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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/10/2007 9:06:28 PM

julietsierra

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ORIGINAL: SirEbonyPhoenix

Having read a recent thread about White Doms and black subs, I have to ask this question:When it comes to interrracial D/s relationships, particuarly for those who are in one or seek to be in one, how do we really feel about them? I ask this because we all have our own individual rationales for wanting to be in them, whether it is to fulfill a sexual fantasy or maybe because we truly like the person for whom they are regardless of their exterior features. Any thoughts on this topic?

I'm in an interracial D/s relationship. How do I feel about it? What a strange question!! If I didn't love being in this relationship, why in the world would I be in this relationship?

But ok... just to play along...

I love his ethics. I love his ideas. I love his intelligence. I love the way he plays with me. I love that our views on life mesh. I love that he's similar to me. I love that he's different. I love his choice in careers. I love the reasons why he chose his given career. I love his choices when it comes to leisure time. I love how he laughs at me when things aren't going right, and then says something that makes me see how I'm working myself up when it doesn't need to happen. I love that he's taken his time getting to know me.

He's not my kink. He's the love of my life. We celebrate our kink together.

I just happen to be Caucasian. He just happens to be African American. We just happen to be right together.

What other things were you looking for anyway?

juliet

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/10/2007 9:06:49 PM

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not to get to academic on you but mexican, italian, irish, russian etc.......are ethnicities, not "races"
yes the definition of race is tenous at best, but it is not based an national origin, that is why we are not discussing the latter and like it or not, the history of black and whites in the United States is loaded and highly problematic, more so then other groups and yes I know about the japanese internment camps, discriminatory policies against many ethnicities but look up the history of lynching and the horrors of black racial discrimination in the USA and you will find they stand out much the way the horrors of antisemeticism in germany do.

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/10/2007 10:19:54 PM

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

People who go looking for racism are apt to find it.

Bingo.

And people who post ad nauseum on the thread, responding (or posturing) over every response seem to be airing out personal issues far more than they are addressing those of the topic.

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/10/2007 10:30:57 PM

MsPleasure

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It really depends on the flow and compatibility when I first email, speak on the phone and actually meet. Ive had more white sub experiences than black, but have enjoyed both. Its the person...not the color.

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/11/2007 5:02:47 AM

sambamanslilgirl

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exhibit A to prove your point that i'm a racist simply because i prefer white over you. i guess i have been a racist all my life ...let's in fact add my parents and family to the list as well because they have been associating with white people too - in fact most of my relatives are WHITE. *shock and awe* there

i attribute my preference to my upbringing, surroundings and the affluent white neighborhood i lived in which you rarely saw a black person. so are you going to blame them for sending me to exclusive "white" schools for my catholic/public education instead of the "black" schools? or how about having me apply to the Ivy League colleges/universities instead of the historical "black" colleges? let's take it one more step, should they have convinced me not to marry a Mexican man and have his UMs?

all my life i have been surrounded and befriended by white people ...my black friends are few and nonexsistent because (according to some which i'm sure you'll agree with) that i'm "too white" to be black. so i'm a freakin' outcast of sorts ...i really don't care. go ahead and assume that i'm racist because i feel a natural attraction towards white men - i don't fckin' care.

however find your own exhibit A to prove your soapbox rant

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/11/2007 5:36:16 AM

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I personally get a kick out of domeneering a black or asian guy because not only am i a female supremacist but also a white supremacist so it kills 2 birds with 1 stone for me.

Im waiting for the abuse now.

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/11/2007 5:42:37 AM

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By way of disabuse, you are backing ALL the wrong horses; philosophically, ain't ya?

LOL,
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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/11/2007 6:05:14 AM

sambamanslilgirl

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Goddess20

I personally get a kick out of domeneering a black or asian guy because not only am i a female supremacist but also a white supremacist so it kills 2 birds with 1 stone for me.

Im waiting for the abuse now.

i'll concede and let Blaakmaan handle this one ...should be interesting to see how he replies

*munches on honey dipped scones*

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/11/2007 6:59:30 AM

CreativeDominant

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ORIGINAL: Blaakmaan

Black men do not, as a rule, lack "integrity/ambition/strength/character" any more than any other men.

Much as it pains me to admit it, white men do not, as a rule, lack "ambition, strength, character, aggression, [or] what-have-you" any more than any other men.

To tar so broad a group with so broad a brush is quintessential racism.

Racism is racism. You can be racist in your world, but you're still racist...

And, more to my original point (waaay back when), those "broad brush" stereotypes cut more in favor of white men than anybody. Therefore, they benefit more from those stereotypes than anybody.

As is amply reflected right here on CM.

I find it ironic that a black man comes forth complaining about racism and racist attitudes and yet comes forth with the two statements I have put in bold above...

Like it or not, racism exists. So do many other problems. You can whine and bitch about it but sooner or later, you have to examine what your whining and bitching get you. I can just about guarantee you that coming in to a group to which you paid no fees to join, which did not discriminate against you during the entry process and which could care less how you identify...be it submissive, dominant, bottom, top, switch...and then with one of your first threads begin griping about how things in here are skewed towards the white man's favor will certainly not earn you much in the way of an accepting attitude.

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/11/2007 7:56:37 AM

celticlord2112

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ORIGINAL: Blaakmaan

And those who experience racism are apt to know a little something about where it is...

Ya' know...?

And those who are determined to experience racism are apt to experience little else.

Which you definitely DO know.

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/11/2007 8:12:36 AM

xoxi

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oh my god there are SO many things I want to reply to on this thread.

1. Blaackmaan - I agree with your view of the n-word. It's something that just strikes a chord in so many people, and even though quite a few people are saying stuff like "whats up my nigga" there are still so many people I know who can't even stand being called "nigga" by another black person.

But honestly as far as race play goes - that's someone's kink. Think of the word 'slut' - I absolutely HATE that word. Hearing it makes me violent and I have told every single guy I've been with that unless he wants to send me to a very bad place where I completely repress my sexuality so not to be thought of as a dirty skanky slut he should NOT use that word with me.

However that does not mean if I hear someone *else* use the word slut with *their* girl I will step in - cuz I wont. That's *their* thing and as long as her man doesn't call *me* a slut I have no business interfering.

And FWIW if you say I can't possibly understand hwo the n word makes people feel because I'm not black and it's not even close to the same - yeah well screw you you're not a woman so you have no CLUE how slut makes ME feel. Women have been oppressed for MILLENNIA before Europe even DISCOVERED Africa existed.

2. White women who date black men catch your interest in a good way but black women who date white men are race traitors? Not even going to argue with this one, this just gets a good old fashioned "wtf"

3. If white men lacked ambition and aggression I doubt they would have colonized 9/10 of the world 150 years ago. Just saying.

4. I was raised in a white culture and I lived 2 years in all black areas. I date white men out of cultural preference and physical preference. I also like blue eyed blondes. Awshit its the Aryan nation - not. I don't date men with blue eyes cuz they are 'superior' I date them cuz they are hot. One of my closest and oldest friends has a white mother and a black father. So...what? Is he black? Is he white? Can he date a white person without being a 'race traitor' - oh wait i forgot its only black WOMEN who date white men who are race traitors apparantly black men such as yourself who date white women are NOT race traitors, my bad. But still....should he only date mixed women? And for that matter should he only date half black half white women? What about 3/4 white and 1/4 black? And would a black woman who dated him be a race traitor? You know cuz he got that nasty white blood?

5. If someone were a devout Christian or Muslim and limited their dating pool to others who shared their faith would they be guilty of the same discrimination in your eyes?

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/11/2007 9:19:50 AM

Blaakmaan

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I'm not sure what you mean.

What's a "poofter"? A false profile?

I don't know what the "reality" is, but I do know how many profiles of black female submissives say "looking for white master," or the equivalent.

I see lots of them...

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/11/2007 9:24:52 AM

Blaakmaan

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And I don't care!

They can have you.

What black man would want that?

Like you said (and this time I am quoting you!): "what-frickin'-ever..."!!!

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/11/2007 9:26:52 AM

Blaakmaan

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Whateva!

New tune, please...

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/11/2007 10:06:07 AM

Pulpsmack

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that's exactly what I am saying...

New tune, please...

The world is not big enough for another Al Sharpton, let alone the site (referring to an style of opportunism to make the issue about race, whether it is or is not). You have stated your view. Others have responded. You have responded to their responses (or unsurprisingly, avoided them). It is clear this has been derailed from topical to personal, especially when the OP has concluded. So YOU think it is about race. A surprising majority has conveyed personal experience that contradicts your assertions. You disagree with their perception. They (unsurprisingly) disagree with yours. Stalemate. NEW TUNE, PLEASE. And yet the "Dat's racist!" merry-go-round takes another spin. New tune, please...

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/11/2007 10:06:12 AM

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um you forget about the naitive american indian which today still struggles for survivial.

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/11/2007 10:18:19 AM

Blaakmaan

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Over me??? Me???

I'm not an option, and I'm not the subject matter.

I don't know you, I just know your opinions.

This ain't that kind of personal!

Over me???

Funny!

And, I didn't assume you're racist. You're already said (now I am quoting you!):

   "white men do possess sometthing over the general black male population.
   in my experience, black men did not offer what i was seeking in a relationship
   and goals in life.     i've found them not being compatitable on many levels
   with me and they likewise found me "too white" for them to handle because
   i'm not the average, stereotypical ghetto chick who's loud and obnoxious,
   drinks and smokes."

   "with white men, i've found i can converse intelligently from the arts to music to
   politics without stooping below someone else's level or resorting to the slangspeak
   of the day. i do find making friends with them easier than i would with any
   black person. and as fall as love, intimacy, etc goes - yes they do understand
   what i need."

That post was racist to me. However, as someone on here is fond of saying: "your mileage may differ."

You managed to stereotype black men, black women, and white men, all in one post! That must have taken some work!

If I was a white man, I might like what you said (and, what is worse, agree with it). If I was a sister--you know, "the average, stereotypical ghetto chick who's loud and obnoxious, drinks and smokes"--I just might be offended.

I didn't need to assume you're racist. I don't need to assume what's already been demonstrated!

I can only wonder, since black men are so damned dumb, how you as a black woman managed to turn out so differently?

Hell, even the most die-hard racists don't see a difference in intelligence between black men and black women!

Are you from a different gene pool?

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/11/2007 10:24:37 AM

Blaakmaan

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That does kill two birds with one stone, doesn't it? Then, good for you as long as you can recruit black submissives who want to submit themselves to a white supremacist!

I'm sure such exists.

I'd rather deal with a white supremacist who admits to being one than a white person (or a black person) who claims to be "color blind."

I'm not any kind of blind.

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/11/2007 10:47:54 AM

Blaakmaan

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quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

quote:

ORIGINAL: Blaakmaan

Black men do not, as a rule, lack "integrity/ambition/strength/character" any more than any other men.

Much as it pains me to admit it, white men do not, as a rule, lack "ambition, strength, character, aggression, [or] what-have-you" any more than any other men.

To tar so broad a group with so broad a brush is quintessential racism.

Racism is racism. You can be racist in your world, but you're still racist...

And, more to my original point (waaay back when), those "broad brush" stereotypes cut more in favor of white men than anybody. Therefore, they benefit more from those stereotypes than anybody.

As is amply reflected right here on CM.

I find it ironic that a black man comes forth complaining about racism and racist attitudes and yet comes forth with the two statements I have put in bold above...

Like it or not, racism exists. So do many other problems. You can whine and bitch about it but sooner or later, you have to examine what your whining and bitching get you. I can just about guarantee you that coming in to a group to which you paid no fees to join, which did not discriminate against you during the entry process and which could care less how you identify...be it submissive, dominant, bottom, top, switch...and then with one of your first threads begin griping about how things in here are skewed towards the white man's favor will certainly not earn you much in the way of an accepting attitude.

You're a Dom, are you not?

Then it pretty much follows that I don't really care much whether your attitude towards me is accepting or not. It's not like you're the Welcome Wagon (and if you are, where the hell have you been?).

I like to be accepted like everyone else does. But I'm going to state my opinions, even if that means I won't "earn" an "accepting attitude."

I couldn't be much of a Dom if I'm too afraid to state my opinion because I may not be accepted. This isn't a popularity contest. [If it is, somebody please tell me!!!]

I don't "whine and bitch" about racism. I discuss it, present my opinions of it, hear other people's opinions of it, and sometimes argue about it. That's what the forums are for, are they not?

Things in here are skewed in the white man's favor.

If there's something "ironic" in those two sentences as compared to the other statements I have made in this string about racism and racist attitudes, you didn't point it out and I certainly don't see it.

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RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really f... - 10/11/2007 10:54:28 AM

Blaakmaan

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Whatever! (Such a versatile word, useful in so many different situations...!)

You haven't a clue about what I've experienced or what I'm "determined" to do.

How about you give me the benefit of your knowledge of racism and its causes and effects, since you seem to be an expert?

In something besides platitudes, if that's possible.

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