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RE: Operation Iraqi Freedom - 10/16/2007 11:36:29 PM   
luckydog1


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Status: offline 		First show me some sort of proof that these defects are occuring in greater numbers among people who worked with the DU, firing the stuff exposes you, than among the Iraqis.  After you show me something I will provide evidence on it.  You asserting it is from DU is propaganda (you are just parroting it, not making it up).  The fact remains that most of these children are from the Shiite areas that were no where near the fighting in Desert Storm.  Saddam did use Toxic Nerve gas on that area.

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RE: Operation Iraqi Freedom - 10/16/2007 11:41:45 PM   
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So you are saying that american soldiers and doctors are lying then eh?

You have provided ZERO FACTS, just your opinion as usual.

You might want to look at the information I provided.




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RE: Operation Iraqi Freedom - 10/16/2007 11:52:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		No, actually I am saying you are repeating lies about what the US doctors and Soldiers are saying.

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RE: Operation Iraqi Freedom - 10/17/2007 12:02:34 AM   
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Another lucky red herring eh...

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No, actually I am saying you are repeating lies about what the US doctors and Soldiers are saying.





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RE: Operation Iraqi Freedom - 10/17/2007 8:51:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		When my husband come back from the gulf, we were out in our front yard, and we live near alot of wetlands, so we have lots of mosquitos. He would hold his arm out, and the mosquitos would fly over and bite him. We would watch them bite into his arm, suck blood for a moment, then literally pull out of his arm, stagger, fall over and die.

One of the things that has yet never ceased to amaze me, is how they can swear there is nothing wrong with any of the soldiers, and yet for some strange reason no gulf war verteran is allowed to donate blood to the red cross...nor are their wives...oh..but nothings wrong with you, we just dont want your blood.....

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RE: Operation Iraqi Freedom - 10/17/2007 10:06:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hmm, thats not what the Red Cross says Ghita  http://www.redcross.org/services/biomed/0,1082,0_557_,00.html   Though they do have an extensive list of rules of places you may not give after spending time there.  It is a far larger list than I would have thoughtIt is not limited to places where DU was used. 

for example  "You are not eligible to donate if:

From January 1, 1980, through December 31, 1996, you spent (visited or lived) a cumulative time of 3 months or more, in the United Kingdom (UK), or
From January 1, 1980, to present, you had a blood transfusion in any country(ies) in the (UK). The UK includes any of the countries listed below.

  • Channel Islands
  • England
  • Falkland Islands
  • Gibraltar
  • Isle of Man
  • Northern Ireland
  • Scotland
  • Wales "     Due to Mad Cow disease.

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    RE: Operation Iraqi Freedom - 10/17/2007 10:15:08 AM   
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    Status: offline     		"Operation Iraqi Freedom"?

    Iraqi Freedom???

    That's a good one!!!

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    RE: Operation Iraqi Freedom - 10/17/2007 10:24:38 AM   
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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: luckydog1

    Hmm, thats not what the Red Cross says Ghita  http://www.redcross.org/services/biomed/0,1082,0_557_,00.html   Though they do have an extensive list of rules of places you may not give after spending time there.  It is a far larger list than I would have thoughtIt is not limited to places where DU was used. 

    for example  "You are not eligible to donate if:

    From January 1, 1980, through December 31, 1996, you spent (visited or lived) a cumulative time of 3 months or more, in the United Kingdom (UK), or
    From January 1, 1980, to present, you had a blood transfusion in any country(ies) in the (UK). The UK includes any of the countries listed below.
  • Channel Islands
  • England
  • Falkland Islands
  • Gibraltar
  • Isle of Man
  • Northern Ireland
  • Scotland
  • Wales "     Due to Mad Cow disease.




      • I never did any research into it. But one of the first questions you get asked down here if you step into one of their little blood donation busses is "are you or any members of your household a gulf war veteran?" If you answer "yes" they tell you you arent eligible to donate.

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      RE: Operation Iraqi Freedom - 10/17/2007 10:30:21 AM   
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      Status: offline       		And I do not disbelieve you on that Ghita, but there is an extensive list of places that after spending time, you can't donate.  And the list is not based on using DU.  There are a plethora of dieases that one could pick up serving in Iraq. 

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      RE: Operation Iraqi Freedom - 10/17/2007 10:35:38 AM   
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      Status: offline       		yea thats true....I agree with you there...

      but...now explain the mosquito phenomenon....lol

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      RE: Operation Iraqi Freedom - 10/17/2007 11:03:52 AM   
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      Status: offline       		Well I would need some actuall facts before I could explain a hearsay phenomenom.  Otherwise I would simply be putting things together with no reason.   How long did this occur for, and how many times did it happen?  I live in Alaska, around a huge millitary population, and it is not common that people who served in Iraq blood kills mosquitos when they are bitten.  Mosquitos do not live for very long usually in thier adult (biting) form, it could be entirley co-incidental. A possible explanation could be if he breathed a lot of the intentionall oil well fire smoke, I am sure there was plenty of long term damage done to our soldiers (and the Iraqi civilians) by that.

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      RE: Operation Iraqi Freedom - 10/17/2007 11:06:14 AM   
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      Status: offline       		well you are hearsay explaining it right there.  so, lying excludes you even when you contradict yourself?  LOL, you are a trip dude.

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      RE: Operation Iraqi Freedom - 10/17/2007 2:04:51 PM   
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      quote:

      ORIGINAL: GhitaAmati

      When my husband come back from the gulf, we were out in our front yard, and we live near alot of wetlands, so we have lots of mosquitos. He would hold his arm out, and the mosquitos would fly over and bite him. We would watch them bite into his arm, suck blood for a moment, then literally pull out of his arm, stagger, fall over and die.

      One of the things that has yet never ceased to amaze me, is how they can swear there is nothing wrong with any of the soldiers, and yet for some strange reason no gulf war verteran is allowed to donate blood to the red cross...nor are their wives...oh..but nothings wrong with you, we just dont want your blood.....

      you are correct i have not been allowed to donate blood since desert storm.

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      RE: Operation Iraqi Freedom - 10/17/2007 5:22:48 PM   
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      quote:

      ORIGINAL: luckydog1

      There are a plethora of dieases that one could pick up serving in Iraq. 


      My friend was in GW1, and they had so many damned innoculations against this, that and the other that I'm left wondering - what diseases could they pick up exactly?

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      RE: Operation Iraqi Freedom - 10/17/2007 5:49:00 PM   
      luckydog1


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      Status: offline       		Lady, so you assume the Government had perfect knowledge of how to effectivley immunize?   Seems a bit of a stretch.

      mnot, sorry if the phrases "could be" and "possibly" confused you, but I can't make any more simple for ya.

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      RE: Operation Iraqi Freedom - 10/17/2007 8:11:55 PM   
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      coulda woulda shoulda, who cares?  You are going to make excuses for government ignorance again?  Incompetance again?  How about knew it but dont give a shit because americans are expendable, what ever takes, collateral damage.

      All these guys and many of their wives are condemned to death by cancer.


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      RE: Operation Iraqi Freedom - 10/18/2007 6:58:32 AM   
      Real0ne


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      quote:

      ORIGINAL: GhitaAmati

      yea thats true....I agree with you there...

      but...now explain the mosquito phenomenon....lol


      All you will ever get from that guy is government apologist smart quips, specious and sophist arguments for the most part.  I think he slept through most of history class and never heard of crossroads.

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      RE: Operation Iraqi Freedom - 10/18/2007 11:24:02 AM   
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      And yet again Farg, you demonstrate to the room your utter lack of logical thought.


      Ok. Let's examine this: What was the extent and availability of basic services during Hussein's rule, vs. during Bush's rule of Iraq?

      How many babies have died from Cholera since Bush took over Iraq?

      Those are pretty basic metrics, but it's a start I think.



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      RE: Operation Iraqi Freedom - 10/18/2007 11:43:47 AM   
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      Status: offline       		False premises Farg.  Bush doesn't rule Iraq.  I do not accept your definition that if a paid agent comes into Iraq and blows a water main, it was done by the USA.  The terrorism has gone up greatly since the CPA gave authority to the Elected Iraqi Gov.  Pre invasion, some parts of Iraq had better services, and others had far worse.

      I do understand you want to hijack this thread, and spout your rhetoric another time.  Start another thread if you want to compare services of various Iraqi regiems in the past 2 decades.

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      RE: Operation Iraqi Freedom - 10/18/2007 1:39:06 PM   
      Real0ne


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      quote:

      ORIGINAL: luckydog1

      False premises Farg.  Bush doesn't rule Iraq.  I do not accept your definition that if a paid agent comes into Iraq and blows a water main, it was done by the USA.  The terrorism has gone up greatly since the CPA gave authority to the Elected Iraqi Gov.  Pre invasion, some parts of Iraq had better services, and others had far worse.

      I do understand you want to hijack this thread, and spout your rhetoric another time.  Start another thread if you want to compare services of various Iraqi regiems in the past 2 decades.



      Yeh and there is no DU in iraq





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