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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/9/2007 10:10:20 AM   
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however it happens all the time

i'm considered a racist because i prefer white men over the black brothers. so be it.  my upbringing and personality would exclude me from meeting most black men  ...especially kink wise.




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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/9/2007 10:14:19 AM   
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personally, i have a physical attraction to bone structure, the skin its wrapped in doesn't make a whole lot of difference to me...and the people i end up in relationships with i'm not always physically attracted to so...physical attraction doesn't mean much to me...so...umm yea...

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/9/2007 10:26:44 AM   
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I've only been a member of this site for a few months at the most, but in that brief period of time, I think I've already learned that it is pretty difficult to have a real discussion of issues that touch on race (directly or tangentially) here.

I suppose that's not so surprising.  After all, the people on this site, including me, are just a microcosm of our society at large.  Even though we may feel or believe that we are different somehow than the rest of the society (i.e., more honest, more moral, more open, etc.), I think that the only thing that we really are "more" of than the rest of the society is more accepting of each other's individual kinks.  Other than that, we are conservative and liberal, smart and not-so-smart, open-minded and close-minded, in pretty much the same proportions as the rest of the society, even if we see ourselves otherwise.

But, when racial issues arise on the forums, pretty much all you will hear, in my experience, is "Color makes no difference to me," "I dont' care about color--I care about the individual," or "I don't see color," which I personally find to be--how shall I say it?--less than candid.

How does race play itself out here?  In my humble (or not so humble) opinion, there are more opportunities here for whites than blacks.  That is, in some sense, a result of the fact that there are so many more whites here than blacks.  But I think that part of the reason that there are so many more whites here than blacks is the fact that there are more opportunities here for whites than blacks.

Just as an example:  Some significant portion (and I don't mean some small portion) of the black female submissives here are specifically looking for white male Doms (I have no idea what the black male submissives are looking for, because I don't read their profiles).  On the other hand, I can't say that I've seen a significant portion of the white female submissives on here that are specifically looking for black male Doms.  So, it seems to me that white male Doms have more submissives to choose from (white female and black female submissives)--and therefore more opportunities--than black male Doms do.

So, how do I feel about interracial D/s relationships?  I'd like to say that "I don't see color," but that would be a lie.  I do.  I recognize that racial differences play a large part in the sexual fantasies of many people, so it isn't surprising that racial differences are a big turn-on for a lot of people on this site, and it isn't surprising that they want to explore that sexual dynamic in their D/s relationships.

On the other hand, I also think that the ordinary power relationships of the vanilla society play themselves out in the D/s community, and I think that disadvantages black people here.  Many, I'm sure, will disagree with that position.

If it were truly a matter of simple individual preference, and nothing else, that didn't systematically disadvantage one group in relation to another, I can't say that I'd care at all.  But I don't think it is actually that way.  So, I guess I do care.

I would love to include a personal rant about "race-play" ("white man, beat me and call me Nigger"), but I'll save that for my own post.



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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/9/2007 10:30:47 AM   
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i saw the OP not as what does one prefer as far as personal relationships but rather people who specifically seek out interracial relationships as their specific kink.  Could be wrong, but that's my interpretation.  i can't really add much because it's not my kink, anything i say would be speculation on my part.  

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/9/2007 10:34:53 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: velvetears

i saw the OP not as what does one prefer as far as personal relationships but rather people who specifically seek out interracial relationships as their specific kink.  Could be wrong, but that's my interpretation.  i can't really add much because it's not my kink, anything i say would be speculation on my part.  

Yep...that was my take on it...and I also don't share that kink so I'm not much help ....


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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/9/2007 10:46:51 AM   
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Well it also depends on where you are looking. I have noticed quite a few of white female subs looking for black male doms.  And plus alot of people avoid this topic because it is a very sensetive one.  My 1st post on this I went over it quite a bit and went back and forth about whether or not I should post it.

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/9/2007 10:58:19 AM   
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i tend to prefer Xbox over Playstation and i can't explain why.. it is just my preference.  i dont believe a preference is raciest at all.  What ever you love you love and you love it just because you do.  Being a raciest to me is totally different than having and expressing your preferences. 

Only recently have i even been able to concieve mentally serving a Black Mistress.  If You had asked me just 30 days ago i would told You my preference was to serve White Mistresses only.  it took some time for me to weed through all that stuff from childhood until now to retrain my mind to think differently.  It took a few Mistresses who are my friends, who talked to me in details about it and that helped me open up and to more accepting. 

Why?.. some of it was idealistic, some of it was fantasy, some of it was hurt feelings from childhood but the main drive of that preference was based on how i was treated by White Women from childhood to adult, what i learned how we interacted.  It was in essence how i was raised to be able to appreciate other cultures i was exposed to many things except for my own culture, that came as an adult.  My father didn't want me to be bias like he was towards white people.  We are the same him and i except for race issues.  He says he did a good job on me except that i dont embrace my own kind and i always tell him my own kind never embraced me because i was so different from them besides the skin color.  Well the thing is that in itself is a stereotype because there are plenty who look like me and are like me on the inside too.  So my preference for a White Mistress was not a fantasy, it wasn't a sex thing, it was because i felt respected by them and i respected them on multiple levels we clicked and for me it was just natural.

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/9/2007 11:26:44 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SirEbonyPhoenix

 Any thoughts on this topic?


The first thing that pops into my mind is that I am often wearing a blindfold, so the color of the flogger doesn't make a rats ass bit of difference. Do you have power? Do you make me want to drop to my knees and worship the ground you walk on? Does your voice make me tremble? Do you know how to pull hair? Are you going to let me stick my needles in you or not?

No offense to anyone here, but when I'm not wearing my glasses, I'm legally blind and people look like blobs to me (or as one of my favorite Star Trek sayings is parapharased: Ugly bags of mostly water), no matter how thin or fat they are, no matter what they 'really' look like, I can't differentiate between humans. I'm lucky if I can identify your gender because even if you have boobs, your body still looks like a big blob to me.  Even with my glasses my vision is not correctable to 'normal' range. So, maybe you're a blob with a different shade to you.. you're still all blobs to me (which is why screwy font and slashy speak really fucks with me).

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/9/2007 11:35:24 AM   
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i guess i fall into the catagory of the type of person the OP was refering to.
as for me, yes, i am "looking" for a White Dom.  why?  because i am attracted to White Men.  that is not to say, i do not find Black Men attractive either.  i do!  and 95% of the men i have dated in my life have been black.  the reason being, thoes are the men who have always aproached me.  and i have had some wonderful LOVING, relationships with Black Men.   i love Black Men!  my son is black, and guess what, he will be a Black Man one day.  lol  :)  
if i were to meet a Black Dom, and he had all the other qualities i was looking for, i would be extatic.  but that is not what i'm "looking" for right now in my life.  i want to explore other options   :)  such as, i don't know if the whole race-play thing would work with a Black Dom.   then again, it's not something i HAVE to have, just something i like.  :)   i don't feel bad because at this time, that is my preference.  just like some like the way dark hair looks verses blonde hair.  or vice versa.  
i'm sure there are plenty of people out there who chose to date only within their race.  do i view them as racist?  some probably are, yes, but i've been arround enough people of different races to know better than to assume they ALL are. 



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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/9/2007 11:35:57 AM   
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And don't fuck with Celeste or she will stick her needles into ya!!!

Stay away from me with those damned needles.......I promise to never do slashy speak.....


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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/9/2007 2:46:53 PM   
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I hope that was tongue-in-cheek!

I hardly think that a preference for X-Box over Playstation even remotely compares to uniformly preferring a white mistress over a black one.

I, for one, have such a problem with black people who seek out whites for initimacy, love, affection, friendship or whatever to the exclusion of other blacks.  Inherent in such a position is the theory or belief that somehow whites possess something (usually something of value) that blacks don't.  Uniformly favoring whites over blacks in the belief that whites are somehow "better" (better Doms, better Masters, better submissives, better Mistresses, or whatever) is, to me, racist, pure and simple!

If an employer hired an all-white workforce because hiring whites was his "preference," he'd be just as liable for racially discriminatory hiring as if his hiring was motivated by the rankest racism.  And he should be.



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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/9/2007 2:51:03 PM   
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quote:

If an employer hired an all-white workforce because hiring whites was his "preference," he'd be just as liable for racially discriminatory hiring as if his hiring was motivated by the rankest racism. And he should be.

Right-on....but as for personally preference like for dating and stuff...different ball game...I don't think being physically attracted to one race or another makes someone racist.


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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/9/2007 2:57:09 PM   
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If the only way people can discuss this is to boil it down to "personal preference," then why bother talking about it?

A personal "preference" for one racial group over another (particularly for another racial group over one's own) is not the same as a personal preference for short over tall; blonde over brunette; fat over skinny, or any other dichotomy in America.

Race is unique.  It's simply different.

People aren't and haven't been oppressed (disadvantaged, maybe, but not oppressed) because they were short, tall, blonde, brunette, skinny, or fat.

It's one thing to say "It's my preference, so leave me alone about it," which doesn't advance the discussion much.  But saying a racial preference is like a preference for a hair color is just incorrect.

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/9/2007 2:57:58 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Blaakmaan

I hope that was tongue-in-cheek!

I hardly think that a preference for X-Box over Playstation even remotely compares to uniformly preferring a white mistress over a black one.

I, for one, have such a problem with black people who seek out whites for initimacy, love, affection, friendship or whatever to the exclusion of other blacks.  Inherent in such a position is the theory or belief that somehow whites possess something (usually something of value) that blacks don't.  Uniformly favoring whites over blacks in the belief that whites are somehow "better" (better Doms, better Masters, better submissives, better Mistresses, or whatever) is, to me, racist, pure and simple!

If an employer hired an all-white workforce because hiring whites was his "preference," he'd be just as liable for racially discriminatory hiring as if his hiring was motivated by the rankest racism.  And he should be.





This is theoretical non sense. Are you open to a male submissive or a dominant of any gender because if you are not you are clearly just being discriminatory.

I think your biggest problem in finding someone on here is not the color of your skin but the fact you are married.

People often are frustrated at their lack of finding someone always seems to find ways to not look in the mirror but to just lash outward.

You have preferences, they are in your profile, generally you should respect others and not to judge them in a right or wrong way.




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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/9/2007 2:58:09 PM   
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Honestly as much as Blaakmaan wouldn't believe it, I truly am colorblind.  I am unlikely to notice race on a profile unless the person points it out.  I don't care what color a person is, pink, green, black, red, orange...as long as they are a decent human being with whom I have things in common and I feel comfortable with. That's not all that easy to find here, unfortunately, limiting yourself to one race or restricting certain races cuts out the small amount of decent people you encounter.
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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/9/2007 2:59:03 PM   
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I would love to share my experience on this issue; however, I have made a vow to myself to never discuss race, religion, abortion and politics on this site again.

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/9/2007 3:16:47 PM   
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quote:

A personal "preference" for one racial group over another (particularly for another racial group over one's own) is not the same as a personal preference for short over tall; blonde over brunette; fat over skinny, or any other dichotomy in America.

Actually...this is exactly as I view it...I simply prefer one over the other.... I certainly can't speak for America, but I do know racism is old...it needs to go away. There just isn't any place for it in a thinking society.


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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/9/2007 3:19:12 PM   
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got my response confused with another thread..moved it 


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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/9/2007 3:26:09 PM   
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*shrug*

I don't look down on anyone for dating interracially.  It's just not something I do personally.  Don't see why it's such a big deal what other people are attracted to physically.

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/9/2007 3:29:34 PM   
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Agreed...

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