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Real0ne -> RE: Six dead in US shooting spree (10/7/2007 10:13:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sundownhawk

In every segment of society there are those who are have mental problems or perhaps are emotionally on the edge and perhaps a breath away from snapping.
Oddly enough I saw several posts that did more than appear to slam the police in general when this disturbed person, who happened to be an officer, snapped.
Ultimately it was the police that had to "take out" this maniac. How do you think they will sleep tonight, or perhaps for years to come.
When was the last time you were in that same position?



right because if you or I would do it, it would be murder.  Thats home turf, there are plenty of people up there that could have taken him out.




came4U -> RE: Six dead in US shooting spree (10/7/2007 10:24:30 PM)

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while i agree with the poor taste to the max, i would never vote a thread removed because it is in bad taste.   Much better off to leave it run and let posting justice take its course.

Whats the differrence between a holocoust denier or the denial of any other tragic criminal act such as treasonous presidents who get our kids killed as an example?


The difference between a war and the picture being discussed is simply that it is horrific to view under any circumstances.  A pile of 'what that picture was' aka humans of unknown age, sex or nationality is not in any way necessary to make a point here for seriousness nor in jest.  If any current news agency posted similar pictures of any persons in the same limelight it would thankfully cause them to be bankrupt. We, as citizens have rightful access to such pictures through historical documents and there is certainly no place for them here. There is no point anyone could ever make to justify publishing these types of pictures on ANY website of any kind who's sole purpose is NOT affiliated with an official history of holocoust study or with history-teaching agenda.

There is a time and a place for deep and serious political discussion sessions, this place is not one of them.




Marc2b -> RE: Six dead in US shooting spree (10/7/2007 10:29:05 PM)

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uhh, why should they not remove a link that is so distasteful that it is wreckless to even have it noteworthy for a second round from the origional thread whereforth the nastiness came from.


In this particular case it would be obvious to anyone who saw the thread why it was pulled. However, I was talking in a more general sense. It is not always obvious why a thread is pulled. This happened to me a few months ago when a thread (I can’t remember it’s name) I was posting on was pulled. I believe it was because I and other posters were talking about illegal drugs we have used but I am not sure and remain unsure to this day.

All I’m saying is that it would be a nice courtesy of the Mods to give us a reason why, perhaps by posting an announcement in the Administrative Announcements section. It wouldn’t have to be a long, detailed, explanation. Just something like "the So and So thread in the Off-Topic Section was pulled due to the promotion of illegal drug use." In our current example, something like, "the Is This Funny thread in the Humor Section was pulled due to extremely poor taste."




came4U -> RE: Six dead in US shooting spree (10/7/2007 10:33:43 PM)

If you read the TOS, any claim of current (not past) *ie: saying 'I smoked some pot in 1979 vs, I am smoking up right now' illegal activity (drugs would be included in that subject) would be a violation.  Someone must have mentioned they are currently doing drugs in order for that thread to be pulled and removed.




Marc2b -> RE: Six dead in US shooting spree (10/7/2007 10:38:52 PM)

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while i agree with the poor taste to the max, i would never vote a thread removed because it is in bad taste. Much better off to leave it run and let posting justice take its course.

Whats the differrence between a holocoust denier or the denial of any other tragic criminal act such as treasonous presidents who get our kids killed as an example?


I don’t think this guy was a Holocaust denier – it looked like he was just getting his jollies off of it. As for letting "posting justice" run it’s course, I can see the case for that but I still think the thread was still in to much poor taste to leave up. As for the rest, this thread itself is starting to drift off topic, I see no need to start using it as a vehicle for more Bush bashing. There are plenty of other threads for that.




Marc2b -> RE: Six dead in US shooting spree (10/7/2007 10:41:29 PM)

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In every segment of society there are those who are have mental problems or perhaps are emotionally on the edge and perhaps a breath away from snapping.
Oddly enough I saw several posts that did more than appear to slam the police in general when this disturbed person, who happened to be an officer, snapped.
Ultimately it was the police that had to "take out" this maniac. How do you think they will sleep tonight, or perhaps for years to come.
When was the last time you were in that same position?


Huh?  Am I being accused of something here?  I'm not really sure what you're asking me?  I've never had to shoot anybody, thank God, but I don't see what that has to do with the dim bulb who was making light of the Holocaust. 




Marc2b -> RE: Six dead in US shooting spree (10/7/2007 10:45:51 PM)

It’s late. I’m going to bed. I’ll end tonight by saying that my thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and their families.




came4U -> RE: Six dead in US shooting spree (10/7/2007 10:56:37 PM)

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In every segment of society there are those who are have mental problems or perhaps are emotionally on the edge and perhaps a breath away from snapping.
Oddly enough I saw several posts that did more than appear to slam the police in general when this disturbed person, who happened to be an officer, snapped.
Ultimately it was the police that had to "take out" this maniac. How do you think they will sleep tonight, or perhaps for years to come.
When was the last time you were in that same position?


I understand your position in thinking some might react to a situation like this in behaving in a "Ah Ha!' rationality as if they want to justify a dislike for authority figures (perhaps of any kind??).

Yet, given that as citizens we are expected to be dutiful in exchanging our goods, services and respect through our assorted occupations.  Those that choose and are chosen to occupy such authority-based positions are expected to be lead and to follow a stricter sense of morality and a stronger sense of judgements by their peers and associates. 

When one teacher is a 'mr/misses bad-toucher' we must also question the entire school board, the entire system's foundation in handling hiring and policy. The questions include: Hiring processes, skills, previous board reviews (state to state, nationwide), complaints, current and past mental status/stresses that may or may not be cause of a future episode of distress to the very persons (youth or adult) that such person is and has access to dominate or guide. 

These persons take an oath (police, doctors, lawyers, teachers etc.) to abide by guidelines of higher moral-code.  I expect the people in these occupations to be 'more upstanding of an idividual' than others. When the few fail to do that, our shock turns to blame.  Firstly on the actual right-abuser then to the immediate officials who hire then to higher governement sources. 

    




Marc2b -> RE: Six dead in US shooting spree (10/7/2007 11:02:02 PM)

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If you read the TOS, any claim of current (not past) *ie: saying 'I smoked some pot in 1979 vs, I am smoking up right now' illegal activity (drugs would be included in that subject) would be a violation.  Someone must have mentioned they are currently doing drugs in order for that thread to be pulled and removed.


Opps!  Didn't mean to pass you by.  Yes, I do think that was the reason why it was pulled but like I said, it would be nice to officialy know why.

Okay, I really am going to bed now.




came4U -> RE: Six dead in US shooting spree (10/7/2007 11:03:20 PM)

is ok, I'm short.

and my shortass is going to sleepy tooooo!




winterlight -> RE: Six dead in US shooting spree (10/7/2007 11:11:18 PM)

Anybody that goes beserk and shoots people i feel for their family because they will get the brunt of the scrutiny etc.
I feel bad for the people that are shot, maimed, and killed for all the amount of stress that they have to go through. Their families have to go through it..

says a prayer..




Alumbrado -> RE: Six dead in US shooting spree (10/8/2007 1:25:12 AM)

Cops have been a significant part of the suicide epidemic for a long time... this particular one apparently chose 'suicide by other cop'.




Real0ne -> RE: Six dead in US shooting spree (10/8/2007 1:37:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Cops have been a significant part of the suicide epidemic for a long time... this particular one apparently chose 'suicide by other cop'.


i sort of doubt it was suicide.

It was love/emotional probably rage.  People actually black out when they are enraged and literally do not remember what they do.  esecially at that younger age.   The full story isnt in yet but the impression i got was that he sort of walked in it, not a premd thing.




sundownhawk -> RE: Six dead in US shooting spree (10/8/2007 2:45:18 AM)

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I understand your position in thinking some might react to a situation like this in behaving in a "Ah Ha!' rationality as if they want to justify a dislike for authority figures (perhaps of any kind??).

Yet, given that as citizens we are expected to be dutiful in exchanging our goods, services and respect through our assorted occupations. Those that choose and are chosen to occupy such authority-based positions are expected to be lead and to follow a stricter sense of morality and a stronger sense of judgements by their peers and associates.

When one teacher is a 'mr/misses bad-toucher' we must also question the entire school board, the entire system's foundation in handling hiring and policy. The questions include: Hiring processes, skills, previous board reviews (state to state, nationwide), complaints, current and past mental status/stresses that may or may not be cause of a future episode of distress to the very persons (youth or adult) that such person is and has access to dominate or guide.

These persons take an oath (police, doctors, lawyers, teachers etc.) to abide by guidelines of higher moral-code. I expect the people in these occupations to be 'more upstanding of an idividual' than others. When the few fail to do that, our shock turns to blame. Firstly on the actual right-abuser then to the immediate officials who hire then to higher governement sources. ORIGINAL: came4U
 
I could not agree more with your points. People in positions of trust are held to higher standards as they should be. I just believe it is unfair and unjust to paint all officers, as some have done here, as abusers and out of control power mongers. It also seems rather cowardly as well when coming from those who have never put their life on the line in that job.




pahunkboy -> RE: Six dead in US shooting spree (10/8/2007 4:47:55 AM)

Im thinking the fast food chicken place- where 4 were killed was the 1st public shooting of this flavor.   [they tore the place down]  the shock appreal isnt there as it was on the beginning.

now if a human head was decapitated- we would hear all about it. that still has shock appeal, in 2007




camille65 -> RE: Six dead in US shooting spree (10/8/2007 5:09:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: came4U

If you read the TOS, any claim of current (not past) *ie: saying 'I smoked some pot in 1979 vs, I am smoking up right now' illegal activity (drugs would be included in that subject) would be a violation.  Someone must have mentioned they are currently doing drugs in order for that thread to be pulled and removed.
There can be other reasons aside from drugs for a thread to be pulled. No drugs were involved unless the poster himself was currently on them, something that is very possible given his first post was:It was a photo of a mass grave with the 'wheres waldo' character added to the pile of bodies. He asked 'who thinks this is funny, I made it'.I'm glad too that the Mods pulled it. I wasn't sure if it was reportable so I didn't report it. The few times I have reported a thread I always ask if it is really something that should'nt be posted and I have never received an answer. About the lack of coverage on the OP story, I saw it on the news at noon and it was also on the CNN site hours before this post. I don't get how people can make jokes about this kind of stuff. The effects of that cops actions have hit many families and many friends. To make jokes IMO is a disrespectful slam on the innocent ones involved.




pahunkboy -> RE: Six dead in US shooting spree (10/8/2007 5:22:56 AM)

LE has a high % of suicides. incredably high.

[trying not to sound like a cheerlearder]  there are some good cops- with outstanding service. the $ they earn is not what you would think.

police science has its theories that the public isnt told about. [as do many professions]

$11.00 an hour. thats what they get paid here.  day after day those on the beat see the worst of humanity. domestic violence, and so on. week after week, month after month.

the drug laws are outdated.

the violent crminals incarcerated got there per law enforcement. so the community is a tad safer.

the judge, the DA, the attorneys..none of these players were in harms way...like the cop




KenDckey -> RE: Six dead in US shooting spree (10/8/2007 6:50:26 AM)

First I want to dispute the "commone sense" comment of Pulpsmak.  The accepted definition of common sense in  my industry is that common sense is based upon ones background and life's experiences.  So Whose common sense do we follow?   Who do we decide to appoint as Common Sense Grandmaster for the rest of us.

I believe the guns laws that we have are sufficient.  Unfortrunatley, I don't believe that they are adequately enforced.   Creating another law that won't be enforced will do nothing to protect society or anyone.

Second, disarming the police will only put leathal weapons in the hands of others and the incidence of police death through violent means will increase (my opinion).

Third, I belive that there are other comments that are not well thought out as to the consequence of the suggested action and would sugest that the sender rethink these.

Forth, The comments that it happens only in America I find funny.   On the media I see pictures time and again of children in other countries carrying weapons, killing at will with no consequence.  The facts just don't support the evidence.

I do not propose that I have the ultimate solution.  But I do feel that there is one out there.  I would hope thru logical analysis and purposeful action that someday we shall find that.

My 2 cents




came4U -> RE: Six dead in US shooting spree (10/8/2007 9:23:17 AM)

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'wheres waldo'


oo man, I must have looked at that picture sooo fast I missed seeing THAT. I saw the 'picture' and recognized it as one I had seen before and closed it probably in under a second.  EEssh waldo? that is in bad taste indeed. No, not funny at all.




pahunkboy -> RE: Six dead in US shooting spree (10/8/2007 9:28:03 AM)

if your post inappropriatly- YOU will be contacted...by one of the mods.  and yes- they will tell you what the problem is.

[yup- I have been told- I am no angel here]




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