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moki1984 -> pro domme websites (10/14/2007 3:28:24 PM)
hey curious, I was looking online at Pro Dommes sites and I was wondering if some here would want to share their sites ? just want to look thru them

LadyIce -> RE: pro domme websites (10/14/2007 3:34:05 PM)
There is a section at the bottom of the message boards for Professional Dominants, they can list their websites down there.

DianeB269 -> RE: pro domme websites (10/14/2007 3:37:01 PM)
There's a bunch of sites here http://www.maxfisch.com/ Diane

LadyPact -> RE: pro domme websites (10/15/2007 6:05:41 AM)
Yes, sorry, but the minute the pro eliment is included, I lose interest.

DiannaVesta -> RE: pro domme websites (10/15/2007 4:30:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Yes, sorry, but the minute the pro eliment is included, I lose interest. why is that? Please explain? I don't offer sessions by the hour but I do offer phone sessions and ongoing slave training. www.diannavesta.com if you have questions about any of this please feel free to email me.

Jasmyn -> RE: pro domme websites (10/15/2007 4:40:31 PM)
Moki you can check out my site ... www.misjnz.com and if you have any question re pro domming, like Dianna (hey btw chick), don't hesitate to flick me a message. Jasmyn

BoiJen -> RE: pro domme websites (10/15/2007 5:04:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Yes, sorry, but the minute the pro eliment is included, I lose interest. Element Anyways... Max Fisch is a great site also look into getting a hold of DDI the magazine for local, national and international Pro Domme listings as well as other cool stuff. Visiting an individual Pro Domme's site will give you pretty good perspective for what they're looking for and what they do. If you're interested in doing video work or what not try visiting the home pages for BDSM videographers and offering to be a model. Good luck and be sure to have fun and be respectful most of all.

LadyHibiscus -> RE: pro domme websites (10/15/2007 8:34:14 PM)
DDI is fabulous, and hilarious! When we were planning our ad, we had a great time catting over the deeply alarming ads, and wishing we had the resources to do the hyperglam ones. Former pro domme, if you have questions, feel free to ask.

JordanNYC -> RE: pro domme websites (10/15/2007 8:59:59 PM)
I'm an avid poster on maxfisch. Love it

LadyPact -> RE: pro domme websites (10/15/2007 10:23:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Yes, sorry, but the minute the pro eliment is included, I lose interest. why is that? Please explain? I don't offer sessions by the hour but I do offer phone sessions and ongoing slave training. www.diannavesta.com if you have questions about any of this please feel free to email me. A very direct question. I do wish I had a rather direct answer for you. (btw, boijen, thank you for your correction.) At this point in time, I do not feel My heart or My inner self is pulled that way. Of course, like many, I've received the various offers, and on the surface, they can sound very appealing. That random thought, quit the normal job, do what I love to do, etc., etc. However, there is that part that talks to Me and remembers....... It's the money. In My eyes, money is power. When I give over the control to have My livelihood (sp) to another who controls the purse strings, I have lost something. It immediately becomes a consideration in how I make My decisions. What will I compromise? What limits am I willing to bend.... Or even break? Am I really still in control when the all Mighty dollar comes into play? Which parts of My soul am I willing to sell? Now, of course, I realize pro's don't necessarily think like I do. I keep wiitwd in a very sacred place to Me. It is part of Me. It's not for sale, or even for rent. It just....... is.

DiannaVesta -> RE: pro domme websites (10/16/2007 6:33:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Yes, sorry, but the minute the pro eliment is included, I lose interest. why is that? Please explain? I don't offer sessions by the hour but I do offer phone sessions and ongoing slave training. www.diannavesta.com if you have questions about any of this please feel free to email me. A very direct question. I do wish I had a rather direct answer for you. (btw, boijen, thank you for your correction.) At this point in time, I do not feel My heart or My inner self is pulled that way. Of course, like many, I've received the various offers, and on the surface, they can sound very appealing. That random thought, quit the normal job, do what I love to do, etc., etc. However, there is that part that talks to Me and remembers....... It's the money. In My eyes, money is power. When I give over the control to have My livelihood (sp) to another who controls the purse strings, I have lost something. It immediately becomes a consideration in how I make My decisions. What will I compromise? What limits am I willing to bend.... Or even break? Am I really still in control when the all Mighty dollar comes into play? Which parts of My soul am I willing to sell? Now, of course, I realize pro's don't necessarily think like I do. I keep wiitwd in a very sacred place to Me. It is part of Me. It's not for sale, or even for rent. It just....... is. Ok… I’m going to try and say this as respectfully as possible, however since you are so sincere about your feelings then I will offer same… Did you see the thread subject? “PRO DOMME WEBSITES” plain as day. If you have these opinions then why would you post such nonsense to a thread with said subject line? That’s what makes no sense to me and sometimes I find your honest points of view not only insulting to those who chose to work in this industry but down right ignorant. Now you have been honest in stating what you DON’T know, which is cool but why go out of your way to sling some shit into stated subject? Dear lady trust me when I say to you that you NOTHING about the professional dynamic which is ok but don’t start up with this sacred, not for sale/rent shit. I mean give it up and state the basics…. You don’t expect anything in return but sincerity and service. Well good luck on that one. Hopefully and lucky for you after you kiss a million toads you won’t get the life drained out of you trying to find that prince. You’re damn right I make them pay to talk to me before I’ll even consider a meeting. Shit if I talked with every tom, dick and harry that emailed me I’d never make a living. I’d also open my doors up to countless thrills seekers & I ain’t doing that again. They might as well get use to doing things for me right up front because I will damn sure make them work their ass off. Lets get it straight right up front. In return I offer an unsurpassed journey of a lifetime… one that few women can emulate due to years of experiences both professionally and personally. No my energy and passion is not for sale but for everything I am I expect total devotion and adoration. That comes in many forms including, but not limited to, dollars and cents. Yep money is power which is why I enjoy taking it! Lol No but on a serious note, we’ve beat this dead dog over & over. Please let it go because we know there are those who support it and those that don’t. Lets leave it at that and move on to topics we all enjoy and benefit from. Don’t insult people that think differently or work in the adult industry AT ANY CAPACITY, please. The sex industry is a wonderful thing and face the facts... if it wasn't for the industry none of us would be here right now.

BoiJen -> RE: pro domme websites (10/16/2007 7:25:10 AM)
Thank you Ms Vesta, You put several things to light. To piggy back if you don't mind... Who says you have to bend or break your limits? Who says you have to take every "customer" up front? For every low-life no-show lazy fuck there's a guy out there, or girl, who's willing to go the extra mile. Whether it be coming to aide you physically or financially. As a Pro domme, you are supposed to be the one in control of the mighty Dollar. Why on earth would you allow some manipulating little shit to turn that on you. I have sat quietly listening to initial interviews on the phone. And the minute anyone has ever shown the inclination to say "Well, I'm the one paying the money here...." I get the sheer joy of hearing "Well if you feel that way then you can go and disrespect some bitch who doesn't have the ovaries to put you in your place. How's that for you?" Just cuz they're paying doesn't mean they're the last person on earth who will pay. Nor does it mean they are less of a person for paying. Financial control is part of the thrill and joy for many women...and for many men it's a thrill to be able to "provide" in such a manner. Personally, given all aspets of my relationship aside, if I won the lottery there are several Pro's who be receiving a gift just cuz. I have an appreciation for these women and the work that they do...why on earth wouldn't I show it readily and willingly? Before you go off and say "well that's you" I'm not unique in my thinking. Just as you aren't either LadyPact. Later Ladies.

LadyPact -> RE: pro domme websites (10/16/2007 9:40:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta why is that? Please explain? Ok… I’m going to try and say this as respectfully as possible, however since you are so sincere about your feelings then I will offer same… Did you see the thread subject? “PRO DOMME WEBSITES” plain as day. If you have these opinions then why would you post such nonsense to a thread with said subject line? That’s what makes no sense to me and sometimes I find your honest points of view not only insulting to those who chose to work in this industry but down right ignorant. Now you have been honest in stating what you DON’T know, which is cool but why go out of your way to sling some shit into stated subject? Dear lady trust me when I say to you that you NOTHING about the professional dynamic which is ok but don’t start up with this sacred, not for sale/rent shit. I mean give it up and state the basics…. You don’t expect anything in return but sincerity and service. Well good luck on that one. Hopefully and lucky for you after you kiss a million toads you won’t get the life drained out of you trying to find that prince. You’re damn right I make them pay to talk to me before I’ll even consider a meeting. Shit if I talked with every tom, dick and harry that emailed me I’d never make a living. I’d also open my doors up to countless thrills seekers & I ain’t doing that again. They might as well get use to doing things for me right up front because I will damn sure make them work their ass off. Lets get it straight right up front. In return I offer an unsurpassed journey of a lifetime… one that few women can emulate due to years of experiences both professionally and personally. No my energy and passion is not for sale but for everything I am I expect total devotion and adoration. That comes in many forms including, but not limited to, dollars and cents. Yep money is power which is why I enjoy taking it! Lol No but on a serious note, we’ve beat this dead dog over & over. Please let it go because we know there are those who support it and those that don’t. Lets leave it at that and move on to topics we all enjoy and benefit from. Don’t insult people that think differently or work in the adult industry AT ANY CAPACITY, please. The sex industry is a wonderful thing and face the facts... if it wasn't for the industry none of us would be here right now. Very simply put, I answered your question with My comments. I didn't come on the thread looking to "sling shit" as you put it. You asked Me a specific question. I returned a specific answer. Of course it's obvious that I don't know anything about the industry. I don't do it, so how on earth would I know? Just like I wouldn't expect you to know anything about My occupation if you'd never worked in My field. Actually, you make a very clear mistake in some of your comments to Me. The fact is that I do have a respect for the industry itself. In My limited knowledge of it, I think it has a place. Let's face it. Some of your customers (I don't know if that's the proper term) wouldn't be customers if their own situations were different. You've said yourself in some of your prior posts that some of the folks who use your services come to you because of things they can't find elsewhere. Isn't that kind of why the industry exists in the first place? Supply and demand must come into it somewhere. If the demand wasn't there, to use your own words, you wouldn't make a living then, either. Unless I'm mistaken (and I very well could be), you are a lifestyle, as well as a professional Domme. Doesn't that mean that there is a seperation between those two facets? Aren't there relationships that you have in your personal life that you wouldn't put a pricetag on? Well, since I'm just a lifestyle person, without the professional part added in. I have just that part to go on. Just the parts that I wouldn't consider having or doing for money. The other thing that you missed is that I don't expect everyone to think like I do. I'm almost certain that professionals don't think like I do, and that might be one of the reasons they have chosen their field. Aren't there occupations out there that you just wouldn't do? Just because you wouldn't do them, doesn't necessarily mean that you disrespect the people who work in them. It's not a direct correlation, which you seem to be implying is the case here. In truth, you asked Me for My honest opinion, and you got it. I'm sorry you didn't seem to like it, but that's another matter.

LadyPact -> RE: pro domme websites (10/16/2007 10:16:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen Thank you Ms Vesta, You put several things to light. To piggy back if you don't mind... Who says you have to bend or break your limits? Who says you have to take every "customer" up front? For every low-life no-show lazy fuck there's a guy out there, or girl, who's willing to go the extra mile. Whether it be coming to aide you physically or financially. As a Pro domme, you are supposed to be the one in control of the mighty Dollar. Why on earth would you allow some manipulating little shit to turn that on you. I have sat quietly listening to initial interviews on the phone. And the minute anyone has ever shown the inclination to say "Well, I'm the one paying the money here...." I get the sheer joy of hearing "Well if you feel that way then you can go and disrespect some bitch who doesn't have the ovaries to put you in your place. How's that for you?" Just cuz they're paying doesn't mean they're the last person on earth who will pay. Nor does it mean they are less of a person for paying. Financial control is part of the thrill and joy for many women...and for many men it's a thrill to be able to "provide" in such a manner. Personally, given all aspets of my relationship aside, if I won the lottery there are several Pro's who be receiving a gift just cuz. I have an appreciation for these women and the work that they do...why on earth wouldn't I show it readily and willingly? Before you go off and say "well that's you" I'm not unique in my thinking. Just as you aren't either LadyPact. Later Ladies. I kind of wanted to seperate My comments on this subject, so I did two seperate quotes. First of all, if I've never mentioned this before, I really like the way you approach things. I think your Mistress is very fortunate to have someone like you, especially in the sense of humor department. Thank you for the little laugh you gave Me while showing Me a different point of view. Truthfully, you are very right about not having to take everyone's money. I have absolutely no clue how which customers (I'm still not sure if that's the proper term, so hang with Me a bit) are chosen and what the criteria is. In My limited knowledge, I would have to think that as a professional is more established, they probably get to pick and chose more, rather than when they are first starting out. I could be wrong about that, but I'm thinking along the same lines as it was discussed with a lawyer friend of Mine. When starting his practice, he took cases in the beginning that he wouldn't necessarily take now. Gotta eat, you know? There's one thing in your reply that I very specifically want mention. I highlighted that one phrase up there because I wanted to make sure that I wasn't misunderstood on that point. I don't see anyone as less of a person for giving money in this regard (or those taking it either, but different point). In some cases (assumption here, don't flame Me) I have sympathy for certain situations. I know it's not the only reason, but don't some also become customers because they have yet to find what they are looking for? I understand there are other reasons, the thrill of the money thing in other cases and so on. But, from time to time posts come up from folks who pay for services because it's really the only option they have in their personal situation. When those pop up, I tend to feel kind of sad for them. I don't see them as less of a person. Just sad for the situation. (For someone who started out not so interested in the topic, I seem to have a lot to say on it. Maybe I'll even get lucky and learn a thing or two.) Anyway, My thanks again, for the spelling correction, a bit of a laugh, and sharing with Me a different perspective.

Jasmyn -> RE: pro domme websites (10/16/2007 10:58:16 AM)
I guess the question is ... if pro domming is mentioned, you lose interest .. what was the point of your initial post? If something doesn't interest me I tend to move along, ignore it, avoid it, or forget it ... I think going into threads (and it's not just you chick, it happens all over these boards and tiddlywink clubs) and showing a disinterest in a subject is insulting ...to the thread author ... who btw asked a genuine question ... and insulting to the people who do have an interest in a subject. ... meh ...maybe I'm being pedantic ...but really .. the point of your initial post was what?

BoiJen -> RE: pro domme websites (10/16/2007 12:01:13 PM)
There's just so much to respond to. Being a Pro doesn't have to come out of no where. You can start small..stuff on the side, out of regular work hrs, on weekends etc. Who says being a Pro HAS to start off as the mainstay of your livelihood? Many Pros I know who do have doing this wonderful thing as their only profession did not start off that way. It just became that way. I can see what you're saying in "What makes a professional session different from a 'personal play date'?" I cannot say for all hell I an only tell you what I've been told. MsK has certain limits that She won't break for anyone. Then She has limits based on legal libility. Then she has limits based on personal health preferences. That's for the professional sessions. For the personal ones...well Her limits are Her personal limits based on who She is and what She likes to do. Lines She's more than happy to cross with those She plays with personally and lines She would never cross with those She sees professionally. I won't say the intimacy seperates it. It doesn't. Playing wheather for pay or not is intimate no matter what. And that's why people pay. People often bitching about not "finding" what they want personally are seriously not looking. More often than not they show a lack of restraint and an unwillingness to put forth more effort. so they go out and get their fix. Professionals aren't here to make long lasting romantic relationships. Rarely do they make long lasting relationships with their clients anyways...it happens it just takes a special indiviual. Professionals are here to be the supply to a demand for temporary relief. When people complain it's because they don't realize that almost all Professionals have no interest in improving their clients' relationships outside of their sessions. Almost and for most clients. Not all. And most certainly not sincere individuals. I've found personally that Professionals expect more from their servants than those who are just "plain lifestylers." They expect service to really be service.There is clear distinction between play and servitude. Going down on you is not service...it's reward. Service is doing the dishes and the cat litter so that you have one less thing to worry about. And I have yet to meet a Professional who won't stomp that idea into the ground to anyone approaching them personally. And no offense Lady Pact...I'm on the bandwagon....if the topic was of a distaste to you then why did you even post? I wouldn't expect that you would personally appreciate a Professional coming to a private party you're hosting to walk in and start demanding tribuet for any play occuring that evening...it's just plain disrespectful. And back to a tax prep class....I think my business cards should read "Tax Preperations Services for the Metro Detroit Alternative Lifestyle Community...."

undergroundsea -> RE: pro domme websites (10/16/2007 12:21:02 PM)
I appreciate professional domination for the role it plays, and have many friends who are professional dommes. That said, I think there are two valid perspectives on the matter. And I think it is fair for one to share thoughts on a matter even if the thoughts do not agree with the OP. For instance, when a sub initiates a thread criticizing financial or professional domination, those who support the practice comment in its favor. I have gained insights from reading the different perspectives. Cheers, Sea

LadyPact -> RE: pro domme websites (10/16/2007 1:02:43 PM)
Actually, the thread has become a lot more interesting that I originally thought. Naw, I didn't show up just to piss in anyone's Wheaties, so to speak. I did kind of bump the thread back up to the top when it was going lower due to the few replies it had at that point. Now it's had the opportunity to become much more of a discussion. I happen to think that's a general benefit. Just a passing thought there. I tend to do the same when the discussions come around once in a while on other subjects. Just like I'll come on boards that are about, for example, cd/tv/tg. Not My thing, but I learn a lot about the subject. I happen to be learning a lot about this one, too, even though I'm not in the area Myself. It's a casual learning, and still something I wouldn't be interested in doing, but I'm certainly appreciating what I'm gaining out of it. Last time I checked, these are discussion boards, open to anyone and everyone. There were a lot of comments in the follow up post, boijen provided that were especially educational. I have to again say thanks for that. MsK certainly is fortunate to have you.

moki1984 -> RE: pro domme websites (10/16/2007 1:10:55 PM)
wow all I was asking was for Pro Domme sites to view and look what happened lol. To make even more amusing I know you in rl LadyPact hah.

LadyPact -> RE: pro domme websites (10/16/2007 1:16:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: moki1984 wow all I was asking was for Pro Domme sites to view and look what happened lol. To make even more amusing I know you in rl LadyPact hah. I know, Hon. That's why I was hoping that, even though My comment wasn't especially a positive, it still did bump the thread up and it got more responses. P.S. That car wreck I had last week was literally Me on the way to the munch. The three of U/us will have to catch you at the next one.

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