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What were you missing in life? - 10/13/2007 10:59:14 PM   
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I ask this question to find out a sub/slave's point of view. If you are a Master/Mistress/Dom/mme reading this post do not answer I will not respond...these questions are being directed to sub's/slave's.
 
Please delve deep into your psyche 'cause there has to be a better answer than just "I was born this way."
 
What make's you feel you need to be controlled, beaten, humiliated or abused? Did you have a parent that was abusive? Where you molested when you were younger? Where you neglected emotionaly by a family member or some one you deeply loved? What void in your life are you trying to fill by seeking out a Master or Mistress to dominate every aspect of your life?
 
I am a Dom that's new to BDSM and have a fetish for light bondage and find there are some very sadistic Master's/Dom's out there that you sub's/slave's seem to gravitate to and I don't know why. Fisting, mutilation, beaten unconscious, ritual murder, choking, male sub's forced into unprotected sex with other men for no other reason than their Master/Mistress said so. Why??? When you acquire AID's and your Master/Mistress/Dom/Domme kick's you out the door because he/she has used you all up, then what are you going to do?
 
What have you missed out of in life that has led you down this path? Do you love pain and suffering? Does it feel THAT good?
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RE: What were you missing in life? - 10/14/2007 12:02:19 AM   
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Why does there have to be a better answer?

I'm afraid I was raised in a loving supportive family whose only failing was that we were in the lower middle class without adequate dental health coverage.

Really your question is as bad as asking what emptiness a woman is trying to fill by getting married to another man.

You must realize that most kinks are to stimulate happy chemicals- most humans LIKE multiple sensations, that's why sex toys and sensual fabrics are so popular.  Most humans LIKE feeling scared, that's why roller coasters and haunted houses are so popular.

Kinky people simply take that into specific areas, exploit them, act on their own fantasies, and actually just want a fulfilling intimate relationship like anyone else, just with a specific authority dynamic nivolved.

If I acquired AIDS and my partner kicked me out, I'd find myself a new place to live and keep going.

And yeah- this pain and suffering as I sit typing on this keyboard in a pink patent leather collar with my partner reading a magazine naked waiting to snuggle with me on the bed and sleep late in the morning before going to a daschund costume contest together with his friends is really just too awful!  WHy would anyone want such a life?!?!?

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RE: What were you missing in life? - 10/14/2007 12:11:47 AM   
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LA stated it perfectly.

Ritual murder? I think I missed that in Kink 101.

I grew up in a fairly decent home. Other than my parents being divorced my life isn't all that tragic.

I seek a sadist because that is what I get off on. I'm intelligent enough to (hopefully) know a nutball when I spot 'em.

Have a fantastic evening.



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RE: What were you missing in life? - 10/14/2007 1:39:46 AM   
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greetings woodhunter,

i am happy with my life. there are a lot of struggles i have had both in my family and especially with my health. i was raped, but i was submissive long before i was raped. unfortunately i think the best answer really is, "i was born this way" - or at least, i am a submissive because i was born this way, but my identity as a slave is a product of both nature and nurture.

i have not been subjected to some of the things you mentioned, although our play activities do range more towards the "extreme" in some points of view, and of course my numerous posts here about lack of limits and boundaries have not won me any brownie points in the safe, sane, consensual game either ;) quite frankly, i do it because i enjoy pleasing. that's who i am, that's who i have always been, and i have found someone who both loves me and treats me as property. that is a fulfilling relationship for me. if i got aids from having unprotected sex (which i have, before, partially due to his requirements of me) and he then decided he didn't want me anymore, i would find somewhere else to live, as la said, and move on. i am a big girl; i don't "need" him to take care of me - and he already has kids, he did not take me to raise. we just happen to have a mutually fulfilling relationship that is based on absolute control and obedience.

respectfully,
annabelle.


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RE: What were you missing in life? - 10/14/2007 2:13:47 AM   
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And assuming that someone didn't have the best experiences as a child and may seek fulfillment through a relationship dynamic that is not mainstream, why is that a concern of yours unless you're being paid for counseling sessions? Do you pose the same questions to persons in relationships that you deem unhealthy, or is this simply up for grabs merely because you lack understanding for certain behaviors or they go beyond your tolerance threshold? 

By the way, your light bondage can be very offputting to many people. Are you willing to step under the microscope for your own desires? While you may feel that your fetishes are not 'that' bad, I can assure you that those who are opposed to such actions view them all under the same narrow glance. The pointed finger and questioning tone have a nifty way of circling back. I wonder how you'd respond.

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RE: What were you missing in life? - 10/14/2007 3:16:38 AM   
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Ok... Let me tell you the deep dark secrets of my life. How my life was irrepairably set even before I had enough knowledge of the world to  prepare myself or choose another path.

*sigh* this is so hard, y'know?

I am the first child of two parents who met in college. They had three coffee dates. (A coffee date is when you make plans to meet at the student union for a cup of coffee because on a student's budget, that's all you can afford.)

On the second coffee date, the man who would eventually help to create me said "people who marry ae insecure people looking to make the women they marry replacements for their mothers." The woman who would help to create me just smiled and talked about something else. On the third coffee date, he asked her to marry him and she accepted.

They were married in July, 1959. They had their wedding over the fourth of July weekend so that they could be back in school on Monday. They had no where to live other than their respective dormitory and fraternity house.

Nine months later (to the day) they had me. They took 6 obligatory weeks off of things and then on their first time together after the birth of me, created my brother. Waited a couple of months before creating my sister following his birth. So, by the time my sister was born, they had three children, all under the age of two.

By the time I was four, they'd built their own house. It was the house I grew up in. My childhood was idyllic (I know! The horror! The drama!). My summer days were filled with swimming in the canal behind our house, playing in the fields, and the woods by our house, and fishing in the ponds. During the winter months, we replaced ice skating for swimming and life was, I hate to say, WONDERFUL.

My parents, were fond of grabbing each other for mind-melting kisses - whether we were in attendance or not, even when we said "ewwwwww!" There was a lot of laughter in our house (And you KNOW how debilitating laughter can be!). There was a lot of love and there was a lot of pure unmitigated fun.

As I was growing up, I was my father's favorite child. He didn't favor me over the others because I was his first-born. He did so because we are just alike. Coincidentally, if you ask my brother, he'll say HE was my father's favorite child because he and my father liked all the same things (hunting, fishing, boating, etc). And if you ask my sister, she'll say SHE was his favorite because she was level headed and did the things he wanted her to do when he wanted her to do them.

My mother was a different story. She was very different from me. We didn't see eye to eye (wait...that's because she was about 6 inches shorter than I was). At any rate, she didn't see things the way I did on a number of levels. Even so, the great soul killer that she is, she never told me that my ideas and perceptions were wrong. She just presented me with opportunities to think about what I was saying. She asked me questions. She made me think!! (The meanie!! I was traumatized I tell ya!)

On top of this, I had four grandparents who loved their grandchildren very much. My grandmother was my best friend till the day she passed away. My grandfather played a close second in friendship with me to my grandmother. Oh, yea... I should mention them. They were married when my grandmother was a minor. They had to elope and for over 60 years, were devoted to each other. My grandfather was suffering the first effects of alzheimers, yet, for some reason, while he couldn't remember where he put his keys or what his name was sometimes, he always knew how to take care of my grandmother after her stroke, and never put her in a nursing home. In his eyes, for better or for worse meant exactly that and he sure as hell wasn't going to fall down on his vows.

But anyway, back to the traumatic childhood that was mine.


My parents have now been married for 49 years. This July, they'll celebrate 50. My mother still listens to phone messages from my father over and over again when he calls home for some reason and tells her he loves her. My mother is fiercely protective of my father and no one is allowed to say negative things to or about my father. He had polio as a child and no longer walks well. She is his legs while he continues to do as much as he possibly can every day.

My parents are people I'd genuinely like even if they weren't my parents. The trauma of living right and coming from a loving home have contributed immensely to the person I've become as an adult. I presume this also means this lifestyle.

You see, to me, this isn't an abberation. This is how I live my life. It's what makes me happy. It's what fulfills me. I've spent my entire life being excited to run to get my father a cup of coffee when he wanted one. I've spent my entire childhood in idyllic pleasure. I simply see no reason for having to live my adult life without idyllic pleasure as well. This does it for me.

And while the "trauma" I've experienced does not fit into your idealized view of bdsm as somehow being the fare of the broken people out there, it does fit my views of people being who they are without someone else making them out to be somehow in need of "fixing."

Hope this helps.

juliet

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RE: What were you missing in life? - 10/14/2007 3:27:09 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Woodhunter

I ask this question to find out a sub/slave's point of view. If you are a Master/Mistress/Dom/mme reading this post do not answer I will not respond...these questions are being directed to sub's/slave's.
 
Please delve deep into your psyche 'cause there has to be a better answer than just "I was born this way."
 
What make's you feel you need to be controlled, beaten, humiliated or abused? Did you have a parent that was abusive? Where you molested when you were younger? Where you neglected emotionaly by a family member or some one you deeply loved? What void in your life are you trying to fill by seeking out a Master or Mistress to dominate every aspect of your life?
 
I am a Dom that's new to BDSM and have a fetish for light bondage and find there are some very sadistic Master's/Dom's out there that you sub's/slave's seem to gravitate to and I don't know why. Fisting, mutilation, beaten unconscious, ritual murder, choking, male sub's forced into unprotected sex with other men for no other reason than their Master/Mistress said so. Why??? When you acquire AID's and your Master/Mistress/Dom/Domme kick's you out the door because he/she has used you all up, then what are you going to do?
 
What have you missed out of in life that has led you down this path? Do you love pain and suffering? Does it feel THAT good?


As LA said, why should there be a better answer than "I was born that way"

I grew up in and am still part of a loving family. There was no abuse or neglect. I have not missed out on anything in my life nor do I seek someone out to fill a void in my life. I am in a relationship that I am happy, fullfilled, comfortable and totally controlled in. It has nothing to do with my past and all to do with who I am.

As you say you are new to BDSM and your fetish is for light bondage. There are many subs out there who will have the same fetish. But there are a whole lot of other people out there who have a whole lot of other fetishes. Don't expect everyone to be the same. I for one do not like pain but I am in a relationship with someone who would probably be described as sadistic. For me it is not the pain that I love it is the fact that I am pleasing him by taking the pain he loves to inflict.

So there are all shades of relationships in BDSM. Take the one you are happy with and leave the rest.  

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RE: What were you missing in life? - 10/14/2007 5:11:46 AM   
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going with the masses here. LA said it perfectly

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RE: What were you missing in life? - 10/14/2007 5:17:03 AM   
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Some people are adreniline junkies. They do extreme sports. They do BMX instead of just going for a bike ride. They view wiitwd in the same way. Nobody starts on day one with needle play or objectification or degradation.

We start slow and ramp up until we get to a level that is satisfying. For you it's light bondage. For someone else that may not be enough spice.

Do you also think that anyone who eats 5 alarm chili is sick and has a history of abuse? Because why else would they subject themselves to burning their mouth and have tears come to their eyes? It's just a taste bud thing, different people prefer different tastes.

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RE: What were you missing in life? - 10/14/2007 5:40:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Celeste43

Some people are adreniline junkies. They do extreme sports. They do BMX instead of just going for a bike ride. They view wiitwd in the same way. Nobody starts on day one with needle play or objectification or degradation.

We start slow and ramp up until we get to a level that is satisfying. For you it's light bondage. For someone else that may not be enough spice.

Do you also think that anyone who eats 5 alarm chili is sick and has a history of abuse? Because why else would they subject themselves to burning their mouth and have tears come to their eyes? It's just a taste bud thing, different people prefer different tastes.


Oooh, I can't handle 5-Alarm Chili... but I DO Love 5-Alarm Submission!!

juliet

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RE: What were you missing in life? - 10/14/2007 5:45:20 AM   
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to answer your questions, i had a unique childhood in which i became a mini adult by the time i was 6yrs old. i was fiercely independent ...could manage and navigate the transit system (alone) better than other adult and had adults as friends. i was no longer treated like a child though at times i was.

however the one thing missing from my life was having a daddy. my father at the time was (and still is) a career military man showing affection and/or being there for me - well that had to take a back seat because dad's off to DC or Sam Houston, etc. the only time i was able to spend a few moments with him if i was in his office at base - other than that, good luck. not saying i was neglected emotionally just never had a "real" father like most of my friends.

that's what attracted me to Daddy.  i missed having a dad telling me "no" when i wanted something (yes being the only child does have it perks especially if you're the only girl too) or nuturing my hidden talents into i would love and enjoy as career (was put down for wanting to become a writer) ...or guiding me to find that one special person who would ultimately make me happy in life. Daddy has done that and more for me than i have with my real father.  my real dad knows he was a crappy father when i was growing up and in way he's making up by spending more time with his granddaughters.  yet with Daddy, i have the Fatherdaughter relationship i've always wanted.

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RE: What were you missing in life? - 10/14/2007 6:22:44 AM   
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I had to do reply here... partly because I don't follow orders well (personality flaw... I know) and the other is to tell Julietsierra that I loved her response... thank you for taking the time to post that!
 
Just because someone loves or craves pain doesn't mean they are crying out for something that is or was missing in their lives, it simply means they enjoy that sensation. I love a good foot massage but can't stand feeling like someone is trying to tear the muscles from the bone type shoulder massages... it's all about the sensation.
 
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RE: What were you missing in life? - 10/14/2007 7:17:04 AM   
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Ritual murder??

Do not troll happy fun subbies!

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RE: What were you missing in life? - 10/14/2007 7:29:50 AM   
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I wasn't missing anything in my life. I was raised by a wonderful and loving mother and an equally wonderful step-father, who I considered my dad regardless of DNA. I was not verbally, physically or sexually abused. My childhood was a childhood, I didn't have to grow up too early or accept resonsibility that I was too young to bear. We were taught to learn from our mistakes, accept responsibility, and to laugh and enjoy life.

I choose to be submissive because I enjoy it. There isn't one simple answer as to why I chose this lifestyle, and I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels this way. You enjoy light bondage, and that is fine for you. Others, including me, take it further than that. It doesn't mean that any one way is the right way, it's just a matter of different tastes. As far as I am concerned, I am not abused in my relationship even though I do enjoy more extreme activities than you. Being submisive has not "broken" me, I am not a meek or sad person who enjoys being a doormant. It takes strength (physical and mental) to be submissive, and in a healthy relationship, you can become even stronger.

People who look for a flaw as an excuse for the lifestyle need a better understanding. Are you asking this question because it bothers you and you are looking for a flaw and a quick fix to these damaged psyches? I consider myself to be a relatively normal adult with no childhood tragedies. I am happy and well-balanced in my life. Have you looked into your own reasons for enjoying light bondage? Turn this question back to yourself...why do you enjoy this? What damaged your little psyche as a child that you feel the need to pursue these interests?

I apologize if this seems confrontational. I am getting frustrated with people asking me the same old question of "were you abused as a child?"

< Edited for typos.


< Message edited by cautiousiasub -- 10/14/2007 7:32:01 AM >


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RE: What were you missing in life? - 10/14/2007 8:18:08 AM   
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Everyone is a product of their life experiences - good and bad. I had a challenging childhood, but I also had older male friends who watched over and protected me. The positive reinforcement I got from "my boys" was just as instrumental to my desire to please, as the survival skill of doing exactly what I was told at home. I can not ignore either the positive or negative influences life had upon the development of my character, and my submissive nature.

Something that is generally ignored by those who presume submissives are abused and broken souls, is that sometimes, even if a submissive person did come from a childhood that was less than Rockwellian, that does not mean they are incapable of being/becoming a whole person then exploring submission.

I've done a hell of a lot of therapy in my life. Jungian/cognative behaviour modification - hours and hours of flat out hard work to become an emotionally and mentally stable person. I've waited to express/embrace submission until that work felt as complete as it was ever going to get. I walk into submission knowing how to set boundaries, stand up for myself, make wise relationship choices, recognize abusive behaviours, and knowing how to recognize my triggers (and discuss/minimize them). I know my old hurts are still there, but 95% healed. I've made peace with all the unfair challenges I had to face as a child and young adult. I am a fully functioning, self-actualized person, who happens to be submissive. (and one of my biggest pet peeves is people who think BDSM is a substitute for therapy.)

Someone could have had the exact same childhood as I, done the same work I've done, and walked out of it comfortable with their dominance - but we never hear people asking if dominants were abused as children, do we? I always wonder why that is, actually...

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RE: What were you missing in life? - 10/14/2007 9:07:03 AM   
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Ok, first I think you are reading a bit too much into what is online only and to what someone's fantasy might be. was i born a submissive? yea i guess you could say that.  i have always been the one that would do anything to make sure all were happy. My relationships in HS were always about pleasing the guy i was with, whether i wanted to have sex or not. When i met my first Master he showed me this life. i havent looked back. As for murder and what not. i am a painslut. i freely admit that. My Owner is a Sadist :). see it works out great. i crave pain he really enjoys giving it. But its more then that. Thats just the icing on the cake. i get to make HIM happy, in turn making myself happy hearing good slut or a pat on the head. i get to take care of his needs in turn feeding my needs. While not everyone is into a painslut or a slave and others only want only one type. Each finds their other half if they are lucky enough to. the two making a whole. Any true Dom/Me is going to make sure their property is taken care of, looked after and NOT put in harms way.  My Master is my Owner, he is NOT going to let my health, body what have you decline because then i fail to serve him.  That in turn does NOT make him happy.

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RE: What were you missing in life? - 10/14/2007 9:17:17 AM   
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What have you missed out of in life that has led you down this path?


Well, I never got that Daisy BB Gun, nor the Red Ryder Wagon, so I decided
to live the rest of my life in the god awful pain and misery which you describe.

Oh whoa is me, oh whoa is me.

chia* (the pet)

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You can stick me in the corner, but I'll probably just end up coloring on the walls.

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RE: What were you missing in life? - 10/14/2007 9:21:59 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: chiaThePet

quote:

ORIGINAL: Woodhunter
 
What have you missed out of in life that has led you down this path?


Well, I never got that Daisy BB Gun, nor the Red Ryder Wagon, so I decided
to live the rest of my life in the god awful pain and misery which you describe.

Oh whoa is me, oh whoa is me.

chia* (the pet)


I'm like I am because I didn't get a pony.

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RE: What were you missing in life? - 10/14/2007 9:28:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

quote:

ORIGINAL: chiaThePet

quote:

ORIGINAL: Woodhunter
 
What have you missed out of in life that has led you down this path?


Well, I never got that Daisy BB Gun, nor the Red Ryder Wagon, so I decided
to live the rest of my life in the god awful pain and misery which you describe.

Oh whoa is me, oh whoa is me.

chia* (the pet)


I'm like I am because I didn't get a pony.


Oops, you said pony, now your mailbox is gonna fill up with all kinds
of neighs and whinnies that you might be complete. Hi'O Silver, Away.

chia* (the pet)

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You can stick me in the corner, but I'll probably just end up coloring on the walls.

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RE: What were you missing in life? - 10/14/2007 9:45:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

quote:

ORIGINAL: chiaThePet

quote:

ORIGINAL: Woodhunter
 
What have you missed out of in life that has led you down this path?


Well, I never got that Daisy BB Gun, nor the Red Ryder Wagon, so I decided
to live the rest of my life in the god awful pain and misery which you describe.

Oh whoa is me, oh whoa is me.

chia* (the pet)


I'm like I am because I didn't get a pony.



I didn't get a telescope......so when my next door neighbor's hair stylist's plumber's dog groomer told me that if was a good girl and I let some guy boss me around, tie me up and beat me, I might get one.... well I signed right up. 


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