luvdragonx
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ORIGINAL: Leonidas
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Men shouldn't dictate what women that don't belong to them look like. Women, on the other hand, have no business telling men what they are and are not allowed to find attractive, or hurling invective at them if they don't conform.
I can almost agree with this. Men shouldn't dictate what any woman looks like regardless of ownership. If it's a heath issue, that's one thing. If it's purely aesthetics, that man should ask himself why he wants it. And while women shouldn't try to change a man's opinion of what he finds attractive, he conversely shouldn't contend that his ideal is THE ideal.
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The old tired saw that the ad industry is somehow dictating what women should look like is just plain crap. It's nonsensical on its face if you give it even the smallest investment of logical thought. If Budwiser could sell more beer with commercials full of BBWs than it could with curvy, nubile women who radiate youth and sexual vitality, do you really think they'd sell less beer just on principal to "shame" BBWs? Nah. Not in this lifetime. They put in their ads what the vast majority of men like to look at. Does that make the vast majority of men shallow? Not in the least. It makes them men.
It's not crap. It's like the chicken and the egg debate. Which came first? To say that the ad industry is not perpetuating the stereotypes is crap. If Budweiser had always used thick women in their advertising, you think they couldn't sell beer? Body images are SOLD to us every damn day. Weight loss programs, pills, plastic surgery. If 30% of the American population is over-weight, why is 90% (i'm just guessing) of said marketing done with size 4-6 models? You think if Bud used size 14 women of the same proportion as their thin models, guys would like it any less? Men look at it because they're available to look at, not necessarily because of preference. You think men who prefer thick women change the channel when a Budweiser commercial comes on? Doubtful. Men are gonna look at women, period. Because, as you said, they are men.
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The vast majority (but certainly not all) men are attracted to women who appear fit, and nubile, and vital. It has far less to do with how men are socialized than it has to do with how, on a visceral level, men evaluate the fitness of women for reproduction. Over the millions of years of our evolution, men who preferred to mate with women who were young, vital, and strong enough to survive gestation and childbirth had an advantage (in the evolutionary sense). The vast majority of men living today have inherited that preference.
Ok, explain this to me. Since when have fake breasts, narrow hips and no bodyfat been ideal for reproduction? Physically fit does not automatically equal thin. There some female body builders that look bigger than I am. She's physically fit, you want her in your beer commercial? Female athletes - basketball players, weight-lifters, volleyball players, downhill skiers, gymnasts, softball players, cyclists - are all physically fit, yet the majority don't look like the women in the beer commercials.
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The women that you're likely to see in a beer commercial have a body type that is far more common among hunter-gatherers than it is in our society. The bodies of many of us reflect the fact that we live in a world where we have unlimited access to calories for which we don't have to work very hard. If we still had to forage and hunt 12-16 hours a day to feed ourselves (doing a lot of walking, bending, etc. in the process) the BBW (or obese man) would be a rarity. A study was done one time of the Amish, among whom only about 4% are clinically obese versus about 30% for the rest of us. The presupposition of the researchers was that their diet was healthier. They discovered that it's not. It's horrible, in fact, according to the common wisdom. What the researchers ultimately found is that if you do hard physical work all day, every day, you can eat more or less anything you want.
Check out the Discovery channel. Or the History channel. Or your public television station. Find a show on hunter/gatherers and look at the women in that society. Their breasts aren't perky, they aren't narrow-hipped or flat stomached. When you had to work for your food, a well fed woman, i.e. plump, is a higher commodity than a skinny one. Why? Because she has access to food and physical reserves of body fat should times get hard and the food isn't as readily available. I will wholeheartedly agree that the balance between physical activity and caloric intake is skewed for most of Western society, and we as individuals should take stock of what is healthy for each of us, not what some anonymous researcher says.
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If you want to be a "proud BBW" that is just fine. Just be willing to accept the consequences of that choice. Those being that the vast majority of men will choose a more fit, nubile woman over you, given the choice. Notice I say given the choice. Even though it's true that the vast majority of men will seek out a more nubile woman, any woman is better than no woman at all. Most BBWs have experienced this. The man who claimes to enjoy a BBW (I love you just like you are, honey), but oddly and mysteriously takes up with a fitter woman when the opportunity presents itself.
NO idea where you live or what you've experienced, but the majority of the situations I've witnessed first hand were the exact opposite. Many a man has cheated on his thin wife/girlfriend with a thick woman. Many times the jilted woman would say "I look so much better than her!!" and the man would respond with something to the effect of "She treats me better" or "She's more real". So while you have a point on what attracts a man may be physical, what keeps a man is (or should be) much more than that. And as for most "BBW" getting dumped for a skinny chick, I doubt it. If she gets dumped, it's probably for another thick woman.
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The point of this post, as is the point of many of my posts, is that you cannot be happy consistantly living at odds with your nature. It is why we see so many people professing one thing while doing another in our world. If you choose to be a "proud BBW" just understand that you are making a choice. You are choosing comfort and ease over sexual attractiveness and desirability to the opposite sex, by-in-large. Humans tend to like comfort and ease, and it is abundantly available in the affluent world that we have created. That many women (and men) would choose it, given the choice, is not hard to understand. As with any choice, you get something, and you give something up. As unfair and politically unacceptable as that may seem, it's just the way it is, I'm afraid
Ok hold up. You want me to believe these 36HHs, curvy hips, shapely legs, smooth skin, gorgeous eyes and knock-out smile aren't sexually attractive? Give me a f--king break.
< Message edited by luvdragonx -- 7/31/2005 2:36:10 PM >
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