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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/12/2007 2:28:14 AM   
julietsierra


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ORIGINAL: Blaakmaan

I don't speak for anybody but me, but I am black, proud of that fact, and love black women and black people as a whole.  My posts reflect those facts.

THE END



See, I love the man. He happens to be African American. I'm not color blind. I respect his cultural heritage and experiences because we are all products of our own cultural heritage and experiences, and he's one fine man. I'm grateful to the people who came before him because they are all a part of who he is. I can wish he hadn't (and continues to have) some of the experiences he's told me about but even those have been important in the man he became.

Hmm... For that matter, I'm proud of the people who came before me, because they are all a part of me too. I can recognize the experiences I've had that have made me who I am as well. 

The amount of melanin in our skin really is of no consequence when it comes to this relationship.

And to badly imbed what Dr. Martin Luther King Jr once said, I didn't choose him, I didn't judge him based on the color of his skin. I did all that based on his character - which is how I wish we all were judged/chosen, etc.

yea yea, I live in a pollyanna world. But I LIKE my world.

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/12/2007 5:37:18 AM   
MrMister


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ORIGINAL: Blaakmaan

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ORIGINAL: MrMister

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

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ORIGINAL: Blaakmaan

Black men do not, as a rule, lack "integrity/ambition/strength/character" any more than any other men.

Much as it pains me to admit it, white men do not, as a rule, lack "ambition, strength, character, aggression, [or] what-have-you" any more than any other men.

To tar so broad a group with so broad a brush is quintessential racism.

Racism is racism.  You can be racist in your world, but you're still racist...

And, more to my original point (waaay back when), those "broad brush" stereotypes cut more in favor of white men than anybody.  Therefore, they benefit more from those stereotypes than anybody.

As is amply reflected right here on CM.


I find it ironic that a black man comes forth complaining about racism and racist attitudes and yet comes forth with the two statements I have put in bold above...

Like it or not, racism exists.  So do many other problems.  You can whine and bitch about it but sooner or later, you have to examine what your whining and bitching get you.  I can just about guarantee you that coming in to a group to which you paid no fees to join, which did not discriminate against you during the entry process and which could care less how you identify...be it submissive, dominant, bottom, top, switch...and then with one of your first threads begin griping about how things in here are skewed towards the white man's favor will certainly not earn you much in the way of an accepting attitude.


This is an absolute truth CD and so very sad to see, particularly on a site such a CM.

Some folks will simply never grasp the big picture and will continue to cling to these biases and prejudices until they draw their very last breath.

Truly is so very distressing and saddens me deeply.



Perhaps one day you Enlightened Ones can lead my "biased and prejudiced" self out of the darkness and into the light.

Oh, I forgot!

I'm not a submissive.  I don't follow!

Nevermind...


Unfortunately, this is something you will have to do yourself and in your on time, as I have no doubt you are an intelligent individual and fully comprehend why it is that no one else can force us to make such a change regardless of our status in life, or this lifestyle. It must come from within.

Furthermore, I most assuredly do not know you and cannot determine from such a brief exchange whether or not you truly are “biased and prejudiced”, but you certainly do know yourself if in fact you are honest about it (this applies to each and every one of us). Sometimes it just takes another person pointing such a thing out in order for us to realize that there may be something wrong.

One other fact to make mention of here is that there is absolutely nothing wrong with being proud of one’s culture and heritage. As a matter of fact, more people should be. However, we should not be offensive or insulting to any other person, race, society, etc, in doing so.

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/12/2007 7:15:23 AM   
sambamanslilgirl


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i must really struck a nerve and dent since you continue to enjoy using my quotes while thumping your chest - will have to start charging you from now on.


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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/12/2007 7:48:02 AM   
xoxi


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I think I'm understanding a bit more where you're coming from now BM.  I am white but I had the same experience except in the other direction.

I went to a Catholic HS for 3 years that was about 15% black.  And the black girls I knew there, to use the awful phrase so commonly accepted, "acted white."  They were middle class suburban girls who spoke proper English (or as close to it as a teenage girl can get LOL), made the honor roll, and got all giggly and nervous at the thought of going past 3rd base or stealing one of mommy's wine coolers.

Then when I was 17...for reasons I will keep private I lived in DCFS sponsored group homes.  In the ghetto.  15th and Pulaski and Kedzie and Ogden for those of you familiar with Chicago.  Also 68th and Ashland.  I got stopped by cops once a week asking if I was buying drugs.  I was quite literally the only whitegirl in a 20 block radius and to top it off I was gothy/punky as well.

At first it was quite a surprise...seeing 'stereotypes' come to life...hearing gunshots and wondering if anyone was going to 'bust a cap' in me   But even then....after a few weeks I made friends.  The group home I lived in had 10 minute phone restrictions so I would go down to the corner store to use the pay phone in their lobby and spend 2 hours talking to my man.  So all the drug dealers started to know me and called me the wicked witch of the west side because of how I dressed...I suppose it kinda helped that at the time I smoked weed   

Anyway this story has 2 morals...1 is that 'stereotypes' are human too, and some of the gang bangers I met (not the ones out on the street hustling but the ones who they answered to) were intelligent, witty, fun people.  Yeah I was attracted to some of them...wouldn't date them cuz I don't do conjugal visits but the attraction was there...I'm attracted to dominance and these men definitely had that.  And 2 is there is no 'black culture' that defines everyone.  The black girls I knew when I was 14 were NOT the black girls I knew when I was 17....and they in turn weren't the black women I knew when I was 21...my friend Stephanie comes to mind...she is the epitome of the "strong fierce black woman" - a drop dead gorgeous real estate agent who kicks back in a studded belt, jeans and adidas on the weekend.  She's not a ghetto chick though believe me she could hold her own anywhere....she's just an awesome person.

And I am infinitely jealous cuz all she has to do is put her hair on in the morning and never has a bad hair day.  Bitch.

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/12/2007 8:59:12 AM   
Blaakmaan


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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

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Perhaps one day you Enlightened Ones can lead my "biased and prejudiced" self out of the darkness and into the light.

Oh, I forgot!

I'm not a submissive. I don't follow!


You don't follow.

You don't lead.

You don't listen.

Besides vomiting the same tired screeds again and again and again ad nauseum, what do you do?



Well, one thing I do is ignore people who spout platitudes without substance.

Like yourself...

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/12/2007 9:14:30 AM   
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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/12/2007 9:47:42 AM   
unsung


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Status: offline 		I make reference to this discussion not on the exchange between black and white, but between myself and my culture.  I am racist in the fact I will not date or even consider exploring any form of intimate exchange with anyone of the same cultural background.  Why?  Because I see the weaknesses, I see the flaws I am unwilling to openingly accept however I do embrace my heritage and am proud of what our peoples have done to advance in society although still along way to go until they are on par with the norm.  My preference to intimate exchange is however skewed by the racist undertones I carry.

For me each individual is different, I have never considered a relationship with a black person per say, I have alot of regard with the obstacles that the culture has had to overcome and continues to build its momentum at overcoming.  My observation though is that through my conditioning I have been trained to accept people and their differences, not necessarily embrace their lifestyle aka culture.  In that although I can clearly state I do not identify as a racist, because of the former the later would suggest that I clearly am; the former being superficial for the most part.  My introspect is this, that until we as people actually assimilate into the culture of others will never fully embrace it or fully accept it as being what it is but remain to blanket our ignorance with other terms, disguises that do nothing but provide our own protect deceptions.

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/12/2007 10:05:27 AM   
Blaakmaan


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ORIGINAL: sambamanslilgirl

interesting

i must really struck a nerve and dent since you continue to enjoy using my quotes while thumping your chest - will have to start charging you from now on.



If you wanna think so, go right ahead.  No harm done.

But tell me, how much do you charge??? [smile]

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/12/2007 10:08:51 AM   
Blaakmaan


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ORIGINAL: xoxi

*nods*

I think I'm understanding a bit more where you're coming from now BM.  I am white but I had the same experience except in the other direction.

I went to a Catholic HS for 3 years that was about 15% black.  And the black girls I knew there, to use the awful phrase so commonly accepted, "acted white."  They were middle class suburban girls who spoke proper English (or as close to it as a teenage girl can get LOL), made the honor roll, and got all giggly and nervous at the thought of going past 3rd base or stealing one of mommy's wine coolers.

Then when I was 17...for reasons I will keep private I lived in DCFS sponsored group homes.  In the ghetto.  15th and Pulaski and Kedzie and Ogden for those of you familiar with Chicago.  Also 68th and Ashland.  I got stopped by cops once a week asking if I was buying drugs.  I was quite literally the only whitegirl in a 20 block radius and to top it off I was gothy/punky as well.

At first it was quite a surprise...seeing 'stereotypes' come to life...hearing gunshots and wondering if anyone was going to 'bust a cap' in me   But even then....after a few weeks I made friends.  The group home I lived in had 10 minute phone restrictions so I would go down to the corner store to use the pay phone in their lobby and spend 2 hours talking to my man.  So all the drug dealers started to know me and called me the wicked witch of the west side because of how I dressed...I suppose it kinda helped that at the time I smoked weed   

Anyway this story has 2 morals...1 is that 'stereotypes' are human too, and some of the gang bangers I met (not the ones out on the street hustling but the ones who they answered to) were intelligent, witty, fun people.  Yeah I was attracted to some of them...wouldn't date them cuz I don't do conjugal visits but the attraction was there...I'm attracted to dominance and these men definitely had that.  And 2 is there is no 'black culture' that defines everyone.  The black girls I knew when I was 14 were NOT the black girls I knew when I was 17....and they in turn weren't the black women I knew when I was 21...my friend Stephanie comes to mind...she is the epitome of the "strong fierce black woman" - a drop dead gorgeous real estate agent who kicks back in a studded belt, jeans and adidas on the weekend.  She's not a ghetto chick though believe me she could hold her own anywhere....she's just an awesome person.

And I am infinitely jealous cuz all she has to do is put her hair on in the morning and never has a bad hair day.  Bitch.



I liked your post.

It brought a smile to my face.

And for those of you who may not think so, be it known that I can actually smile!

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/12/2007 5:16:59 PM   
EbonyPhoenix68


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ORIGINAL: ModeratorEleven

Ok folks, enough.

XI

I agree with you, Moderator Eleven. This topic has deteriorated into a soap opera and as such, I am going to ask that no more comments be posted on this thread. If it continues, I'm going to ask Moderator Eleven to delete this thread in its entirety. Thank you and have a SSC weekend.

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/12/2007 5:22:20 PM   
Lordandmaster


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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/12/2007 5:28:12 PM   
DarkDaddyZ


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Is there ever a thread about race that doesn't devolve into a shouting match?

Is there ever any in America?

Seriously
Not speaking for other countries but us who live in the US are part of the country.

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/12/2007 5:30:21 PM   
mnottertail


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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/12/2007 9:52:24 PM   
Pulpsmack


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ORIGINAL: Blaakmaan

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ORIGINAL: Pulpsmack

that's exactly what I am saying...

New tune, please...

The world is not big enough for another Al Sharpton, let alone the site (referring to an style of opportunism to make the issue about race, whether it is or is not). You have stated your view. Others have responded. You have responded to their responses (or unsurprisingly, avoided them). It is clear this has been derailed from topical to personal, especially when the OP has concluded. So YOU think it is about race. A surprising majority has conveyed personal experience that contradicts your assertions. You disagree with their perception. They (unsurprisingly) disagree with yours. Stalemate. NEW TUNE, PLEASE. And yet the "Dat's racist!" merry-go-round takes another spin. New tune, please...



Is THAT the best you got???

If it's a "merry-go-round," feel free to get off.

Posts end when they end, not when you declare "stalemate."

Nobody ever "wins" these strings, anyway.

You take the same position on any topic that involves race:  Race?  Get over it, move on!  Racism?  That's the past!  Next topic!

It's not even interesting, if it ever was.

I'm not even bothering anymore.

Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.



Oh, BS.You have a lot of nerve with your cavalier dismissals. You want to talk about the broken record? Take your finger pointed at me and observe the three pointing back at you. I didn't come on THIS thread with "racism exists, get over it" as you suggest I do on EVERY such thread. I came on this thread with the point that there are those who don't like race/ethnicities for the physical characteristics alone, for the perceived attitudes and mannerisms of the group, or both, which was a counter to YOUR (broken record) attempt to overblow everything into the race card, and monopolize that narrow issue into black/white. You had your chance then to discuss that issue with me then, but as usual when confronted by me you cower. You take your bat and ball and say you are going home, only to peek around the corner to make sure I have left before you run back to the playground to posture again. "I'm through with this argument" (then returns to the same thread)... "I am not going to waste my time on the likes of you" (only to respond to every post I make). Blaakman, please.

Your motives are transparent. Your argument is played out. Your posturing isn't even cute enough to be condescending over. Honestly... it's just sad.  

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/13/2007 6:50:33 AM   
sambamanslilgirl


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ORIGINAL: Blaakmaan

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ORIGINAL: sambamanslilgirl

interesting

i must really struck a nerve and dent since you continue to enjoy using my quotes while thumping your chest - will have to start charging you from now on.



If you wanna think so, go right ahead.  No harm done.

But tell me, how much do you charge??? [smile]


you wouldn't be able to afford it - i charge the standard $100 per letter used per quote

oh btw this has Daddy's full approval


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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/13/2007 8:31:30 AM   
abda


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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/13/2007 12:29:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hm, I really haven't thought much about the politics of it--once I had gotten over being sexually dominant, and articulating dominant sexuality in same-sex contexts, it seemed like a non-issue when I, a white woman, met a submissive black woman and wanted to tie her up. Now that I think about it, I do remember a moment of pause concerning aesthetics: it occurred to me that the dark rope that provided a lovely contrast on my Irish playmate wouldn't look quite so well on the aforementioned woman of color. I solved that problem by buying brighter rope.

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/13/2007 1:18:26 PM   
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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/13/2007 3:16:18 PM   
SirEbonyPhoenix


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ORIGINAL: LATEXBABY64

have we not beat this thread to death enough

 
I should say so; And as I think of it, I regret ever posting this thread in the first place.


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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/13/2007 6:05:18 PM   
TakenPet


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Status: offline 		Master is black and I am white, I had no idea he was black until he told me.  For us it was about who we are and how we fit together that counted.  If there was no compatibility what difference does his skin colour make or mine for that matter?  A D/s is about trust and if you are only interested in the person for the colour of their skin or race it seems unreasonable to think that you could have a relationship of trust?  Thats my 2 cents.

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