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RE: An open mind..... - 10/9/2007 12:50:11 PM

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The fact that you can rethink something and see another way in it and then even admit that Your first thought wasn't the most correct thought shows that you are open minded. Doesn't it?

Yes, I agree with that.

Same as if you have a belief upon which you are firm, and then find information causing you to move it into a less decided category.

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RE: An open mind..... - 10/9/2007 1:22:06 PM

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Same as if you have a belief upon which you are firm, and then find information causing you to move it into a less decided category.

I 'don't know' if I have the categories even Bob......I mean i know I know stuff which I teach but I know that those categories were decided by the person who decided if you see what I mean....I also 'know' that reconciling theory and subjective 'knowledge' for me took me most of last year to set out in a book and now i 'think' it's all process rather than categories and therefore is ever changing for me......but in theory I/we can grasp process in a series of steps....(so i based the book on a 12 step)
sometimes that is a really 'spacy' way of being in this world and that's why sensation and ultimatwely pain is for me a solution....i mean i know pain right!
My body has beliefs then more so now than my head used to...doing aikido got me into my centre as opposed to being where i thought I was in my head during years of meditation....and I tried everso hard during biddhist meditation to detach you know to end the pain af attachment as thay say but all it was was thinking around in circles especially when i got attached to being detached.......
oh just give me a smack and i'm alright again

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RE: An open mind..... - 10/9/2007 2:03:34 PM

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Same as if you have a belief upon which you are firm, and then find information causing you to move it into a less decided category.

I 'don't know' if I have the categories even Bob......I mean i know I know stuff which I teach but I know that those categories were decided by the person who decided if you see what I mean....I also 'know' that reconciling theory and subjective 'knowledge' for me took me most of last year to set out in a book and now i 'think' it's all process rather than categories and therefore is ever changing for me......but in theory I/we can grasp process in a series of steps....(so i based the book on a 12 step)
sometimes that is a really 'spacy' way of being in this world and that's why sensation and ultimatwely pain is for me a solution....i mean i know pain right!
My body has beliefs then more so now than my head used to...doing aikido got me into my centre as opposed to being where i thought I was in my head during years of meditation....and I tried everso hard during biddhist meditation to detach you know to end the pain af attachment as thay say but all it was was thinking around in circles especially when i got attached to being detached.......
oh just give me a smack and i'm alright again

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Feeling better?

When I speak of a category I mean I am sorting different issues according to the certainty of the arguments supporting one position or another.

Some (gravity, speed of light, personal awareness of self, past and present) are certain.

Most are less certain, to what degree depends upon the issue and the arguments thus far presented since I first became aware of the issue (some issues date back decades, such as machismo).

All of the issues for which currently there is no satisfactory certainty are in their own processes to determine their outcome.

Some (is there a god) are unlikely to ever be resolved in my lifetime. Others (will I find love again) are more likely to be resolved.

None of those have any schedule attached to them, they resolve themselves as more information comes in (or not if no information comes in).

Most of what I know is like a still glass of water. Add a drop of water and all of the water already in the cup feels the ripple. Everything moves. Everything shifts and adjusts to accomodate the new drop.

Eventually the water returns to stillness, till the next drop.

That's how I see learning: the absorption of new information, integrating it with existing information, identify any shifts in existing patterns as well as the emergence of new patterns.

In this way concepts evolve, outdated concepts are discarded, and progress is made.

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RE: An open mind..... - 10/9/2007 3:09:14 PM

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oh just give me a smack and i'm alright again

::smooch::

Feeling better?

Some (is there a god) are unlikely to ever be resolved in my lifetime. Others (will I find love again) are more likely to be resolved.

None of those have any schedule attached to them, they resolve themselves as more information comes in (or not if no information comes in).

I am SO glad you haven't got a schedule Bob....you know you might find God before you find a lover in which case a lover won't get a look in?
And I said just give me a smack not a smooch ok?
But then what do I know? I know that when foliofaxes first got invented and so many people I knew got to divide TIME into THINGS they KNEW they were doing the next day I thought oh god that;s the end of being able to communicate in the bearocratic world. I don't have a watch and live almost entirely out of my body clock, don't have a schedule even for sleeping or even where I sleep in the house....
I live more and more in a world where I sense the approppriateness of knowing or not.....does that make any sense?
I need to defer to One in both foreplay and climax....for the rest I am an alpha female, a fucking know it all bitch straight from my extrverted intuition,,,enough to drive Him crazy to the point of a beating................
I'm getting carried away.....

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RE: An open mind..... - 10/9/2007 3:37:02 PM

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I am SO glad you haven't got a schedule Bob....you know you might find God before you find a lover in which case a lover won't get a look in?

If so, let's hope it is a benign god who grants me love.

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And I said just give me a smack not a smooch ok?

My apologies. Here a "smack" is also a "smooch".

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I live more and more in a world where I sense the approppriateness of knowing or not.....does that make any sense?

I can think of several ways in which it might, but I'd prefer your explanation, if you don't mind.

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RE: An open mind..... - 10/9/2007 3:48:22 PM

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I live more and more in a world where I sense the approppriateness of knowing or not.....does that make any sense?

As an empath there's a great deal I 'know' or rather 'sense' or very often 'see' about another or a situation which I often feel it's best I do not say...........stuff that transcends time and place..............the future's like a red red rose Bob...but I'm stuck here making the best of it for now......
in other words what I 'know' and what I say I know and whatI am prpepared to say I know sometimes look different...........aybe one day I will find myself in a relation (again) where I trust I could say all of it

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RE: An open mind..... - 10/9/2007 3:49:44 PM

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While i have always been completely open minded when it comes to other people's choices about their lives and lifestyles i have found that i am completely closed mided when it comes to my own. As someone said things get instilled in us in childhood, and i found myself living a life that was not only upsetting but narrowminded and completely dismissing of who i really am. With Ma'am's help i am finding me and finding ways to be more accepting of myself.

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RE: An open mind..... - 10/9/2007 4:13:55 PM

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I live more and more in a world where I sense the approppriateness of knowing or not.....does that make any sense?

As an empath there's a great deal I 'know' or rather 'sense' or very often 'see' about another or a situation which I often feel it's best I do not say...........stuff that transcends time and place..............the future's like a red red rose Bob...but I'm stuck here making the best of it for now......
in other words what I 'know' and what I say I know and whatI am prpepared to say I know sometimes look different...........aybe one day I will find myself in a relation (again) where I trust I could say all of it

Thank you, Prin. That's not an explanation that would have occurred to me, but I understand it.

I hope you find yourself in that kind of relationship again.

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RE: An open mind..... - 10/9/2007 4:27:36 PM

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one day I will find myself in a relation (again) where I trust I could say all of it

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Thank you, Prin. That's not an explanation that would have occurred to me, but I understand it.

I hope you find yourself in that kind of relationship again.

You missed the point. I hope I find a relationship of that kind or I hope I find myself in that type of relationship. I have never had that kind of relationship thus far although I have stopped counting how many I have had.
I am a submissive and a receiver and also a rational woman...all at the same time. So It's very difficul;t for me to simply say thank you for the night we spent together when that night was many miles apart. I might not appear rational.

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RE: An open mind..... - 10/9/2007 5:09:53 PM

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One of the byproducts that I enjoy in being a slave is that my mind gets trained away from right or wrong in many ways and I better focus on concentrating on the better concept in my mind of it is what it is and be accepting of differences more easily.

I do though agree that often when I see myself going down the path of this is absolutely how it is that I often have to consciously step back or forced to open my mind how I can see things in a much different light.

Perception is everything. One can be shown that there are many different ways to approach a thing. The really interesting thing? In many cases, they can ALL be right-even with vast changes.

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RE: An open mind..... - 10/9/2007 7:14:28 PM

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I'll point out that it's FINE to have a negative reaction to something, it's FINE to say "That's gross, wrong nasty awful" I ENCOURAGE people to make judgements and express them.

As long as they stick to these two things:

1) Do not generalize your judgements- own them for yourself, do not suggest X is gross for everyone just because you judge it wrong for you
2) Always be open to new information and experiences to change your mind. You may never actually change your mind, but if you're open to the POSSIBILITY, then you're covered

Judge away!

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RE: An open mind..... - 10/10/2007 8:35:36 PM

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I used to have a hard time with the Daddy/daughter dynamic myself.
I think it is okay, to admit that many of us are not as "open minded" as we
profess to be.

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