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RE: i am not a true slave because i cannot kneel - 10/6/2007 5:54:41 AM

Hergirl0824

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i also cannot kneel due to life long knee problems that have required surgery.and right now i cannot even bend due to a recent care accident, but my submission does not come from my knees or my back..it comes from my heart and my mind...and those are the things that matter to Ma'am...never think that a label someone else places on you defines who you really are

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RE: i am not a true slave because i cannot kneel - 10/6/2007 5:56:51 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyHugs

Dear winterlight, Ladies and Gentlemen;

I can say as a Dominant, that I much rather have a slave/submissive who is physically challenged but serves from the heart and soul as a slave/submissive; than some physically abled individual to whom sees slavery/submission as a means of being a social butterfly, rude/crude, self-absorbed and someone who I would be embarrassed to have a collar on.

Just some thoughts.

Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

Very well said, Lady H.

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RE: i am not a true slave because i cannot kneel - 10/6/2007 6:01:31 AM

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ORIGINAL: littlebitxxx

In my opinion, serving from the heart is much more important than serving from the knees.

Simply put and well said.

-DR

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RE: i am not a true slave because i cannot kneel - 10/6/2007 6:06:12 AM

MrDiscipline44

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Why does this matter. Your profile not only states you're a submissive but also states that you're not interested in becoming a slave. Making the point of this question moot.

But to answer the question, being a slave is not in what you do, it's in who you are.

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RE: i am not a true slave because i cannot kneel - 10/6/2007 6:39:40 AM

Drifa

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I've had both knees arthroscoped, and the right one needs it again. Needless to say, I don't do much kneeling.

My Lady knows exacly how to get me in a submissive position, anywhere I may be in the house. She may have me lean into a wall like I was about to be frisked by the police. She frequently comes up behind me while I am at the computer, grabs a big handful of my hair, and forces my lips up to meet hers. She may have me lie on the foot of her bed. Or... etc. etc. etc.

Kneeling doesn't make submission. Submission comes from within my heart and will. I can submit literally anywhere doing anything, and physically cue that with a downwards glace and a slight nod.

When playtime rolls around, there are just so very many opportunities for "tie up and spank" -- if something is uncomfortable we reposition and go somewhere else. My focus, my Lady says, should be entirely on what she is doing, not on a danged arthritic knee, or a hand that's falling asleep. So we find positions where I am restrained as she wishes, but totally comfortable, until she starts applying whatever sensation she plans to treat me to.

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RE: i am not a true slave because i cannot kneel - 10/6/2007 7:03:36 AM

SirEbonyPhoenix

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First of all, define for me what is a "true slave" because based on my experience and observations, not all slaves kneel before their Masters. Heck, I've scened with some (by permission of their owners) who have a hard time standing up on a St. Andrew's cross, much less kneeling on a spanking bench. But don't let you physical inconveniences stop you from serving your Master, for as someone stated earlier, serving from the heart is much more important that serving from the knees. :)

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RE: i am not a true slave because i cannot kneel - 10/6/2007 7:57:45 AM

SteelofUtah

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This of course is my own humble opinion.

I am sick and tired of anyone saying that this and this is or isn't required in order to be this or that.

I like the phrase "what it is we do" it encompasses EVERYTHING.

Second the BDSM Lifestyle is NOT a HOW TO! it is only what you and your partner decide it is. if some A-Hole is saying that you are not a slave because you cannot kneel then I would say " It's good she's not your slave"

I am married to my slave and there are many things she is unable to do, some of these things will come in time with some training and some she will never be able to do.

My Opinion a slave is not judged by what they can do, but rather by the reasons that they do what they can.

A slave cannot kneel. So F****** What when she is with me does she wish to be the best she can possibly be for me? and if so then what else would I want?

I saddly thing you got yourself an Uber Dom who likes to wear spandex pants and a cape and fly around crushing spirits and making stupid comments as a super power. they are easy to spot, they are the ones who tell you what it is to be a slave, instead of telling you what it would mean to be thier slave. There is a HUGE difference there.

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RE: i am not a true slave because i cannot kneel - 10/6/2007 8:07:52 AM

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i'm not a "twue" submissive because i think highly of myself, have an opinionated mind, stubborn, strong, independent and refused to be micromanaged by any man, consider myself as an equal and demand having my person and limits respected.

oh well

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RE: i am not a true slave because i cannot kneel - 10/6/2007 8:21:41 AM

thetammyjo

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quote:

ORIGINAL: winterlight

or sit on the floor?

This doesn't reflect your identify or role so much as the expectations or desires of another person.

I love a slave kneeling at my feet so it has some value to me but not nearly as much value as a drive to serve and please which will need to be played out in a variety of positions frankly. If there are physical limits I find it wise to work to accommodate them.

For example, Fox has weak ankles so kneeling can become difficult after a while plus he has some lower back problems. So I modified the positions I wanted him to learn and we tried things out until he can easily maintain a position for as long as I desire.

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RE: i am not a true slave because i cannot kneel - 10/6/2007 8:42:17 AM

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I can't kneel because of knee problems and I can't really be pulled by a leash because of a neck problem. But I can serve and still do because there are many other ways to serve than being forced to kneel or be dragged around by a leash. To say someone can't be a true sub/slave because they can't do this or that is just stupid.

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RE: i am not a true slave because i cannot kneel - 10/6/2007 11:08:54 AM

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<fast reply>

Oh this post was screaming for me to reply....lol

Though there are alot of things I can and can not do per the "True sub/slave" book.... I consider myself a true sub to most i've served because of the service I gave from within myself. Not because of action, but because of attitude, heart, mind and soul.

There is one who considers me a true slave, not a sub. It's all in whom you are with... not with whom you are not .

So throw out that stupid book and let your heart guide you.......and love what you can do... forget what you can't do.... and enjoy life.... there's alot out there to still enjoy..

Signed... one whom is true to herself... so she can be true to the one I serve...

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RE: i am not a true slave because i cannot kneel - 10/6/2007 11:11:22 AM

ExSteelAgain

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quote:

ORIGINAL: wwwkevinww

quote:

ORIGINAL: ExSteelAgain

Thinking physical problems keep someone from being a slave are asinine. Speaking as a Dom, making her submissive in whatever body she is trapped in is all mental anyway. Not being able to kneel or some such thing reminds me of making out some kind of insurance form where you will be paid if you have enough problems.

Just do what your Dom wants if you can. If you can’t, tell him and he will find something else for you to do that will make you feel soooo slavelike, I bet.

So asinine I think the OP was being sarcastic.

I think your second paragraph has some wishful thinking in it.......LET THE DREAM GO ON....

What are you the guest commentator on everyone's post? It's like you keep reminding everyone that the OP was being sarcastic and upset that we don't get it. Trust me, we got it.

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RE: i am not a true slave because i cannot kneel - 10/6/2007 12:15:39 PM

abda

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I can't kneel for long periods of time but that doesn't mean I am not a sub. My desire to submit and serve comes from my heart..

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RE: i am not a true slave because i cannot kneel - 10/6/2007 12:37:35 PM

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ego always selfish one sided mental ass holes. They always think they know best. yeah right. Just be you that what it is all about and what you see your self as and in your heart.
some people have to ruin everyone else fun.. by some pushing their how to do bs on someone else where did they get off being freaking expert. sometimes you just have to say get stuffed and do what you want yep

< Message edited by LATEXBABY64 -- 10/6/2007 1:34:00 PM >

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RE: i am not a true slave because i cannot kneel - 10/6/2007 1:28:28 PM

celticlord2112

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ORIGINAL: winterlight

or sit on the floor?

My slave can kneel....but not for long periods of time. So, the rest of the time, she sits on my lap, or by my side, or lays next to me in the bed, or.....

Everyone has physical limitations. Half the fun in any relationship is figuring out how to work around them.

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RE: i am not a true slave because i cannot kneel - 10/6/2007 3:03:55 PM

Lashra

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Being a slave comes from within it has nothing to do with whether you can kneel or not. Humility, obedience, loyalty, honesty these things come within...

~Lashra

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RE: i am not a true slave because i cannot kneel - 10/6/2007 3:10:51 PM

HisCompletely

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agrees with Lashra :)

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RE: i am not a true slave because i cannot kneel - 10/6/2007 3:16:00 PM

KnightofMists

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quote:

ORIGINAL: winterlight

or sit on the floor?

does this mean your bedridden?

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RE: i am not a true slave because i cannot kneel - 10/6/2007 3:24:56 PM

camille65

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quote:

ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

quote:

ORIGINAL: winterlight

or sit on the floor?

does this mean your bedridden?

Most of the time I am. I go through periods where I'm mostly okay with it, and periods where I convince myself that calling myself submissive is beyond stupid because I can't 'do' what so many others here seem to do so casually.In a way 'I'm' not my physical body, I'm my emotions and mind. Deep in my mind I can easily give an hour long blowjob!

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RE: i am not a true slave because i cannot kneel - 10/6/2007 3:42:57 PM

winterlight

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i have had Dom/me tell me this. Since i cannot kneel (vein problems), sit on the floor back problems and neck problems. i am not a true sub/slave.
That is why i put that statement up there because i wanted to know other people's views.

tyvm!

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