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ORIGINAL: Rule

Indeed. I am thinking murdered by the police also.

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ORIGINAL: Petronius

This sounds to me like another story of a strike that ran "Workers Assault Bayonets of National Guardsmen."

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ORIGINAL: Gwynvyd

Greetings all,

I will play what apears to be devils advocate on here since all assume this woman was in her right mind.

Having been an law enforcement officer simply backing away and letting them settle down does not always work. If they are being disruptive to the point of harming themselves, or others, or causing such a disturbance that they will not remove themselves from it willingly... actions must be taken to remove them from the situation. A normal thinking person will not turn themselves into a pretzel to get out of handcuffs. You have to basicaly dislocate your shoulder to do it. Damn painful. You can do the over the head thing and dislocate the shoulders... or try to do the under and through both legs thing. You have to be thin and very flexible for that. I am betting she was wearing a jacket of some sort that strangled her in her frantic attempts to get out of the handcuffs.

Missing a flight is no reason to go that bat shit. A normal thinking person once in custody will calm the hell down. Aparently she was none to bright. No you do not have the right to fight. If you are taken into to custody, you have the right to sit down, shut up and wait to be seen by a judge to clear everything up. Simply dont make it any harder on yourself by becoming an ass, or a danger to yourself or those around you. It is tradgic she died. Some one some where will be blamed for it since people are never responsible for doing stupid things to themselves. Since she was going that nuts the safest thing for her to be in was cuffs. With out cuffs she could have taken a chair and banged it on the door, herself..or hurt her self in other ways that are much more common. How many people have been stupid enough to strangle themselves with trying to get out of handcuffs? Not a whole hell of a lot.

and leaving a person free to go crazy in a public place "for thier saftey" is simply not possible. Think of the lawsuits, and the public outcry that would happen when one of these crazy idiots grab a kid and hurt them, or a bystander. Or.. hurt themselves.. Why werent the cops there to protect them from themselves? Damned if you do.. damned if you dont.

Simply put Human beings are some of the stupidest irrational creatures on this whole planet. You do your damnest to protect them from themselves and each other and at the end of the day hope like hell it is enough.

Yes there are jerks out there that take the power they are given as officers and use it in awful ways. But if the public were to see < and no watching Cops does not count> on the whole how dreadful most of what they have to deal with is they would feel a lot different about the men and women in uniform who protect them.

I hope this gives folks a fuller or different outlook on what may have happened with this woman.

Gwyn

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ORIGINAL: NICouple

there are FAR to many documented cases of someone being jerked around by TSA/HS at security checkpoints and then being arrested when they complained. (just do a google)

this stinks. does not pass the smell test. where is the video? where is the audio? where are all the witnesses that the media love to trot out to tell the tale of what they think they saw happening.

and honest cops? pulease. we have so many problem cops coming here from California it's not funny. one of them has the attitude that if your on the road at 2AM your running drugs and I had one tell me Idaho does not have Concealed Carry. another was finally "retired" after he went on a drunken shooting spree across a state line and was given a quiet ride home to sleep it off.

there are good cops, there are most cops, and there are bad cops. just like everyone else.

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ORIGINAL: NICouple

there are FAR to many documented cases of someone being jerked around by TSA/HS at security checkpoints and then being arrested when they complained. (just do a google)

this stinks. does not pass the smell test. where is the video? where is the audio? where are all the witnesses that the media love to trot out to tell the tale of what they think they saw happening.

and honest cops? pulease. we have so many problem cops coming here from California it's not funny. one of them has the attitude that if your on the road at 2AM your running drugs and I had one tell me Idaho does not have Concealed Carry. another was finally "retired" after he went on a drunken shooting spree across a state line and was given a quiet ride home to sleep it off.

there are good cops, there are most cops, and there are bad cops. just like everyone else.

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I would suggest that honest cops are as rare as frogs hair.

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ORIGINAL: MsBearlee



KMA?  What does KMA stand for? 
 
Knights, maybe...almost?
 
I know you'll know,
beverly

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By law the men and women in uniform are not required to protect anyone except those in custody against their will. 

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ORIGINAL: FullCircle

My mother always said to me FullCircle Junior don’t try to eat a pair of handcuffs. I never knew why until this very day.

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ORIGINAL: Bearlee



So...I'm curious; was there ever a discription of what happend to the woman; how did she choke to death?
 
B

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ORIGINAL: Bearlee



So...I'm curious; was there ever a discription of what happend to the woman; how did she choke to death?
 
B

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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By law the men and women in uniform are not required to protect anyone except those in custody against their will. 

Aren't they supposed to protect the rest of us too?

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ORIGINAL: ChicagoSwitchMal

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ORIGINAL: Bearlee



So...I'm curious; was there ever a discription of what happend to the woman; how did she choke to death?
 
B

Apprently shackles were in use too which makes a little more sense as to how she could have choked herself.

From http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/02/nyregion/02gotbaum.html?ref=nyregion

Sgt. Andy Hill of the Phoenix police said that Ms. Gotbaum, of Manhattan, was found with a shackle used to connect her handcuffs to a bench stretched across her throat, and said that investigators believed she had become entangled while trying to shift her handcuffs from behind her back to the front.

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ORIGINAL: Bearlee


Ah...  Well, I didn't understand the cuffs were attached to something else.

Thanks