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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 9:43:25 AM   
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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 9:43:47 AM   
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My apparentment complex is in the city in university grounds.  So, we have a street on all four sides.


That sucks. Think of it as incentive to study hard, land a good job, and make enough money to not have to live in a city

i like engines. i've got one loud car and one loud bike (V-8 and V-twin, though not one that you'd expect), and i really enjoy listening to them roar. i would baby them out of our neighborhood out of courtesy, but on the road they get to sing. Why not? It's one of the rewards i give myself for going to work and paying a mortgage and all that shit. i like engines. Some people like golf, and wear those god-awful plaid and pastel pants, but hey, people gotta live together, you know?

With usable mirrors, a very highly-tuned sense of situational awareness, and air horns, i don't feel that i need loud pipes on all my vehicles.

But i like engines.

So there you go


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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 9:59:52 AM   
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loud pipes save lives


Bullshit.


well, you obviously have never ridden, but please, if you ever do, get a really really quiet bike...............

Because he thinks the "loud pipes saves lives" mantra that some motorcyclists spew is bullshit, he couldn't have ever ridden?  I have to call bullshit on that.  I've been riding for over 30 years and have ridden or owned just about every brand of motorcycle out there, and the dB level coming out of the exhaust had nothing to do with how drivers around me reacted until I pilled up next to them at a stoplight.

Loud pipes don't save lives.  Riders' awareness saves lives.

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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 10:07:37 AM   
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"To be honest, I keep hoping to hear one of them crash into a pole so I can have some silence; do they not care that people are trying to sleep? "  (quote from OP)

Do you not care that they have families, friends, jobs, and lives? You hope a person DIES because it wakes you for a moment and you have to roll over?  I PRAY you don't have an unmentionable that actually has the nerve to cry at night.

As for the others who say it's a MANLYNESS thing..... I'm all woman and i ride my OWN beside my Captain.  (and no, its not penis envy either)

You should look into how a small combustion engine works, what fuel/air ratio does, and what an engine sounds like that is not enclosed by steel. 




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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 10:09:26 AM   
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 "Hearing the same repetative sound, loudly, constantly.. not being able to appreciate the open air nor natural sounds, just the same disgusting noise coming out  ..."

 I read your profile and your logs on it.  I'm sure your read them aloud to yourself to make sure you're being heard.   Is that the repetative sound and disgusting noise you're talking about?  LOL

"So, as someone who can't understand why anyone would actually want to be around that sound.. why in the world do many motorcyclists like that noise machine that they put onto those bikes? "

Because they do. 
 

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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 10:11:27 AM   
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I prefer a quiet one for touring, for around the house a loud ass Harley however the cops are busting ass now with the new noise ordnance in our small town...bounty

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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 10:14:37 AM   
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sssshhhhh, listen closely, closer, closer, do you hear it no? that's why I got a honda VALKYRIE 6cyl, and quiet!!

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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 10:17:27 AM   
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I had a Honda shadow but moved up in the world lol,They are less expensive tho and a good start for those just getting into scooters

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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 10:24:42 AM   
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He decided to drop the bike.

I'm very sorry for the loss of your cousin, but I have to call bullshit on this too.

When riders say something like "yeah, I had to lay it down," it's a crock.  What they meant to say was "I panicked, grabbed a fistful of front brake, lost the front end and crashed" but that's not nearly as cool and calls their riding skills into question.  Decades ago, when the only brakes most motorcycles had were shitty drum brakes, there may have been some truth to the logic that you can stop quicker sliding on your chrome than staying upright, but today that's just not the case.  Except for very specific instances, you can stop a bike much faster on it's wheels than when it's on it's side.

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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 10:31:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MyCaptainsPet
You should look into how a small combustion engine works, what fuel/air ratio does, and what an engine sounds like that is not enclosed by steel. 


Was that for me? Actually I do understand very well how engines work. That's why I mentioned overscavenging. Lots of folks with only rudimentary knowledge of engines fail to realize that there's more to exhaust systems than restrictive vs open.

Bob

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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 10:31:39 AM   
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I'm a bikers rights activist and I lobby extensively on behalf of motorcyclists. 

The OP has a bias against bikers, its that simple. 

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ORIGINAL: MyCaptainsPet

"To be honest, I keep hoping to hear one of them crash into a pole so I can have some silence; do they not care that people are trying to sleep? "  (quote from OP)

Do you not care that they have families, friends, jobs, and lives? You hope a person DIES because it wakes you for a moment and you have to roll over?  I PRAY you don't have an unmentionable that actually has the nerve to cry at night.

As for the others who say it's a MANLYNESS thing..... I'm all woman and i ride my OWN beside my Captain.  (and no, its not penis envy either)

You should look into how a small combustion engine works, what fuel/air ratio does, and what an engine sounds like that is not enclosed by steel. 





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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 10:33:00 AM   
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I was just at Daytona Beach Biketoberfest on Thursday. The loud pipes were music to my ears. Like the Kiss song says, " I Love It Loud ".

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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 10:38:11 AM   
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When riders say something like "yeah, I had to lay it down," it's a crock.  What they meant to say was "I panicked, grabbed a fistful of front brake, lost the front end and crashed" but that's not nearly as cool and calls their riding skills into question.  Decades ago, when the only brakes most motorcycles had were shitty drum brakes, there may have been some truth to the logic that you can stop quicker sliding on your chrome than staying upright, but today that's just not the case.  Except for very specific instances, you can stop a bike much faster on it's wheels than when it's on it's side.
~stef


Thanks, stef for that. "Laying it down" is like some kind of folksy urban myth type thing. I also know some guys who have crashed because they "broke traction".

To me "I had to lay it down" is code for "I decided to have an accident" and "It broke traction" means "I lost control of my bike".

Bob

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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 10:44:46 AM   
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I'm a bikers rights activist and I lobby extensively on behalf of motorcyclists. 
The root of the OP's argument isnt the noise, it's about being anti-biker.
It always is....TIH

Since the OP complains at least  3 times about NOISE especially late at  night I can only assume that Bikers Rights activist means
Trick Cyclist
where things can mean anything but what they say
or
Lawyer
where things mean what the lawyer says they mean.

both somewhat similar really.

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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 10:44:59 AM   
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Hey Desert Rat " I had to lay it down " is code word to me, that they had too many beers to be riding, in some cases. We have a place on the river around here called the Union Hotel and every now and then some one has one too many and either gets home hurt or never makes it home. I go out there and drink soda only and get a pit beef sandwich.

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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 10:47:25 AM   
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It's not about loud bikes, its about the behavior of SOME motorcyclists. 

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheIronHorse
I'm a bikers rights activist and I lobby extensively on behalf of motorcyclists. 
The root of the OP's argument isnt the noise, it's about being anti-biker.
It always is....TIH

Since the OP complains at least  3 times about NOISE especially late at  night I can only assume that Bikers Rights activist means
Trick Cyclist
where things can mean anything but what they say
or
Lawyer
where things mean what the lawyer says they mean.

both somewhat similar really.

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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 10:47:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesertRat

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ORIGINAL: stef
When riders say something like "yeah, I had to lay it down," it's a crock.  What they meant to say was "I panicked, grabbed a fistful of front brake, lost the front end and crashed" but that's not nearly as cool and calls their riding skills into question.  Decades ago, when the only brakes most motorcycles had were shitty drum brakes, there may have been some truth to the logic that you can stop quicker sliding on your chrome than staying upright, but today that's just not the case.  Except for very specific instances, you can stop a bike much faster on it's wheels than when it's on it's side.
~stef


Thanks, stef for that. "Laying it down" is like some kind of folksy urban myth type thing. I also know some guys who have crashed because they "broke traction".

To me "I had to lay it down" is code for "I decided to have an accident" and "It broke traction" means "I lost control of my bike".

Bob


laying it down can sometimes be preferable to hitting something head on at full speed......i may just be in a pissy mood this am, but yalls logic escapes me......not to mention this is all in response to someone who lost a loved one......

i have to call yalls opinions bullshit, since that seems to be the word of the day............

and i stick by my loud pipes save lives statement-folks may look at you funny when you pull up to a redlight and are loud, but at least they will know when youre in their blind spot, even when they cant see you to look at you funny.



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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 10:55:37 AM   
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On a technical note most of the graphs of power  v rpm that I have seen for after market, invariably noisier, exhausts (mufflers) may show a small increase in power at max. revs that increase  is usually accompanied by a power drop across the rev range

Some I have seen make things worse everywhere.
When that happens the magazine printing the test mindful of advertising revenue will comment on the " lovely sound " being produced.

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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 10:59:19 AM   
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If you have time to decide to lay it down, you also have time to nail the brakes. Brake pads and rubber, even skidding rubber, have much higher coefficients of friction than steel, aluminum, leather, or skin sliding on the road surface. Best to stay up on the wheels and scrub off speed with the brakes and tires. As for blind spots: stay out of 'em.

Bob

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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 11:21:44 AM   
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Loud pipes are a child yelling, "Look at me!"

I have been riding motorcycles since 1972. I have owned 84 of them and currently have 3. I've owned just about every type and brand. I have been a Motorcycle Safety Foundation Riding Instructor. There is no evidence in any safety study I have ever seen that loud pipes increase safety. The argument that they save lives is totally unsupported and anecdotal. In fact I believe they decrease safety by creating additional rider fatigue. (Yes, noise increases fatigue.) Additionally when a rider with loud pipes comes up fast and passes a car the noise of the bike will not actually be heard by the car's driver until the bike is quite close. (This is due to the way noise propagates around moving vehicles.) Then it will be perceived as very loud and very close. A natural reaction for a startled car driver is to turn and look toward the noise. In most cases a driver turning his/her head and upper body quickly will also tend to turn the wheel slightly in the same direction. So there is a very good chance the car will wind up swerving toward the bike. (By the way, this is the same reason you should not honk your car horn if you are approaching and passing a kid on a bicycle riding on the edge of the road. The kid is likely to be startled and swerve toward the noise as he looks for it.)

It's difficult to actually get statistical evidence on motorcycle safety since in general they are not separated from other types of vehicles in transportation safety studies. In the early 90's the University of North Carolina did a three year study that in fact did separate out motorcycle accidents. They found that there are 2 causes of accidents that account for 97% of all motorcycle accidents. They were about equal in numbers. The first was motorcycles operated by a rider who was under the influence of alcohol. In this type of accident it was generally a single vehicle accident, usually after dark, where the rider lost control of the motorcycle resulting in a wreck. The second type of accident was caused by a larger vehicle turning left across the path of the motorcycle. This could have been a left turn from an intersection or a left turn by opposite direction traffic and was normally in daylight in good weather. The best way for a rider to avoid this type of accident is to increase his/her visibility by running high beams (with the brightest headlight bulb that will fit the bike) in daytime riding. An argument could be made that loud pipes would help prevent this type of accident but no statistics support that. Additionally with modern cars being well sound insulated and with the volume levels of many car sound systems by the time loud pipes become a factor it will already be too late. Visibility is the key. This is proved out by the fact that this type accident almost never occurs at night when drivers naturally switch to looking for headlights instead of objects. A single headlight will still be quite visible in that situation and the left turn accident almost never happens after dark. So the best safety advice for any rider is, "Be seen, not heard."

A few other things about loud pipes. All motorcycles sold in over a decade in the US have come out of the dealership with quiet pipes that are mandated by the EPA. Any louder pipes are not street legal. All aftermarket pipes sold in the US that are louder than OEM pipes will be stamped with either, "For Racing Purposes Only" or, "Not Legal For Street Use" or something similar. Any pipe louder than OEM pipes is a violation of the law. The only thing keeping most "Loud Pipe" riders from getting strings of tickets and having their bikes impounded is simply that most law enforcement just can't be bothered to write tickets for noise.

Loud Pipes do have one certain affect though. They irritate local citizenry enough that bike bans are often enacted in many areas. Ask anyone at the American Motorcycle Association (AMA) headquarters, after fighting helmet laws they spend most of their legislative funds on fighting bike bans that are a direct result of riders with loud pipes. Every rider who thinks he is being cool riding around with loud pipes is actually making enemies for the riding community, including him/herself.

Unbaffled pipes are great for increasing top end horsepower which is fine if you are racing in excess of 100 mph all the time, but the lack of flow back pressure actually reduces low end torque which is a lot more useful for the average street rider. Unbaffled pipes also reduce fuel mileage, maybe not much of a factor for a bike, but with current fuel prices it is something to consider.

Finally my own anecdote - I had ridden my bike to a local department store. As I was leaving and began to mount and start my bike a little girl of about 3 years old was sitting in a shopping cart next to me while her mother unloaded the cart into their car. The girl saw me getting ready to start and put her fingers in her ears and squinted her face down. Why? Because experience around loud pipe bikes had already taught her that when my bike started it was going to hurt her ears. When I started up and my bike only made a soft purr she first looked surprised and then took her fingers out of her ears and gave me a big smile and a wave. Her mother had seen this go on and also smiled at me and then mouthed the words, "Thank You."

Quiet pipes can make friends for motorcycles.



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