be a spiritual request to have it happen to you. So if you want to be struck by lightning, better start praying to be struck by lightning.
 
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Whose incarnations? God's?

There are various incarnations of the divine. In this case I was referring to that god who was known as the God of the Dead - among many other names. (Obviously you did not do the google.)

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As I have said, there is no god. Or at least people like you who insist there is have never produced one shred of evidence to support your view.

You are as guilty as me in your definite statements without any evidence.

There are plenty of testimonies from anciety. The problem is not in the evidence, but in that you are both not spiritually aware and in denial of the testimonies.
 
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Another series of definitive statements without one iota of evidence to support any of them.
Your argument is that you do not have a mind?
Automatons do not have a mind. Are you an automaton? If so, please change your program.

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RE: Is God a Woman? - 10/1/2007 7:01:25 AM   
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Why would one ask for evidence that god exists when one cannot provide evidence that he doesn't exist?   The problem as i see it is people look in th wrong direction for god - you won't find him with the limits of human science's measuring tools.  You won't become aware through logical reasoning.  If you close yourself to the possibility he might exist then he will never exist for you. 

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RE: Is God a Woman? - 10/1/2007 7:15:03 AM   
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God's a bastard!

I'm still waiting to be struck by lightening.

It does not work that way, except when you get one of the incarnations of some of the gods irate, MC. To be struck by lightning by divine intervention when there is no such incarnation about, there has to be a spiritual request to have it happen to you. So if you want to be struck by lightning, better start praying to be struck by lightning.
 


Your answer is just blather.
 
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Whose incarnations? God's?

There are various incarnations of the divine. In this case I was referring to that god who was known as the God of the Dead - among many other names. (Obviously you did not do the google.)

 
Once again, just blather.
 
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As I have said, there is no god. Or at least people like you who insist there is have never produced one shred of evidence to support your view.

You are as guilty as me in your definite statements without any evidence.



There are plenty of testimonies from anciety. The problem is not in the evidence, but in that you are both not spiritually aware and in denial of the testimonies.
 

 
The testimony of ancient superstitious people is not evidence. The truth is you can't produce evidence that can stand up to scrutiny by contemporary rational methodology.
 
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Another series of definitive statements without one iota of evidence to support any of them.
Your argument is that you do not have a mind?
Automatons do not have a mind. Are you an automaton? If so, please change your program.


A person's mind is dependent on their body being alive. There is no evidence to the contrary as of yet.

Unless you have some evidence to the contrary you can share with us.

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RE: Is God a Woman? - 10/1/2007 7:16:52 AM   
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Lol, some of them are female.....

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RE: Is God a Woman? - 10/1/2007 7:19:14 AM   
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Why would one ask for evidence that god exists when one cannot provide evidence that he doesn't exist?   The problem as i see it is people look in th wrong direction for god - you won't find him with the limits of human science's measuring tools.  You won't become aware through logical reasoning.  If you close yourself to the possibility he might exist then he will never exist for you. 


So if you believe in fairies, that means fairies exist?

I can accept an individual can fool themselves into believing almost anything, after all look at the ludicrous beliefs of world religions. However, without an iota of objective evidence such things remains figments of a not very fertile imagination.

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RE: Is God a Woman? - 10/1/2007 7:23:24 AM   
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One thing on which science and (whats taken for) religion in our societies do agree, is that we are all abnormal subjects who require treatment to cure us of our erotic deviations.

This is odd, since science is meant to replace and remove the need for the superstitious religions which preceded it. Surely, science should be able to tell us why we are the way we are, and that this way is OK, in spite of religious prohibitions? But science appears to condemn us all the same as aberrant examples whose cure is their business, just as much as religion condemns us by different means and metholodogies and proposes the purification of our soul as a solution.

Now we could dismiss the condemnations of religion for the unfounded dogma they must be - given that the rest is unfounded dogma. Yet when we turn to science we find ourselves condemned all the same, by way of research evidence and conclusions.

So it does come across as rather odd to me, in a forum such as this, that we should even bother to defend one against the other, whichever side of the lines we stand.

E




Plausable; but one word is what it boils down to; money.  filthy money is what we worship- weather we know it or not. 

Nicely worded post Lady E.  :-)

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RE: Is God a Woman? - 10/1/2007 9:26:56 AM   
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We are quite sure that if there's a god up in heaven, he drives a silver thunderbird.

I perceive a divine We.
 
Despite this divine testimony I suspect that MC will still maintain his denial, though.

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RE: Is God a Woman? - 10/1/2007 9:29:18 AM   
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It of course is the Royal or Divine we, Rule.  And let us not overlook the fact that this also, CANNOT be disproven.  So silver thunderbird it is.

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RE: Is God a Woman? - 10/1/2007 9:36:47 AM   
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Why would one ask for evidence that god exists when one cannot provide evidence that he doesn't exist? The problem as i see it is people look in the wrong direction for god - you won't find him with the limits of human science's measuring tools.  You won't become aware through logical reasoning.  If you close yourself to the possibility he might exist then he will never exist for you.
Quite.
 
I wonder whether MC has the ability to change his mind. I think he does not. Perhaps being struck by lightning and surviving it may change his mind. But then again he would probably rationalize that miracle as being no more than mere coincidence. Or he might think that the divine is out to get him and in reaction may increase his denial. Or worse: he might change his mind and harass innocent people that do not share his religion.

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RE: Is God a Woman? - 10/1/2007 9:53:50 AM   
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Why would one ask for evidence that god exists when one cannot provide evidence that he doesn't exist?   The problem as i see it is people look in th wrong direction for god - you won't find him with the limits of human science's measuring tools.  You won't become aware through logical reasoning.  If you close yourself to the possibility he might exist then he will never exist for you. 


That's fine for faith based paradigms, which is why it is such a popular rationalization for beliefs in the paranormal, the supernatural, homeopathy, etc.

When you get on an old elevator, do you want one that had been tested and proven safe, or one that hasn't been tested, therefor no one has any proof that it isn't safe?

Some folks like to apply that approach to more than elevators.

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RE: Is God a Woman? - 10/1/2007 10:52:49 AM   
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God is a widget......deal with it.......

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RE: Is God a Woman? - 10/1/2007 11:28:11 AM   
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Why would one ask for evidence that god exists when one cannot provide evidence that he doesn't exist?   The problem as i see it is people look in th wrong direction for god - you won't find him with the limits of human science's measuring tools.  You won't become aware through logical reasoning.  If you close yourself to the possibility he might exist then he will never exist for you. 


That's fine for faith based paradigms, which is why it is such a popular rationalization for beliefs in the paranormal, the supernatural, homeopathy, etc.

When you get on an old elevator, do you want one that had been tested and proven safe, or one that hasn't been tested, therefor no one has any proof that it isn't safe?

Some folks like to apply that approach to more than elevators.


i see with more than my eyes, i hear with more then my ears, i feel with more then my touch, i taste with more then my tongue... this is what makes faith possible and real for me. 

Lot's of elevators that were just tested plunge to the ground. If you don't believe me watch the news or google elevator accidents in nyc. Bridges collapse - ask those in MN. 

At any rate you cannot compare the mechanical creations of man and being able to understand them and have faith in their working to belief and faith in god.




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RE: Is God a Woman? - 10/1/2007 11:36:03 AM   
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Just a thought i had over the last day or so regarding this topic. If someone comes to the threads and blasts, ridicules, belittles, makes fun of or otherwise harasses someones kink - people get all over their shit about it. Yet when it is done regarding a persons religous beliefs no one cares. It's open season.  my first response if i see a thread about people loving scat isn't to barge in and ridicule people about it.  i may not understand that kink, it may definately not be my kink, i may have my personal opinions about it that i would not care to share, but i don't say those who engage in it are idiotic, stupid, freakish etc. 


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RE: Is God a Woman? - 10/1/2007 12:33:03 PM   
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Just a thought i had over the last day or so regarding this topic. If someone comes to the threads and blasts, ridicules, belittles, makes fun of or otherwise harasses someones kink - people get all over their shit about it. Yet when it is done regarding a persons religous beliefs no one cares. It's open season.


More or less because having a kink isn't something we blast.  That's honesty.  Such as, if someone gets off from eatting poop, then while eatting poop doesn't seem very.. normal.. and might even cause some of our stomachs to turn.. you know what?  They're probably right.  Eatting poop probably works for them.

Now, someone says that there's a God out there?  Entirely different.  Unlike the poop-eatting kink, it's simply not true.  It's not an acknowledgement of reality, but a deviation from it.

And this is why we treat the two so differently.


PS-  I see you've made some other arguments for God-based superstitions on this page.  I'm refraining from replying to them for the moment simply to ask, first...
..do you perfer to believe in God, even though he doesn't exist?  Is it better, for you, to believe in a lie?

If an individual agrees not to taint others with their own sickness- to include their kids by passing their damnable superstitions down to impressionable minds- yet perfers to retain their own sickness to the determent of no others.. well, I guess there can't be too many things wrong with that.. so long as all this is the case.

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RE: Is God a Woman? - 10/1/2007 12:51:29 PM   
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Christianity prays to a trinity of Gods... Father son and holy spirit, most religions seem to refer to God as male.


Perhaps now. Depends on whether you count those who number Sophia in the trinity.
There's some evidence that it was not always so, however.

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As for the question of if they masturbate or not, that got me thinking and i will never be able to be in a thunderstorm, without wondering which Domme from this board is having an orgasm


Mesopotamian sources seem to indicate the Abrahamic god was originally viewed as a storm god.
Perhaps you should bring an umbrella; wet or cum, it might not be your cup of coffee.

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RE: Is God a Woman? - 10/1/2007 12:52:41 PM   
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At any rate you cannot compare the mechanical creations of man and being able to understand them and have faith in their working to belief and faith in god.


Very true, I was taking the opposite approach... relevant to not knowing how something works as a foundation for belief.

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RE: Is God a Woman? - 10/1/2007 1:03:32 PM   
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Now, someone says that there's a God out there?  Entirely different.  Unlike the poop-eatting kink, it's simply not true.  It's not an acknowledgement of reality, but a deviation from it.
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If an individual agrees not to taint others with their own sickness- to include their kids by passing their damnable superstitions down to impressionable minds- yet perfers to retain their own sickness to the determent of no others.. well, I guess there can't be too many things wrong with that.. so long as all this is the case.


Atheism is another form of religion CuriousLord unless you can prove beyond any doubt that god doesn’t exist. Science will get you so far in life but it can’t give you the answers to questions if no one proposes such questions in the first place. The concept of God or a higher being is an idea, the same way that electricity was an idea once upon a time. Scientific facts have to come from some initial idea in the first place. Therefore to exclude the possibility of something unproven means you may be blind to the real answers; only seeking that which you believe to be true.

To say God absolutely doesn’t exist follows the same crazy logic as to assume it does exist. There is no proof one way or another at this point in time and no one is yet able to propose a test for God. One day there may be a test for God proposed but only if people still have that idea in their heads.

That being said, all religion is unproven and therefore invalid from my point of view but people are allowed to choose things that get them through their day I suppose.


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