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sammy7626 -> RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? (10/12/2007 5:56:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster quote: ORIGINAL: Brain Don't tell me you don't know people used to believe thousands of years ago the earth was flat and if you travelled too far you would fall off and be gone forever. THERE IS NO GOD PEOPLE. WATCH http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html What does Viking mythology (or any belief that the world is flat) have to do with Christianity - and what does the belief of people at the time have to do with whether there is or is not a supreme entity? Your choice of nick might be seen as ironic. Uh, random side note here. Vikings didn't think the world was flat. The Italians did. (says she who spends too much time studying viking/scandanavian/norse lore and mythology, and follows said Dieties. )

Kirata -> RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? (10/12/2007 6:06:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Shira I've had two Masters recently make comments like "submission is a religion and the Dom is god", and they seem to really get off on the idea of being "worshipped". I've never heard anyone go as far as saying they ARE God, but the indirect comparison seems to be made. Do people think that is acceptable? Would it be going too far? It's fine if you don't mind that your God needs to shower or he'll stink, and sometimes has that exasperated look which says he could benefit from a hug. K.

jadedserendipity -> RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? (10/12/2007 6:21:36 PM)
Hmm well I read through many of the posts not all, but I thought I would toss my two cents as well, whatever they are worth. At some point in life, I think everyone compares themselves to "God" (please bear in mind I said I think). We are all raised to believe different things based upon our families culture, and I know that for myself that from a young age my family pounded in the hardcore Southern Baptist faith, therefore leading me to learn the ways of the church and all about "God". I have experienced many things in my short years that lead me to question "God" and compare myself to the entity. So now that I have lead us down the beaten path I shall return to the subject of the OP, I suppose in my opinion it is not necessarily "wrong" for a Master/Mistress to compare him or herself to "God," however I am not sure how I would respond to being told that BDSM is a religion and he/she is my "God." So is it okay for one to compare themselves to "God?" I see nothing wrong with it. Hope I did not take it too far away from the point of the OP for anyone. [8\|] ~jadedserendipity~

MidMichCowboy -> RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? (10/12/2007 7:05:58 PM)
NO

MadRabbit -> RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? (10/12/2007 8:33:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY I can understand saying that submission is somewhat like a religion, but to insinuate that a dominant is his submissive's God is going a bit far. Oh yeah? Why? Because the OP's excerpt was "submission is a religion and the Dom is god". Note my emphasis, please. The most prevalent understanding of the word "religion" is a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs. The most thought-of idea of "God" is a being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions. As I stated fairly clearly in my original comment, while I can understand saying that submission is somewhat like a religion, the blanket generalization of "submission is a religion and the Dom is god" is going a bit far. Again, please note my emphasis. Of course, that is my opinion. If it is your desire that your submissive consider you to be the infallible, all-knowing, all-seeing creator of the universe, then that is your perogative. I don't believe FirmhandKY would be comfortable with me viewing him in the same light. quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit We have an interesting term for Dommes I hear often called "Goddess". Is this attempt at divinity and worship okie dokie while a male taking this disposition is a "little too extreme" since he is brushing up against the big male G word of the Christian patriarchy that dominates American society? So...some guy has a kink for labeling himself as "God"? Why is that any less repugnant than a female taking on the label of "Goddess"? Perhaps because we dont take the idea of female divinity seriously? While "Goddess" does not hold quite the same connotations as "God", I consider the concept to be just as extreme. You make a large assumption that my comments indicate otherwise. quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit Sure, a dominant can be a God to his slave without it going to far if you define "God" as a concept that human beings beleive in, find inspiration in, and submit their lives to the image of in an attempt to strive to improve and be better? If one replace the pop culture phrase of "What would Jesus do?" with "What would Master do?", then in a sense, a dominant can very much be like a god to a submissive. Someone she is inspired by and strives to improve and grow in his image. I believe my comment that "submission is somewhat like a religion" and the remainder of my post clearly imply my agreement with the idea that it is acceptable for a dominant to be viewed as having similar influence in his submissive's life. I'm not sure just exactly what about my comments got your knickers in a wad other than perhaps not reading carefully or past the first sentence. My knickers dont get in a wad much even if it seems like that. I was mostly trying to push an alternative point of view. But...fair enough...after reading your reponse, I realize I should have put more thought into your post before responding.

NorthernGent -> RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? (10/12/2007 8:47:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Shira I just thought this was an interesting question because I've had two Masters recently make comments like "submission is a religion and the Dom is god", and they seem to really get off on the idea of being "worshipped". I've never heard anyone go as far as saying they ARE God, but the indirect comparison seems to be made. Do people think that is acceptable? Would it be going too far? It depends what's in their minds. If they mean organised religion sets the boundaries for life, but I'm setting the boundaries for your life, then I can understand that comparison; in fact, I would actively encourage it.....the world isn't big enough for two masters...it's me or god, and, let's face it, god is a poor imitation. If your master/s genuinely believe they are god, well, maybe there's a couple of issues which need resolving. Personally, I don't see "submission as a religion"; I think a submissive has far more room to grow with the right dom, than she would within organised religion. Many doms believe "thou shalt rise above your station"; on the other hand, organised religion boxes you in.

Aswad -> RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? (10/13/2007 1:21:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SunNMoon Since there is only one God which people are to worship and if you are worshiping a dom/me then you are worshiping a false idol. Possibly so. Although, as I recall, the prohibition goes more like this: "Thou shalt not bow down before any graven image." I think it's more idolatrous with how lots of kid idolize celebrities, etc... quote: Many have living deities, and there is no reason the dom/me can’t be seen as one. Usually, this is in the sense that someone is seen as a living descendant of a diety. For instance, the Japanese Emperor was/is referred to as O Kami, and seen as a living descendant of Amaterasu. Similarly, the Sumerian priest-king Adapa was said to be descended from Enki. Most religions that feature living dieties do not subscribe to the notion that such status is conferred by oneself upon oneself, but rather that it follows from birth. I'd think it would be more reasonable to view the dom/me as a proxy, much like a priest. Again, this depends on what religious configuration one subscribes to, of course. Health, al-Aswad.

Aswad -> RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? (10/13/2007 1:41:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY If it is your desire that your submissive consider you to be the infallible, all-knowing, all-seeing creator of the universe, then that is your perogative. Since when were gods and goddesses inherently infallible, all-knowing, all-seeing, or even creators? It is clear that Cronus was none of these things, and eventually Zeus brought him down. The Æsir and Vanir warred with each other, and were none of these things. Ereshkigal became the goddess of the underworld almost by accident. Don't mistake the preaching of churches for inviolate truth. Health, al-Aswad.

AnimusRex -> RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? (10/13/2007 6:39:42 PM)
I often compare myself to Dog...but come out a close second....

ZapRobo -> RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? (10/13/2007 8:49:52 PM)
coughs and channels Satan from South Park I am your god now! Nothing wrong with a bit of religious play and likening yourself to a god if thats your thing :) Not my thing really, but hey each to their own! It's okay in my book.

Lordandmaster -> RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? (10/13/2007 9:10:51 PM)
I wouldn't want a sub to think of me as...what was it?...the perfect, omniscient, omnipresent creator of the universe because then I wouldn't exist!

TreasureKY -> RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? (10/14/2007 4:50:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aswad quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY If it is your desire that your submissive consider you to be the infallible, all-knowing, all-seeing creator of the universe, then that is your perogative. Since when were gods and goddesses inherently infallible, all-knowing, all-seeing, or even creators? It is clear that Cronus was none of these things, and eventually Zeus brought him down. The Æsir and Vanir warred with each other, and were none of these things. Ereshkigal became the goddess of the underworld almost by accident. Don't mistake the preaching of churches for inviolate truth. There was no mistake on my part; my reference was to the dictionary definition that I quoted, "a being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions." I would be unlikely to equate Cronus, Zeus, the Æsir, the Vanir, or Ereshkigal with that particular definition. quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster I wouldn't want a sub to think of me as...what was it?...the perfect, omniscient, omnipresent creator of the universe because then I wouldn't exist! I'm sure LaMspeach knows better. [;)]

SixFootMaster -> RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? (10/14/2007 6:48:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sammy7626 quote: ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster quote: ORIGINAL: Brain Don't tell me you don't know people used to believe thousands of years ago the earth was flat and if you travelled too far you would fall off and be gone forever. THERE IS NO GOD PEOPLE. WATCH http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html What does Viking mythology (or any belief that the world is flat) have to do with Christianity - and what does the belief of people at the time have to do with whether there is or is not a supreme entity? Your choice of nick might be seen as ironic. Uh, random side note here. Vikings didn't think the world was flat. The Italians did. (says she who spends too much time studying viking/scandanavian/norse lore and mythology, and follows said Dieties. ) Sailing off the edge of the world along the rainbow bridge to Valhala? You mean Holywood lied to me!?!

RRafe -> RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? (10/14/2007 7:03:53 AM)
Narccisists are endlessly amusing-to everyone but themselves.[:D]

hisannabelle -> RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? (10/14/2007 1:01:18 PM)
greetings treasure (and others espousing the same view), then where do those of us (masters and slaves) who do not hold a conception of deity as being "omnipresent, omniscient, and creator" fit into your critique, out of curiosity? respectfully, annabelle.

TreasureKY -> RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? (10/14/2007 4:23:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hisannabelle greetings treasure (and others espousing the same view), then where do those of us (masters and slaves) who do not hold a conception of deity as being "omnipresent, omniscient, and creator" fit into your critique, out of curiosity? respectfully, annabelle. I believe you fit exactly where you were before I made any comments... unless somehow my personal opinion has a bearing on how you live your life. It was never my intention to address all possible permutations with my statement to MadRabbit. In the same respect that if it is his desire that his submissive considers him to be the infallible, all-knowing, all-seeing creator of the universe, then it is his perogative... the same as it is your dominant's perogative should he desire for you to consider him to be a diety, however you personally define that. For myself, I happen to inherently equate "God" with the Supreme Being of the Judeo/Christian faiths. Whether that God exists or not is not for me to say... I see no man as even remotely resembling that image so it seems silly to even try to pretend. I find the blanket statement that "submission is a religion and the dominant is god" to be ludicrous, not to mention very narrow-minded. Holding and expressing such an opinion neither precludes me from "worshipping" FirmhandKY or regarding him in whatever elevated fashion he might desire, nor should it prevent you from practicing whatever belief system you and your dominant desire.

rmanrr -> RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? (10/15/2007 12:59:13 AM)
(chuckling to Myself)....and reminiscing as well as looking forward...heh heh.

daddysprop247 -> RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? (10/15/2007 9:34:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie R is my higher power. I do worship him. It is a pretty intense part of our dynamic and one that evolved over time. It took him a number of years to become comfortable with it and accept it for what it is. We don't make a big huge issue out of it. He knows it, I know it, all is good. same here. for all intents and purposes, my Master IS my higher power, my God, the one who shapes my destiny and controls my fate. the one who decides whether or not i will wake to see another sunrise or take another breath. perhaps this concept came so naturally for us because i was never a religious sort of person, and have always considered myself to be agnostic if anything. my Master otoh is a devoted Christian, yet he finds nothing contradictory or inappropriate about holding himself as my God. He understands that in my little world, he is the light, the knowledge, the purpose.

SixFootMaster -> RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? (10/15/2007 5:28:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: daddysprop247 quote: ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie R is my higher power. I do worship him. It is a pretty intense part of our dynamic and one that evolved over time. It took him a number of years to become comfortable with it and accept it for what it is. We don't make a big huge issue out of it. He knows it, I know it, all is good. same here. for all intents and purposes, my Master IS my higher power, my God, the one who shapes my destiny and controls my fate. the one who decides whether or not i will wake to see another sunrise or take another breath. perhaps this concept came so naturally for us because i was never a religious sort of person, and have always considered myself to be agnostic if anything. my Master otoh is a devoted Christian, yet he finds nothing contradictory or inappropriate about holding himself as my God. He understands that in my little world, he is the light, the knowledge, the purpose. Interestingly, the Christian perspective puts the chain of authority and dominance in much the same light.

MadRabbit -> RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? (10/15/2007 5:30:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster quote: ORIGINAL: daddysprop247 quote: ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie R is my higher power. I do worship him. It is a pretty intense part of our dynamic and one that evolved over time. It took him a number of years to become comfortable with it and accept it for what it is. We don't make a big huge issue out of it. He knows it, I know it, all is good. same here. for all intents and purposes, my Master IS my higher power, my God, the one who shapes my destiny and controls my fate. the one who decides whether or not i will wake to see another sunrise or take another breath. perhaps this concept came so naturally for us because i was never a religious sort of person, and have always considered myself to be agnostic if anything. my Master otoh is a devoted Christian, yet he finds nothing contradictory or inappropriate about holding himself as my God. He understands that in my little world, he is the light, the knowledge, the purpose. Interestingly, the Christian perspective puts the chain of authority and dominance in much the same light. Nnnnnaaaaahhhhh. Your just being narrow minded [;)]

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