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RE: punishments - 10/20/2007 7:57:33 AM   
celticlord2112


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ORIGINAL: BossyShoeBitch

I disagree with most here who say her Dom is taking the easy way out.. I view this assignment as akin to sending her outside to pick out her own switch for a whipping.. or stingy nettles..*weg*   No where did she say that her Dom was unsure of how to punish her, or too lazy to punish her.. He is making her really think about this.  Long and hard.
Personally, if Michael ever gave me an assignment like this, you can be damn sure I'd behave properly going forward!  Luckily, I'm an angel ..



The submissive should not be allowed to select the punishment for her misdeeds--that would represent an abdication of authority by the dominant.  However, discussion of what punishment is appropriate and why can be an effective way of focusing the submissive's thoughts on her bad behavior and the consequences thereof. 

If the purpose of punishment is to modify and moderate the submissive's behavior, such contemplation is an absolute necessity.


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RE: punishments - 10/20/2007 7:57:57 AM   
fsub4use


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Status: offline 		i don't think this is cheating on an assignment.... it takes a very strong person to say - i'm stuck... i don't know which way to turn.... that strikes me as very submissive and wise.  i like it when a Dom asks me because it teaches so many things - what is true for me, what am i thinking, how bad was my behavior from MY perspective... this assignment could be "give me an idea" because he's clueless.  i rather like the mental fuck of her choosing her own punishments - sometimes subs choose harsher punishments than Doms would give.  And don't tell me that Doms don't discuss this and brag about the punishments they mete out.... We all get ideas from each other.

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RE: punishments - 10/20/2007 9:44:26 AM   
chellekitty


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Status: offline 		if i were stuck on an assignment i would go to friends and other people i knew and that knew me and that i could trust their answers...not a message board full of strangers...but i am weird like that....

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RE: punishments - 10/20/2007 1:12:50 PM   
SimplyMichael


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Status: offline 		While I understand why some might read the op and think the dom is clueless, I am not so sure.  I am sure that those who think she is lazy are being overly harsh.  I would hope that there are people who could dream up punishments I couldn't.  I love hearing about some new deliciously evil or sadistic way of fucking with someone or punishing them. 

Also, if I have to spend my day as a dominant punishing some all the time, I am going to kick her ass out pretty quick.  Having her do this makes my life easier and her more obedient.  Plus who knows, she may either come up with something effective AND or hot.

Oh, and the guy has his act together, telling her if any of them are lame he will use a harsh one from the list to punish her for cheating is pretty clever.

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RE: punishments - 10/20/2007 1:42:11 PM   
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I don't believe it's cheating to ask for help. If you have to write out an essay for your history class, is it cheating to go look in history books? What if you have a friend who's a professor of history.. is it cheating to ask his opinions on circumstances pertaining to your topic or is it cheating to go to a history forum and ask for input and feedback? To me, this is all the same, books, friends, boards.. it's still getting input and doesn't mean you don't have to do the work. Unless her dominant told her she had to do it all on her own, using only her own ideas, then it seems to me to be pretty creative to go to external sources to fill the requirements of the assignment.

OP:

You wiggle to much during spankings so that the blush isn't even? Sit in a shallow bowl filled with red dye. It will wear off ... eventually.

Forget to turn off the lights? Take down every lightbulb in the house, dust it by hand, then replace it. Then do that again and then once more. We have 35 lightbulbs in our house.. so that's a lot of dusting, stretching and replacing.

Get a speeding ticket? Wear hobbles around the house for a day while balancing a book on your head. That should slow you down.

Okay, the first three are free.. more, I'd have to charge ya.

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RE: punishments - 10/20/2007 8:33:48 PM   
Focus50


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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

While I understand why some might read the op and think the dom is clueless, I am not so sure.  I am sure that those who think she is lazy are being overly harsh. 

Speaking for myself and at the risk of turning "bush lawyer", I didn't say her dom was clueless, I said it *shows him to be....* - there is a difference.  While others may have said the OP is being lazy (I didn't read all the posts), I think it's him who is.

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I would hope that there are people who could dream up punishments I couldn't.  I love hearing about some new deliciously evil or sadistic way of fucking with someone or punishing them. 

I don't claim to be overly creative myself, so the girl's input is always welcome.  But that's more about adding finishing touches to the basic structures I always had in place before I even met her.  That and the knowledge that what works on one submissive may be futile on another, so one adapts....

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Also, if I have to spend my day as a dominant punishing some all the time, I am going to kick her ass out pretty quick.  Having her do this makes my life easier and her more obedient.  Plus who knows, she may either come up with something effective AND or hot.

Crikey, you've surely been around enough to know many people, esp newbies, rationalise "punishment" as a vanilla concept where anything to do with the giving of pain or restriction in general is perceived as punishment because it's supposedly undesired.  Many confuse the administering of discipline as being punishment.  To me, the *HUGE* difference is the mood her actions may bring out in me - I love to discipline my girl but I'd only punish her if she's actually made me angry!
 
If the OP genuinely means PUNISHMENT, I doubt I could come up with 15 different examples of it.  I have ONE punishment that's worked effectively with every sub I've known and that we've each (D & s) loathed the rare occasions its been warranted.

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Oh, and the guy has his act together, telling her if any of them are lame he will use a harsh one from the list to punish her for cheating is pretty clever.

Well, maybe it's clever in the world of pre-school sandbox politics but I'd think any moron can pick and choose once the real work of compiling that selection is laid out in front of him....
 
Focus.

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RE: punishments - 10/20/2007 8:42:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BossyShoeBitch

Personally, if Michael ever gave me an assignment like this, you can be damn sure I'd behave properly going forward!  Luckily, I'm an angel ..


you soooooooooooooooooooo are not. *I'M* the Angel!


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RE: punishments - 10/20/2007 8:44:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

quote:

ORIGINAL: BossyShoeBitch

I disagree with most here who say her Dom is taking the easy way out.. I view this assignment as akin to sending her outside to pick out her own switch for a whipping.. or stingy nettles..*weg*   No where did she say that her Dom was unsure of how to punish her, or too lazy to punish her.. He is making her really think about this.  Long and hard.
Personally, if Michael ever gave me an assignment like this, you can be damn sure I'd behave properly going forward!  Luckily, I'm an angel ..



The submissive should not be allowed to select the punishment for her misdeeds--that would represent an abdication of authority by the dominant.  However, discussion of what punishment is appropriate and why can be an effective way of focusing the submissive's thoughts on her bad behavior and the consequences thereof. 

If the purpose of punishment is to modify and moderate the submissive's behavior, such contemplation is an absolute necessity.



Nah having them pick it and then regret it is sometimes fun.  I'm evil like that.
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RE: punishments - 10/20/2007 8:47:11 PM   
hisdarlinsweetie


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Status: offline 		To those who had positive comments and suggestions, thank you!  I used punishments that were my own, but the suggestions did get me thinking more creatively.  For those who think I am lazy or my Sir is lazy, so be it.  For me, this assignment was a complete mindfuck.  I won't be doing anything punishable because I know what will happen to me.  I have been comsumed with thinking about punishments and avoiding them since this task was given to me, which is what my Sir wanted.  So, this task has worked according to why it was assigned.  Thanks again to those who were positive.

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RE: punishments - 10/20/2007 8:50:39 PM   
BossyShoeBitch


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ORIGINAL: KMsAngel

quote:

ORIGINAL: BossyShoeBitch

Personally, if Michael ever gave me an assignment like this, you can be damn sure I'd behave properly going forward!  Luckily, I'm an angel ..


you soooooooooooooooooooo are not. *I'M* the Angel!


Hey Angel!! I missed you!!
..and I stand corrected  *smile*

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RE: punishments - 10/21/2007 9:28:01 AM   
tulitukka


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Status: offline 		Whether the Dom is lazy or actually creative and good depends on what he intends to use the punishments for and with exact details of the relationship that we do not have.

Imagine a Dom and sub who are relatively new to each other. Using such a task could be used to find out the kind of punishments that the sub believes to be suitable to her. Making her decide harsh punishments also gives an opportunity to understand the limits that the sub believes she has. If I used this kind of a task, I would not be planning on using the punishments (though if they were suitable for some particular opportunity, I might). Instead, I would use it to deepen my understanding of the submissive I have taken responsibility for.

On the other end of the scale, there's the lazy dom who just wants her to do the job for him.

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RE: punishments - 10/21/2007 2:30:09 PM   
pleasureforck


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ORIGINAL: chellekitty

if i were stuck on an assignment i would go to friends and other people i knew and that knew me and that i could trust their answers...not a message board full of strangers...but i am weird like that....


Some of us don't have any friends or other people to go to for help and advice. I wish I had that but since I don't this message board is where I can go feeling safe to post and not be judged. The people on here may be strangers but they have helped me a lot.

hisdarlinsweetie, my Sir made me come up with my own punishment once. I have trouble with punishment because I feel so guilty and feel I should be punished more than he does sometimes. We are working on this and coming up with my own punishment showed him where my head was.

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RE: punishments - 10/21/2007 4:04:47 PM   
chellekitty


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Some of us don't have any friends or other people to go to for help and advice.


perhaps if you turned off the computer and ventured beyond your doorstep you would have friends....


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RE: punishments - 10/21/2007 10:00:52 PM   
ManOfAdventures


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Status: offline 		I try to be as specific as possible when giving orders, as well accounting for likely contingencies. So if I didn't want My sub to ask for help I would say so. Moreover, one of the things I have learned from training My dog (My real dog, this is not a metaphor) is never give a command they are not likely to obey.

Now, regarding possible punishments, often Master's disappointment is enough. It is My preferred method, indeed if My sub were to create created a list she would win points by including that.

But some good ones (and the severity gap is WIDE between these) I likea are:
  1. Shower time, with rapid variation between hot and cold. But your Master REALLY needs to know what He is doing here so as not to scald you. Lukewarm is often enough of a variation if cold is cold enough. I usually do this with My hand in the water stream for safety.
  2. Binding and then tickling you, until you pee. Then you work yourself free to clean it up. Preferably this is done somewhere you can lie in the puddle for a long time struggling.
  3. Kneeling on rice, this does not take nearly as long as you'd think, add a blowjob for extra points
  4. Public facial (or combine with rice kneeling from number three above)
  5. Spray bottle of water

I don't envy you asking Me

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< Message edited by ManOfAdventures -- 10/21/2007 10:10:08 PM >

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RE: punishments - 10/21/2007 10:09:55 PM   
LDRandAstarte


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ORIGINAL: BossyShoeBitch

I disagree with most here who say her Dom is taking the easy way out.. I view this assignment as akin to sending her outside to pick out her own switch for a whipping.. or stingy nettles..*weg*   No where did she say that her Dom was unsure of how to punish her, or too lazy to punish her.. He is making her really think about this.  Long and hard.
Personally, if Michael ever gave me an assignment like this, you can be damn sure I'd behave properly going forward!  Luckily, I'm an angel ..



Exactly, what she said. Like when I tell a sub that she will receive twelve swats with a cane for an infraction she made this morning, but she will receive them next saturday. Plenty of time to think!

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RE: punishments - 10/22/2007 8:25:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Some people don't live in a neighborhood, in which people are generally supportive of bdsm. It can be hard to find support from friends, if they're all vanilla and you're new to the lifestyle. Luckily, I do have someone I can talk to in real life, but not everyone has. And finding such people takes time and effort.

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RE: punishments - 10/22/2007 9:52:32 AM   
pleasureforck


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ORIGINAL: tulitukka

Some people don't live in a neighborhood, in which people are generally supportive of bdsm. It can be hard to find support from friends, if they're all vanilla and you're new to the lifestyle. Luckily, I do have someone I can talk to in real life, but not everyone has. And finding such people takes time and effort.


Exactly what I deal with. Most people in my life would not support my lifestyle choices and I'm sure it is the same for many others. I have told 1 of my friends and she accepts my choices but still I could not go to her asking advice. She doesn't live this lifesyle and would not be able to offer advice.

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RE: punishments - 10/22/2007 11:10:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		 My sub hated the overnight stay in our new vacuume bed, she was very sore the next day from not being able to move her joints all night. It was a long night for me too though - I had to stay up for safety reasons.  Another fine punishment if you like them is having her locked in a very tight corset for 24 hours. She will learn to hate it!  tighten every hour or so! LOL! Enjoy!

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RE: punishments - 10/22/2007 3:40:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		i'm sorry you feel that way....but i am sure there are other people in your town that feel the exact same way...and maybe if you reached out to them, they wouldn't be alone either...so...stop being selfish? risk being uncomfortable for the chance of comfort?


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RE: punishments - 10/22/2007 4:52:58 PM   
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