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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/9/2007 8:19:49 PM   
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I don't care about race etc. I just want to be treated well. The same goes for me towards Him..

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/9/2007 9:23:06 PM   
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Blaakmaan,

I'm more in line with Your way of thinking.  One post in general actually had Me feeling sorry for him but was also happy to see, he was able to get past his issue with African American Dommes.

W/we are who W/we are because of O/our experiences and because of O/our inner workings.  Some may ask how are W/we when W/we're born---the script is already written or is the slate clean? 

It's a proven fact that racism is a learned behavior and this fact is My reason for agreeing with You.

When it's a direct preference to be with or not be with S/someone because of Y/your learned behavior without attempts to change Y/your viewpoint by expanding Y/your is choosing to remain a racist.

Interestingly enough, most of My submissives are/have been white.  Their reasons vary but the main reason I'm given is because I'm the One that met what they were seeking in a Domme.

one in particular said he will only serve an African-American Domme and that was based on his experiences.  In this situation, it isn't a preference based solely on race. 

In a nutshell---there lies the difference.

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/9/2007 9:25:41 PM   
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Great topic. I'm black and I have played with women of all races. For me, it's not race, ethnicity or religion, it's attitude. I'm attracted to people with adventuresome attitudes.  I used to be bothered by rejection, but these days, if someone doesn't want to play with me, it's their loss. 

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/10/2007 5:20:02 AM   
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quote:

When it's a direct preference to be with or not be with S/someone because of Y/your learned behavior without attempts to change Y/your viewpoint by expanding Y/your is choosing to remain a racist.

But what if its not?...what if you truly are not attracted to certain features etc....are you STILL racist?....At what point are you deemed not racist and just going with your own personal preferences?


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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/10/2007 7:21:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Blaakmaan

I hope that was tongue-in-cheek!

I hardly think that a preference for X-Box over Playstation even remotely compares to uniformly preferring a white mistress over a black one.

I, for one, have such a problem with black people who seek out whites for initimacy, love, affection, friendship or whatever to the exclusion of other blacks.  Inherent in such a position is the theory or belief that somehow whites possess something (usually something of value) that blacks don't.  Uniformly favoring whites over blacks in the belief that whites are somehow "better" (better Doms, better Masters, better submissives, better Mistresses, or whatever) is, to me, racist, pure and simple!


If that belief is based solely on the idea of skin color...you are right.  However, all of us have been brought up in whatever microcosm of society we sprang from.  Inherent in our make-up are the beliefs of those around us and whatever outside influences we have been exposed to and how much thinking and processing we have done with these beliefs and influences.  Some black men and women may believe that they have more in common with people of the white race or other races than they do with members of their own race.  Many black women have complained about the lack of integrity/ambition/strength/character of many black men and so, they seek out white men.  Is that racism or simply a recognition of what they believe because they have found it to be true in their world and as such, are expressing a preference for white (or other race) males.  Many white women decry the lack of ambition, strength, character, aggression, what-have-you among white men and so they seek out black (or other race) men.  Again, while it is not true across the board, they have found it to be true in THEIR world.  Many black men decry the aggressive attitude and lack of respect of black women for black men and so these men seek out white women that do not display this attitude.  Many white men decry the aggressive attitude or money-hungry ways or lack of sexual interest or lack of submission of white women and so they seek out black women.  Again in these two situations, it is not true across the board and instead, is a broad generalization taken from their world and applied broadly to society but, it IS their world.  Is this seeking out of a different race a form of racism then?  Or is it a recognition that in their world and their belief system, someone of the same race does not fit?

Now, you would not deny that while there are white people who see all others of a different race as inferior that there are indeed white people who do not, would you?  But just as surely, you would not deny that while there are black people who see no differences in the races there are indeed black people who see themselves as superior to white people or feel ground down upon solely due to their color?  When these thoughts are stemming mainly from sort of belief that the color is the deciding factor with other factors having little influence, then that indeed is racism.{/quote]

quote:

If an employer hired an all-white workforce because hiring whites was his "preference," he'd be just as liable for racially discriminatory hiring as if his hiring was motivated by the rankest racism.  And he should be.


Indeed.  But we are talking personal preferences here...not legal, workforce-oriented issues.  They are two different arenas.  One is governed by law and should be.  The other is not and thank God (or who have you) for that.

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/10/2007 8:43:57 AM   
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In the end it doesn't really matter whether or not something is a personal preference.  The fact is that there will be some who are attracted to you. (speaking generally.) some who won't. And there will be a variety of reasons for both.  Someone who isn't attracted to me,  it could be because they are gay. or bi and only attracted to Dominant men. It could be that I am a switch. or pagan or unitarian universalist or that I live in a Jewish neighborhood or that I have blue eyes and light brown hair. or or or or or or or or or or or.  What you like is what you like.  What I like is what I like.  Someone here asked when is it preference and when is it racism? or any other ism for that matter.  whites have been called racists for choosing their own race to be with, what about black people who do the same? what about same race, different cultures such as Orthodox Jewish?  I grew up with the definition of racism as being someone who saw another person of a different race to be beneath them, 2nd class.  Someone who chooses to believe that because they were [full in the blank] they aren't smart or whatever society has stereotyped them as, with out getting to know them.  Am I being closeminded for preferring those that are white? Maybe. what about wanting to have a Mistress instead of a Master? what about wanting a male sub/switch instead of Dom/switch?  lol  I could go on and on.  But the bottom line is, is that I have picked what parts are important to me,(requirements.) and then there are preferences.

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/10/2007 9:31:38 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: OnyxGoddess

Why do we always have to do the black and white thing?  There are more "other" interracial mixes than there are black and white.  Can we get someone on here doing the Mexican Italian thing or the French Russian thing?  Shyza.  Hell, any OTHER racial mix.  I don't care.  Long as he is willing and I'm attracted the skin tone is like the eye color...just part of their genetic makeup.  My preference is tall men with muscles.  Your color means dick.

THANK YOU for saying this.

I've stayed out of this conversation only because it always seemed to be black/white even though I realize that the larger minority (out of minorities) in BDSM are probably black...... Maybe I'll creep in now.




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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/10/2007 9:37:29 AM   
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People have personal preferences, some prefer those in their race others don't.  That doesn't make them a racist though we know some people are racists. We all have beliefs.  We all stereotype even if we don't mean too (me included).  We all get offended at others based on racial situations if it's the Jena 6 (too complex to talk about here) or if it's race play (something I enjoy doing).  I grew up where it was racially mixed (as  a US Air Force Brat). And we embraced slang of urban culture and some of us dated inside our race others dated outside of our race.  I'd say at least 40 percent of those I grew up with were bi racial (either japanese and another race or various races).  I was really sheltered about race until I hit the Southeast in my mid 20s.

We are all products of our enviroment and act as such.  I know there are times when a submissive/slave of a different race approaches me, I do ask about the interracial aspect.  I probably shouldn't but I do.  I also admit that when a black woman contacts me about BDSM that I discuss race as well especially because some of the play I'm fond of.

All and all this thread really did stay on point and that's a credit to all of you because you know how "racial" threads can go

Happy Wedensday,
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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/10/2007 9:53:00 AM   
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I grew up in a beach town where we were all tan as nuts, so I gravitate, and feel the pull of attraction towards people with darker skin.  It's not a black thing for me, it's a tannish skin thing.
I also like 'unconventional' beauty, whether it is in a man or a woman. Barbie and ken doll look-alikes usually turn me off.
The OP asked us how we 'feel'.
I feel like I am attracted to kind, smart, funny, gifted people for D/s. 'Color' isn't a kink for me. A sub that has the above character attributes will win my heart and my attention.
 
IMO: Rasicm sucks and has no place in a logical world.
 
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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/10/2007 1:12:28 PM   
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Really?  Interesting theory...

I guess pretty much anything "may be."

It also may be that what the "black person seeks" is what white men have in greater abundance than other men: wealth, power, and what goes with it.  May be that's the "independence" you're talking about.

Or it just may be that what the "black person seeks" is whiteness, pure and simple.

A white woman who is willing to date outside of her race gets my attention.  So?  I just don't see a lot of them.  On here or in the vanilla world.

I don't consider black women who are enamored of white men to be "independent thinkers." Lots of them just like (worship?) white.

If a willingness to date outside of one's race is the mark of an "independent thinker," then Asian women, who marry outside of their race at a far greater proportion than any others, must be the most independent thinkers of all.

And I kinda doubt that...

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/10/2007 1:20:30 PM   
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Yeah, so be it...

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/10/2007 1:25:14 PM   
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Not even dealing with your "arguments" again...

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/10/2007 1:38:07 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Blaakmaan

Yeah, so be it...

i hate to "diss" on you black brothers however you black men don't have anything to offer this black woman in what she was seeking out of a relationship

according to your theory, that makes me a racist ...what-frickin'-ever. i'll enjoy my new status as "too white" for my own race


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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/10/2007 1:38:36 PM   
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If you believe that there are "VERY few black submissives who would consider a relationship with a white Dominant," you aren't looking on this site!

I could easily locate five or six in about 5 minutes!

For some reason, it seems that if a black female submissive has "black" or "chocolate" or "ebony" or something of the sort in her profile name, it's more likely that she's looking for a white dominant.  (OK, I didn't say every black female submissive with a profile name like that is looking for a white dominant, so please don't say I did!).

And, once again, "Come over here, you TALL woman" or "Tell me you're my BROWN EYED submissive" is not similar, in any way, to what's said in race play simply because "TALL" and "BROWN EYED" are in no way comparable to "NIGGER."  At all.

You can call me tall and brown eyed (I am both), but don't try the other.

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/10/2007 1:40:22 PM   
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lets take that challenge, we will go off the boards and go mail and you show me how that works and I will show you poofters as fast as you show them. Blaakmaan, the reality is skinny out there.

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edited because I can't spell Blaakmaan's name.  Too Finn for me. 

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/10/2007 2:07:28 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: breatheasone

quote:

When it's a direct preference to be with or not be with S/someone because of Y/your learned behavior without attempts to change Y/your viewpoint by expanding Y/your is choosing to remain a racist.

But what if its not?...what if you truly are not attracted to certain features etc....are you STILL racist?....At what point are you deemed not racist and just going with your own personal preferences?

Good point..In My post I said if that choice is soley based on race. I tend to think at times attraction is a chemical thing for lack of a better way to put it.  In the vanilla world I've dated men that most would consider less than attractive but there was "something" about them that drew me to them.  On the flip side of the coin, there were men that could grace the cover of GQ but had little or no attraction for me.  Go figure...  Yes, there are some features that I am not particularly "attracted" to but I don't shun anyone because of it.

I'm not limiting my possibilities of a relationship by automatically  rejecting those I'm not inclined to being attracted to.  I admit attraction to the "bad boy"  (let Me at em) but I'm not one to let the "nice guys" finish last.

We all need to lighten up on this one.  We like what we like whatever the reason.  W/we seek what pleases U/us.

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/10/2007 2:13:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Blaakmaan

If the only way people can discuss this is to boil it down to "personal preference," then why bother talking about it?

Because to do otherwise is to make a whole lot of generalisations which aren't very helpful!

A personal "preference" for one racial group over another (particularly for another racial group over one's own) is not the same as a personal preference for short over tall; blonde over brunette; fat over skinny, or any other dichotomy in America.

Race is unique.  It's simply different.

Sorry, from a biological standpoint, there's more variation within any one of the so-called "races" than there is between them. Biologically speaking, it's a moot point, races are no longer considered. Ethnicities and cultural groups are, and there's a lot more of them than the traditional races. And they are considered biologically for practical reasons such as to study migration of genes, to repatriate remains appropriately etc. Boiling it down to black and white ignores all the shades between! You might choose to see race as unique and different ... I think that speaks more of your racism than of anyone else's.

People aren't and haven't been oppressed (disadvantaged, maybe, but not oppressed) because they were short, tall, blonde, brunette, skinny, or fat.

BULLSHIT! Try getting a job as a fat person. Try buying clothes. Try ordering dessert and having a waitress bang it down in front of you and saying loudly "You shouldn't be eating that". Try hearing all the negative remarks that are made just behind your back but within earshot. Frankly, I'd rather be called nigger than fatso, because I couldn't be expected to change the colour of My skin so that insult would bounce off, whereas people mistakenly believe that fat is all about diet and exercise (and if it was, I wouldn't still be fat!). Being fat (or old ... ageism is very much alive and well!) ... is today's form of "slavery" in terms of oppression.

It's one thing to say "It's my preference, so leave me alone about it," which doesn't advance the discussion much.  But saying a racial preference is like a preference for a hair color is just incorrect.

Well maybe it's not to you ... but you can't speak for the others out there any more than they can speak for you. Looking at My longterm partners people could assume I am racist ... all 3 of them have been white with brown hair and ... well I can't remember their eye colours so obviously I'm not racist on that! Yet in between I have considered a very dark Indian slave and had a Chinese male sub ... and their colours meant diddly-squat to Me! What mattered was how good a "fit" W/we were in terms of D/s ... the Indian boy reneged, the Chinese boy was too young to be a keeper, and W/we both knew that from the start ... but it was a lovely time of mutual exploration and I am so pleased he has found a Domme closer to his age who also happens to share his ethnicity (though that was more luck than deliberately seeking!). Here in Australia there aren't too many black Americans so I'm not likely to seek one out, I'd be waiting a LONG time! And as yet I've not met any Aboriginal submissives ... if I did, it wouldn't be an issue unless s/he made it one ... and if they did, that would be more likely to put Me off than attract Me. The bigger gulf would be the cultural differences such as worldviews, style of speech and humour, lack of shared past experiences etc.



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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/10/2007 2:19:08 PM   
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Fat people are discriminated against, too.

No doubt...

Still not the same, though...

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/10/2007 2:21:44 PM   
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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/10/2007 2:24:08 PM   
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Well, racism is harmful and hurtful!

There ya go...

[Anytime anyone talks about race, they have a problem???
What in the world to say to that...?]

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