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RE: i am not a true slave because i cannot kneel - 10/6/2007 5:43:19 PM

murmur

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ORIGINAL: Darkmike

Er, you might feel like a million dollars but that dosnt make you a millionaire, for the record, read my post, the word you used was submissive, the word being discussed is slave.
And that's supposed to make it all different because...?
I thought we were discussing physical capabilities vs emotional servitude. Being a slave or a submissive come from the same state of mind - serving another being.
I explained the difference, you didnt seem to get it, along with a lot of people here.
Oh, you explained the difference. (where?) That means you have the Answer. I'm sorry, are you God?
I am the last person to defend putting the world into a box, but IMHO the phrase slave signifies a fairly specific range, lets say at least 50% of the time unquestioning devotion.
A submissive on the other hand is a much wider area, from the 5% to the 50% lets say.
Ok. Now that you gave labels on what you thought were a slave/submissive submission, with percentage even, where are we at in the physical vs emotional discussion?

Take who you think you are out of the equation, and any percieved slight you feel I may have made against someone and you will understand what I am saying.

I'm sorry, confusion doesnt make me take things personally, who i am have nothing to do with this.
Slight? Nope, not any slight, just confusion.
Yes, that's why i am responding here, to understand better. And i'm still not getting what you want to say.

To the OP, serve from your heart, if he needs your physical submission before your emotional, maybe he's just a Top instead of a Dom?. Seek what works for you and what makes you happy.

edited cause of typos

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RE: i am not a true slave because i cannot kneel - 10/6/2007 6:30:57 PM

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I agree with most of the postings here and being a true sub/slave comes from inside and not from any form of posture. (is that spelled right?)

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RE: i am not a true slave because i cannot kneel - 10/6/2007 6:34:15 PM

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ORIGINAL: winterlight

or sit on the floor?

does this mean your bedridden?

Most of the time I am. I go through periods where I'm mostly okay with it, and periods where I convince myself that calling myself submissive is beyond stupid because I can't 'do' what so many others here seem to do so casually.In a way 'I'm' not my physical body, I'm my emotions and mind. Deep in my mind I can easily give an hour long blowjob!

i second this, unfortunately. Sir knows my limitations and works around them happily. i'm the one who fusses and cries in frustration.

kitten, who some days mourns the person she used to be....today is one of those days

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RE: i am not a true slave because i cannot kneel - 10/6/2007 6:40:48 PM

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Angel cant always serve as he wants, becasue of health reasons. It doesnt make him any less my slave. It does, however, make me the nurterer for a while and not simply the owner.
If you are with someone you truly serve, it coes from your actions and intent and not your actual physical location. Angel is at my feet even when he isnt physically at my feet. He has knelt for me only once since I have had him, and that was to have his collar put on. Aside from that, he lays next to me and puts his head in my lap. Or his stands with me. Or, on the rare occasion he has been stuck in bed for medical reasons, he holds my hand and listens as I tell him what we have in store for our future.

Being able to kneel doesnt make you less of a slave. Convincing yourself the measure of a slave is their ability to grovel might, though.

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RE: i am not a true slave because i cannot kneel - 10/6/2007 6:41:37 PM

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Yes I agree that if its physical its the desire that counts, however a smart Dom would simply get his sub some knee pads.

This splitting hairs between heart and body is really stupid.

If you serve from the heart, the body follows.

Thought first, action second.

no, it isnt stupid. i've nerve damage in my knee that if i try to kneel, i will be crying from pain in moments. it is a dealstopper. i cannot lie flat on my back for very long unless i am doing something that makes me pant....i WILL stop breathing, and cannot start again unless i am pushed onto my side. i have other physical problems that also impact play/sex. those are NOT splitting hairs, those things are things that injure and might kill me if Sir insists on putting me in positions that are against my ability to sustain safely.

i serve from the heart, he is very pleased with me. i can think all i want to, it will NOT heal my illness-ridden body.

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RE: i am not a true slave because i cannot kneel - 10/6/2007 7:03:07 PM

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"i am not a true slave because i cannot kneel"

winterlight;
Whoever told you this is either a dumdum or someone to be despised! If you have slaveheart, then you are a slave. Period.

But your profile says "[I am] Looking for local Dom/me", and "I am not interested in ... becoming a slave.". That implies you actually are not a slave.

There IS a Dom somewhere who wants you. Finding Him will be tough.

So she cannot kneel. So what? What if she CAN knit, or play guitar, or is a gourmet cook? A slave who can kneel is a dime a dozen, a slave with any of these other talents is a rarity.

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RE: i am not a true slave because i cannot kneel - 10/6/2007 7:10:13 PM

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Dear Ladies and Gentlemen,

Having been around a while, I have had people who could not stand long periods of time; such as on a St. Andrew's or other bondage station.

I have found that if you put your submissive/slave on a backless bar stool, then have them scoot back a bit, it exposes the best part of the buttocks and sitting is easier on the slave/submissive. These slaves/submissives can lean on a bar, a table and or a spotter, to which can give stability and or support. Some find it fine sitting and be in normal bondage bindings on the wrists. I have done many a flogging, caning and single tail demo on such positions. Straddle a armless chair works well for those who do not have a stool. It is worth comment, that Dominants can be sitting themselves if they wish to be more level with the slave they are working on. Benches that do not have backs work and some step stools can work as well.

Have a swing-set outside and private? Fun can be had for whip work when the slave swings to and from and my single tail must be sent in 'timing' with the slave to have the similar affect as if the slave was standing still.

Slings work. A good sturdy frame can work, much like a swing set. A tree limb, "I" beams that are support for the load of the house, etc. Some ladders that look like an enlarged table can be adapted as a bondage swing just for those who need to sit. So, let creative juices flow!

I have also flogged and single tailed a slave laying on their stomach on the floor. It is just a matter of positioning. On a rack, other flogging, caning, single tail techniques can be administered.

I do work with those who have physical issues that are slave/subs as well as Dominants. So, though few books address working with physical issues--there can be alterations as to continue a happy exchange of impact play.

Just some thoughts.

Respectfully submitted for consideration,
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RE: i am not a true slave because i cannot kneel - 10/6/2007 7:29:39 PM

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If a person is physically capable of killing their child, but chooses not to, are they a slave?

LA, I usually love the clarity and candor of your posts, but this one has me baffled.

Mike is suggesting that if someone is physically able to do something and yet chooses not to do it, then they are not a slave.

I brought up an example which goes to the logical extension of that rule and proves how ridiculous it is.

Choosing to do any particular action or not has nothing to do with being a slave.

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RE: i am not a true slave because i cannot kneel - 10/6/2007 7:31:48 PM

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Thanks, LA. As I said, I generally enjoy your posts and appreciate all the links you provide. You seem way more adept with the search engine than I am.

BTW, how is your aunt doing?

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RE: i am not a true slave because i cannot kneel - 10/6/2007 7:34:55 PM

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There's some things i can't do for a long time, kneeling is one of them, but i've learned how to submit in other ways.

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RE: i am not a true slave because i cannot kneel - 10/6/2007 8:33:45 PM

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