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RE: Abortion - 10/8/2007 1:54:23 PM   
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It's fine.  Pointing out two of my spelling mistakes is probably the best point you've made so far.  And I'm not trying to be an ass in saying this.  I'm sincerely grateful that, despite how petty this was, it was at least accurate.


lolol-you amuse me now......i have made many valid points.  but you cant see them because you are not willing to listen to anything tht differs from your opinion.

i wont go so far as to slam folks with high iq's, cause mines 145 and i wont diss me, but hunny you have a lot to learn, and not just that book learnin yer so proud of.........

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RE: Abortion - 10/8/2007 1:56:28 PM   
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Actually my thought on this subject has very little to do with an embryo/fetus and murder and everything to do with choice.  And I expand it far beyond abortion.  For me it's a more global issue about choice in reproduction, including whether or not to have um's how many to have, etc.  I don't want the government dictating such things to women.  When the government dictates abortion, it takes away a woman's reproductive freedom.


Yeah.  I get it.  You're saying women should have a choice.  You're ignoring the murder aspect.

How can you just ignore it?


Simply put, it's not murder. You think it is, but that's just your opinion, based on your own 'prejustices'...which you seem to think are objective truths. I, for one, don't ignore the "murder aspect". I just listen to your opinion and balance it with the opinions of others. Yours is no more or less valuable than anyone else's; it's just another opinion. You'll learn the difference between opinion and fact eventually, but probably not until you really need to.

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RE: Abortion - 10/8/2007 1:56:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		So for you abortion is murder no matter what the circumstances.
For me its not murder in any circumstance.
Now i'm not saying it is right to use abortion as a form of contraception but i do believe that it is a womans / man right to choose whether they have a baby or not.
It would be your choice not to abort.
It would be others choices to abort.
Can you not just accept that we all have the choice of what to do in this and any other circumstance?
Can you not accept that the concept of abortion being murder is only your opinion and others are entitled to theirs?

 

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RE: Abortion - 10/8/2007 1:58:46 PM   
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wont go so far as to slam folks with high iq's, cause mines 145


Am I the only CM member who doesn't know his IQ?

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RE: Abortion - 10/8/2007 2:00:55 PM   
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wont go so far as to slam folks with high iq's, cause mines 145


Am I the only CM member who doesn't know his IQ?


Looks like it, mine is 147 lol

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RE: Abortion - 10/8/2007 2:01:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		If we lived in the American South, and people still kidnapped Africans for forced labor on plantations, being whipped to death in the fields, I'd tell them, too, that they were inhuman monsters.  And, I'm sure, they'd tell me that I was a kid and too young and lacking of common sense to understand why black people didn't deserve their rights.  They'd probably tell me that I was exagerrating, that I don't have the right to say what I would've been.

They'd be asking me to meekly state that I feel it's not a good thing.  They'd be trying to force me from speaking both my opinion and the truth.  By just saying that I just thought it wasn't a good thing.. that's different from saying that it's inhumanly monsterous.

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RE: Abortion - 10/8/2007 2:01:35 PM   
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wont go so far as to slam folks with high iq's, cause mines 145


Am I the only CM member who doesn't know his IQ?


lmfao........i dont know what it is-im sure its higher than mine of course......im justa feeble minded old lady after all

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RE: Abortion - 10/8/2007 2:02:54 PM   
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wont go so far as to slam folks with high iq's, cause mines 145


Am I the only CM member who doesn't know his IQ?


Looks like it, mine is 147 lol


smartypants.....im taking the test again so i can get 2 more points

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RE: Abortion - 10/8/2007 2:04:12 PM   
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If we lived in the American South, and people still kidnapped Africans for forced labor on plantations, being whipped to death in the fields, I'd tell them too, that they were inhuman monsters.  And, I'm sure, they'd tell me that I was a kid and too young and lacking of common sense to understand why black people didn't deserve their rights.  They'd probably tell me that I was exagerrating, that I don't have the right to say what I would've been.

They'd be asking me to meekly state that I feel it's not a good thing.  They'd be trying to force me from speaking both my opinion and the truth.  By just saying that I just thought it wasn't a good thing.. that's different from saying that it's inhumanly monsterous.


You'd tell them too?
So are you saying that i am an inhuman monster?
The word too implies you have said anyone who has an abortion is one.
Would you care to rephrase ?

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RE: Abortion - 10/8/2007 2:04:48 PM   
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wont go so far as to slam folks with high iq's, cause mines 145


Am I the only CM member who doesn't know his IQ?


I'm not sure advertising it adds any validity to ones argument, in fact, seems childish and detracts from it, so I think you're safe not knowing and sharing it.
If you're curious though, alot of colleges give standardized, recognized IQ testing for free as part of studies quite often.
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RE: Abortion - 10/8/2007 2:05:07 PM   
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If we lived in the American South, and people still kidnapped Africans for forced labor on plantations, being whipped to death in the fields, I'd tell them, too, that they were inhuman monsters.  And, I'm sure, they'd tell me that I was a kid and too young and lacking of common sense to understand why black people didn't deserve their rights.  They'd probably tell me that I was exagerrating, that I don't have the right to say what I would've been.

They'd be asking me to meekly state that I feel it's not a good thing.  They'd be trying to force me from speaking both my opinion and the truth.  By just saying that I just thought it wasn't a good thing.. that's different from saying that it's inhumanly monsterous.


if you were born in the south, in the days of slavery, to a plantation owner, you could very well be the one cracking the whip to the slaves because your mind would have been born in a totally different place, and would have formed opinions differently......

thats a silly argument-i know you can do better

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RE: Abortion - 10/8/2007 2:05:36 PM   
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wont go so far as to slam folks with high iq's, cause mines 145


Am I the only CM member who doesn't know his IQ?


Looks like it, mine is 147 lol


smartypants.....im taking the test again so i can get 2 more points


Have one of mine and we can be equal

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RE: Abortion - 10/8/2007 2:05:45 PM   
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Simply put, it's not murder. You think it is, but that's just your opinion, based on your own 'prejustices'...which you seem to think are objective truths.


It's ironic, telling me that my prejustices aren't valid when I say it's murder, but yours are when you say it is?

In any case, I asked her because she said she was ignoring the murder aspect.  I wouldn't ask you the same.  Instead, we'd go to the debate on if it's murder.

DesertRat, it's not good enough for me if you say it is and I say it isn't.  There are reasons behind things; things we can and should discuss to come to a reasonable conclusion.  If you'd like to pick up this decision, I'd be happy to.

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I, for one, don't ignore the "murder aspect". I just listen to your opinion and balance it with the opinions of others. Yours is no more or less valuable than anyone else's; it's just another opinion. You'll learn the difference between opinion and fact eventually, but probably not until you really need to.


Yeah.  Because I don't understand the difference.  You're making the assumption that I'm wrong, and that you know better.  Have you, perhaps, considered that I believe in discussing the reasonings instead of just accepting opinions at face value?

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RE: Abortion - 10/8/2007 2:08:49 PM   
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Yeah.  Because I don't understand the difference.  You're making the assumption that I'm wrong, and that you know better.  Have you, perhaps, considered that I believe in discussing the reasonings instead of just accepting opinions at face value?


i have seen no one on here tell you you were wrong.  you are the only one screaming folks are wrong.

i have seen folks say their opinion differs from yours.......theres a big difference.



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RE: Abortion - 10/8/2007 2:09:43 PM   
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If we lived in the American South, and people still kidnapped Africans for forced labor on plantations, being whipped to death in the fields, I'd tell them, too, that they were inhuman monsters.  And, I'm sure, they'd tell me that I was a kid and too young and lacking of common sense to understand why black people didn't deserve their rights.  They'd probably tell me that I was exagerrating, that I don't have the right to say what I would've been.

They'd be asking me to meekly state that I feel it's not a good thing.  They'd be trying to force me from speaking both my opinion and the truth.  By just saying that I just thought it wasn't a good thing.. that's different from saying that it's inhumanly monsterous.


if you were born in the south, in the days of slavery, to a plantation owner, you could very well be the one cracking the whip to the slaves because your mind would have been born in a totally different place, and would have formed opinions differently......


That's just it.  That's why opinions are stupid and we need to dicuss reasonings.

And, you know what?  Maybe, if I was born back then, I'd never have realized it was wrong.  But, if someone told me it was, I wouldn't say, "That's just your opinion."  I'd tell them to explain their reasonings to me, and I'd discuss mine with them.  And, after such a discussion, I'd adopt the new reasoning- which, in this case, would change my opinion.

Opinions are baseless without reason.

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thats a silly argument-i know you can do better


Ah, not silly at all!  It was a rather nice analogy.  They've basically been demanding I be quiet, saying it's all a matter of opinion, trying to discount mine due to my age, instead of debating it.  They hate my opinion because, if I'm right, it'd screw up something that they really like.

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RE: Abortion - 10/8/2007 2:12:35 PM   
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Yeah.  Because I don't understand the difference.  You're making the assumption that I'm wrong, and that you know better.  Have you, perhaps, considered that I believe in discussing the reasonings instead of just accepting opinions at face value?


i have seen no one on here tell you you were wrong.  you are the only one screaming folks are wrong.

i have seen folks say their opinion differs from yours.......theres a big difference.


You realize that, in the "snip", there was the backquote to the person who I was responding to, who said:
Simply put, it's not murder. You think it is, but that's just your opinion, based on your own 'prejustices'

It was in the very same post you were responding to.  But, please, point out to me where I said someone was wrong without having justifed the statement.  I'd like to see a reasoning that I've ignored.

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RE: Abortion - 10/8/2007 2:16:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not sure how YOU could "screw up something they like".  The law in the United States if very clear and there's no indication it's going to change regarding abortion any time soon.  The majority of the United States Supreme Court supports and recognizes as rights, freewill and the woman's right to decide.

If you shovel dirt into your logic, people are going to respond to the dirt.  If it's a logical debate on the merits you truly desire, I would suggest keeping the dirt out of it, which you have not done in this thread despite your assertations now that you want to debate on logic.  Everyone has a right to their opinion and honestly many posters here have dealt with the subject up close and intimately and struggled with it.  In response to their posts you shovel dirt.  Well sometimes you get what you ask for, that's just how it works.
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RE: Abortion - 10/8/2007 2:16:46 PM   
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If we lived in the American South, and people still kidnapped Africans for forced labor on plantations, being whipped to death in the fields, I'd tell them too, that they were inhuman monsters.  And, I'm sure, they'd tell me that I was a kid and too young and lacking of common sense to understand why black people didn't deserve their rights.  They'd probably tell me that I was exagerrating, that I don't have the right to say what I would've been.

They'd be asking me to meekly state that I feel it's not a good thing.  They'd be trying to force me from speaking both my opinion and the truth.  By just saying that I just thought it wasn't a good thing.. that's different from saying that it's inhumanly monsterous.


You'd tell them too?
So are you saying that i am an inhuman monster?
The word too implies you have said anyone who has an abortion is one.
Would you care to rephrase ?


You know, if I were having this discussion in that era.. and a slave owner happened to walk up and overhear, and ask me if I'd like to rephrase.. ..what would I do?  What would you do?

I could be nice, and patronize you, telling you I didn't mean it.  It'd be the social, civil thing to do.  Everyone would be happy, if I just made this one white lie.  Everyone on this thread would be pretty damn happy if I just said, "No, abortion isn't murder."  It wouldn't matter that all the reasoning has been against it and that I honestly just don't believe it.  People just want to be happy without having to actually think, and me saying that would allow them such.

Do you really want my answer?

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RE: Abortion - 10/8/2007 2:18:11 PM   
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RE: Abortion - 10/8/2007 2:19:07 PM   
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'm right, it'd screw up something that they really like.


I'm not sure how many people "really like" abortion. My hunch is that folks see it as a grim but sometimes necessary option.

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