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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 2:06:42 PM   
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Wow, this is the first time and probably the last time I agree with Charlie Sheen here.

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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 2:07:50 PM   
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It’s got *much* worse since mobile phones got so popular … people blithely wander across the road, chatting away, regardless.
It might be easier in US cities … you guys don’t allow peds to throw themselves off the pavement at will, right?  Something called “jay walking”?


Sounds like preaching the Highway Code to me. I’d also remind you that you need a licence to drive not walk.



How’s that “preaching”?  It’s merely pointing out something I’ve observed on countless occasions.  Peds wander out into traffic oblivious to hazards around them, often because they’re on the phone.  I really couldn’t give a flying rat’s toss about the Highway Code, they can break whatever law they feel like, assuming it doesn’t put a crimp in my day; what I’m interested in is not squishing them, so, on balance, I’d rather they weren’t so stupid, so often.

And no, you don't need a license to walk, but if you're going to walk around a busy city you do need to pay attention and cross where and when in appropriate places, at appropriate times.  If you don't it's no skin off my nose, but it may be substantially more off yours.

The absolute worst, though, in London at least, are cyclists.  Fucking menaces, most of them, and I'd agree with your earlier point that almost none of them seem to stop for red lights.
 
 

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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 2:11:23 PM   
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Alright, so this is the impression I'm getting.

The best argument for the noise right now seems to be that it can be a safety feature to promote driver awareness of the motorcyclist.  This argument strikes me as failing to consider the great deal of annoyance that it gives to others.

Some have suggested that the noise isn't all that beneficial, that the exposure to noise wears on the biker and prevents him from hearing things, contributing to a loss of safety.  One mentioned pipes that can electronically vary their noise output so that they may be adjusted for more appropriate situations.

From this non-biker's point of view, I've never been on a motorcycle, even though I loved biking.  That extreme noise output just drives me away.  Most of the time, when I've seen bikes, I've heard this loud, ugly, painful-to-be-near noise coming from them.  Even if I ignore the fact that those loud sounds must blot out some of the biker's senses and drain their energy, and take great stock into the idea that the awareness that they create leads to more safety, I'm left with the understanding that allowing motorcycles on the road comes at either the cost of safety or the cost of hearing whenever they're around.  I also understand that, even if I'm not on the road- but in my bedroom, trying to sleep, or walking on the sidewalk to get some lunch, or going to class, or at the city park trying to spend some time with friends.. that a single biker can and probably will cause that disgusting noise to blot out everything else in the area.

Normally, I support one's right to do whatever they want, so long as it doesn't negatively, unconsentually, and unusually effect others.  I'd say that these sounds cover all three catigories- negative, forced upon others, and unusual to non-bikers.  Therefore, I do not see one as having the right to do such a thing.

If biking comes at the cost of either peace or safety, then how could I not want to vote for a ban?

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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 2:11:23 PM   
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I worked in Thread Needle Street in London. The traffic always queues here and you have pedestrian crossings which motor cyclists seem to be totally unaware of as they filter to the front. Obviously pedestrians are allowed to cross at crossings when the traffic is stopped. There are so many accidents involving motor cyclists in London due to their lack of awareness so maybe natural selection is ok but a lemming never pulls you of a cliff with it.

Yes cyclists are a menace and them ringing their bell at me just irritates me further especially when I’ve seen them anyway.

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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 2:11:28 PM   
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Wow, this is the first time and probably the last time I agree with Charlie Sheen here.


So you’re telling me I have to give up biking, just coz I’ve got a huge dick?

Shit.  That’s not very nice

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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 2:14:46 PM   
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No, no.  It's not because they simply wake me.  It's because they're waking everyone here- there's over a thousand students in this complex, not even thinking of the neighboring ones- for a joy ride.  (I know it's a joy ride because they circled the complex a couple of times.)  At best, they're incredibly negligent.  At worst, they're trying to wake everyone up with their bike- which- frankly- seems most likely.  (Why else would someone circle an appartment complex at 2 AM with a noisy bike?)  So, yes- if someone's would willing do that for no reason other than their personal amusement, I would be glad to hear of their misfortune.


As mentioned here by many, there are inconsiderate idiots in all aspects of life.     
I personally have stock pipes on My scoot but when coming home late, I kill the engine and coast down My street and into My driveway so as not to disturb My neighbors.   I could only wish I had the same courtesy at 7 am on a Sunday morning when My neighbor decides to use his powered lawn mower.

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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 2:16:56 PM   
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I ride....quite a bit.  I live in Florida, so we have only two seasons..."T-shirts" and "leather jackets."   I ride to work almost every day, 25 miles each way.

I ride a street bike...a 2003 Honda Shadow ACE 750.  And I've ridden for years.  Paid my dues. The only Harley I ever rode I documented my "flight" from it elsewhere on the boards. ( http://www.collarchat.com/m_1303442/tm.htm )

As for "Loud Pipes Save Lives"  read http://www.virginiawind.com/byways/loud_pipes_save_lives.asp

Loud pipes are loud out the back end and really don't do squat for the idiot with the stereo up and the cellphone sticking in his ear as he eats his breakfast and drinks his coffee.

I DO believe in loud HORN.  That's what I've on my bike.  When I squeeze it off they "see" me.

Loud pipes don't save lives...Loud-ass horns do!

However, if you want loud pipes, then sure.  Just don't kid yourself that you are more visible.  And just as long as they are subject to the same laws as those idiots with those loud stereo systems that play music I don't really want to listen to...though I have to admit I've often thought about adding one to my ride and blowing them out with some Floyd or Thorogood.....One speaker, one track, and two ears.....







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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 2:17:06 PM   
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Overly big guns - small dick



Wow, this is the first time and probably the last time I agree with Charlie Sheen here.


So you’re telling me I have to give up biking, just coz I’ve got a huge dick?

Shit.  That’s not very nice


No worries, they were just fooling around, not taking everything into account.  Annoying others for one's own good and pleasure doesn't necessitate having a small penis; one could simply be sterile.

Not that small penis cracks are overly mature, though I do hope that people making them does get across a small bit of the annoyance that the inconsiderate nature of those with excessively loud bikes force on others.

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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 2:18:42 PM   
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I worked in Thread Needle Street in London. The traffic always queues here and you have pedestrian crossings which motor cyclists seem to be totally unaware of as they filter to the front. Obviously pedestrians are allowed to cross at crossings when the traffic is stopped. There are so many accidents involving motor cyclists in London due to their lack of awareness so maybe natural selection is ok but a lemming never pulls you of a cliff with it.

Yes cyclists are a menace and them ringing their bell at me just irritates me further especially when I’ve seen them anyway.


That doesn’t tally at all with my years of working in that area.
 
Most of the accidents I’ve seen, as a pedestrian and a biker, are people crossing at inappropriate places, without looking, often between queuing cars.
 
Yes, there are rogue bikers who will do what you describe, but the majority do not, for the simple reason it’s dozy riding, and also the penalties for doing that are now so extreme that most will gladly obey the rules, and rightly so.

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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 2:24:28 PM   
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No, no.  It's not because they simply wake me.  It's because they're waking everyone here- there's over a thousand students in this complex, not even thinking of the neighboring ones- for a joy ride.  (I know it's a joy ride because they circled the complex a couple of times.)  At best, they're incredibly negligent.  At worst, they're trying to wake everyone up with their bike- which- frankly- seems most likely.  (Why else would someone circle an appartment complex at 2 AM with a noisy bike?)  So, yes- if someone's would willing do that for no reason other than their personal amusement, I would be glad to hear of their misfortune.


As mentioned here by many, there are inconsiderate idiots in all aspects of life.     
I personally have stock pipes on My scoot but when coming home late, I kill the engine and coast down My street and into My driveway so as not to disturb My neighbors.   I could only wish I had the same courtesy at 7 am on a Sunday morning when My neighbor decides to use his powered lawn mower.


That's true.. there are annoying people all over, so those who are unnecessarily loud biking aren't the only dolts in this world.  For me, it's sort of like your neighbor got an unnecessarily loud add-on for his lawn mower and started doing laps around your house, despite not actually needing to cut any grass.. just for the fun of annoying you.

For your situation.. I wonder if mentioning it to your neighbor might help?  Might be a bit awkward to have to bring up, but perhaps meeting them when they're mowing one morning, perhaps towards the end, and asking them if they could schedule it for a later time would be the politest way of going about it.  (Least awkward, since they're doing it and the subject's already up.)

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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 2:25:42 PM   
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That doesn’t tally at all with my years of working in that area.
 
Most of the accidents I’ve seen, as a pedestrian and a biker, are people crossing at inappropriate places, without looking, often between queuing cars.
 
Yes, there are rogue bikers who will do what you describe, but the majority do not, for the simple reason it’s dozy riding, and also the penalties for doing that are now so extreme that most will gladly obey the rules, and rightly so.



Well from memory, and I’m going back quite a few years, they have these narrow crossings that you wouldn’t realise were there if you was a biker riding down the side of a queue of cars. You can’t say that bikers don’t filter to the front of a set of traffic lights because they do, would you have done that on your test? The couriers are the worst because they are always trying to get things places to meet deadlines. Obviously it’s my point of view and you aren’t going to agree with it, so we beg to differ on this subject.

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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 2:29:25 PM   
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I ride....quite a bit.  I live in Florida, so we have only two seasons..."T-shirts" and "leather jackets."   I ride to work almost every day, 25 miles each way.

I ride a street bike...a 2003 Honda Shadow ACE 750.  And I've ridden for years.  Paid my dues. The only Harley I ever rode I documented my "flight" from it elsewhere on the boards. ( http://www.collarchat.com/m_1303442/tm.htm )

As for "Loud Pipes Save Lives"  read http://www.virginiawind.com/byways/loud_pipes_save_lives.asp

Loud pipes are loud out the back end and really don't do squat for the idiot with the stereo up and the cellphone sticking in his ear as he eats his breakfast and drinks his coffee.

I DO believe in loud HORN.  That's what I've on my bike.  When I squeeze it off they "see" me.

Loud pipes don't save lives...Loud-ass horns do!

However, if you want loud pipes, then sure.  Just don't kid yourself that you are more visible.  And just as long as they are subject to the same laws as those idiots with those loud stereo systems that play music I don't really want to listen to...though I have to admit I've often thought about adding one to my ride and blowing them out with some Floyd or Thorogood.....One speaker, one track, and two ears.....



I agree with crush on this one.  loud pipes are an annoying part of a motorcycle. and a loud horn is most defanitly more safer.


but  when the neghibor kids wake me up a 2am with thier damn noise... I don't feel so bad when I start up in the morning at 5 am when they are just starting to sleep.  

<---- proud owner of a 02 dyna with a 192 db horn and thunder headers exaust

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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 2:34:11 PM   
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That doesn’t tally at all with my years of working in that area.
 
Most of the accidents I’ve seen, as a pedestrian and a biker, are people crossing at inappropriate places, without looking, often between queuing cars.
 
Yes, there are rogue bikers who will do what you describe, but the majority do not, for the simple reason it’s dozy riding, and also the penalties for doing that are now so extreme that most will gladly obey the rules, and rightly so.



Well from memory, and I’m going back quite a few years, they have these narrow crossings that you wouldn’t realise were there if you was a biker riding down the side of a queue of cars. You can’t say that bikers don’t filter to the front of a set of traffic lights because they do, would you have done that on your test? The couriers are the worst because they are always trying to get things places to meet deadlines. Obviously it’s my point of view and you aren’t going to agree with it, so we beg to differ on this subject.


Yes of course bikes filter, why shouldn’t they?
 
If people choose not to use crossings, and walk out across traffic, that’s their lookout.  If they don’t pay attention, they get squished.
 
And “going back a few years” doesn’t help since the rather Draconian regime started up only a few years ago.
 
Whatever.  You stick to your opinion, that’s fine.  It's all the same to me.
 
But if you decide to run out from outside a crossing and from between stationary traffic, then either open your eyes, or prepare for a long time recovering.

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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 2:34:30 PM   
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stef, I will see your bullshit call and raise you a fact.

His neck was wrapped around the truck's driveshaft. I didn't say he made the right move.

I don't doubt that he ended up under the truck, I do doubt that he "decided to drop the bike."

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BTW you’re wrong about “calling bullshit” on the loud pipes save lives thing; if you rode in a city, as I do, in London, you’d see how loud pipes save an average of 2-3 peds per day.

Stupid pedestrians/bicyclists that have to rely on the sound of oncoming traffic to alert them to not cross the street aren't worth saving.  That's a herd that could stand to be thinned out.

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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 2:36:04 PM   
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Jacked up pickup truck -small dick
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Overly big guns - small dick



Wow, this is the first time and probably the last time I agree with Charlie Sheen here.


So you’re telling me I have to give up biking, just coz I’ve got a huge dick?

Shit.  That’s not very nice


No worries, they were just fooling around, not taking everything into account.  Annoying others for one's own good and pleasure doesn't necessitate having a small penis; one could simply be sterile.

Not that small penis cracks are overly mature, though I do hope that people making them does get across a small bit of the annoyance that the inconsiderate nature of those with excessively loud bikes force on others.


I’m curious; when you speak to people, verbally, IRL, do you construct sentences in the same way you do when posting here?

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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 2:39:05 PM   
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I'm very fond of the following post because, unlike the "pipes save lives" bit, it acknowledges the collateral impact that bikers have on others.  That, even if pipes do save lives- which, as is mentioned, hasn't been shown to be true- it comes at the cost of not only the biker, but those around them, even if those people aren't on the road.

To a non-biker, there's the question, "Why not just ban bikes altogether if they're going to take away either peace or safety, if not both?"  Not that I have anything against bikers or bikes; it's quite alright and it's nice to see people can have more options, particularly since I know that so many enjoy biking.  Just.. taking it out on others who don't want to be involved.. it's that part that, as both an observer and one affected, I can't see as being justified.

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Loud pipes are a child yelling, "Look at me!"

I have been riding motorcycles since 1972. I have owned 84 of them and currently have 3. I've owned just about every type and brand. I have been a Motorcycle Safety Foundation Riding Instructor. There is no evidence in any safety study I have ever seen that loud pipes increase safety. The argument that they save lives is totally unsupported and anecdotal. In fact I believe they decrease safety by creating additional rider fatigue. (Yes, noise increases fatigue.) Additionally when a rider with loud pipes comes up fast and passes a car the noise of the bike will not actually be heard by the car's driver until the bike is quite close. (This is due to the way noise propagates around moving vehicles.) Then it will be perceived as very loud and very close. A natural reaction for a startled car driver is to turn and look toward the noise. In most cases a driver turning his/her head and upper body quickly will also tend to turn the wheel slightly in the same direction. So there is a very good chance the car will wind up swerving toward the bike. (By the way, this is the same reason you should not honk your car horn if you are approaching and passing a kid on a bicycle riding on the edge of the road. The kid is likely to be startled and swerve toward the noise as he looks for it.)

It's difficult to actually get statistical evidence on motorcycle safety since in general they are not separated from other types of vehicles in transportation safety studies. In the early 90's the University of North Carolina did a three year study that in fact did separate out motorcycle accidents. They found that there are 2 causes of accidents that account for 97% of all motorcycle accidents. They were about equal in numbers. The first was motorcycles operated by a rider who was under the influence of alcohol. In this type of accident it was generally a single vehicle accident, usually after dark, where the rider lost control of the motorcycle resulting in a wreck. The second type of accident was caused by a larger vehicle turning left across the path of the motorcycle. This could have been a left turn from an intersection or a left turn by opposite direction traffic and was normally in daylight in good weather. The best way for a rider to avoid this type of accident is to increase his/her visibility by running high beams (with the brightest headlight bulb that will fit the bike) in daytime riding. An argument could be made that loud pipes would help prevent this type of accident but no statistics support that. Additionally with modern cars being well sound insulated and with the volume levels of many car sound systems by the time loud pipes become a factor it will already be too late. Visibility is the key. This is proved out by the fact that this type accident almost never occurs at night when drivers naturally switch to looking for headlights instead of objects. A single headlight will still be quite visible in that situation and the left turn accident almost never happens after dark. So the best safety advice for any rider is, "Be seen, not heard."

A few other things about loud pipes. All motorcycles sold in over a decade in the US have come out of the dealership with quiet pipes that are mandated by the EPA. Any louder pipes are not street legal. All aftermarket pipes sold in the US that are louder than OEM pipes will be stamped with either, "For Racing Purposes Only" or, "Not Legal For Street Use" or something similar. Any pipe louder than OEM pipes is a violation of the law. The only thing keeping most "Loud Pipe" riders from getting strings of tickets and having their bikes impounded is simply that most law enforcement just can't be bothered to write tickets for noise.

Loud Pipes do have one certain affect though. They irritate local citizenry enough that bike bans are often enacted in many areas. Ask anyone at the American Motorcycle Association (AMA) headquarters, after fighting helmet laws they spend most of their legislative funds on fighting bike bans that are a direct result of riders with loud pipes. Every rider who thinks he is being cool riding around with loud pipes is actually making enemies for the riding community, including him/herself.

Unbaffled pipes are great for increasing top end horsepower which is fine if you are racing in excess of 100 mph all the time, but the lack of flow back pressure actually reduces low end torque which is a lot more useful for the average street rider. Unbaffled pipes also reduce fuel mileage, maybe not much of a factor for a bike, but with current fuel prices it is something to consider.

Finally my own anecdote - I had ridden my bike to a local department store. As I was leaving and began to mount and start my bike a little girl of about 3 years old was sitting in a shopping cart next to me while her mother unloaded the cart into their car. The girl saw me getting ready to start and put her fingers in her ears and squinted her face down. Why? Because experience around loud pipe bikes had already taught her that when my bike started it was going to hurt her ears. When I started up and my bike only made a soft purr she first looked surprised and then took her fingers out of her ears and gave me a big smile and a wave. Her mother had seen this go on and also smiled at me and then mouthed the words, "Thank You."

Quiet pipes can make friends for motorcycles.

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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 2:41:29 PM   
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Yes of course bikes filter, why shouldn’t they?

If people choose not to use crossings, and walk out across traffic, that’s their lookout.  If they don’t pay attention, they get squished.
 
And “going back a few years” doesn’t help since the rather Draconian regime started up only a few years ago.
 
Whatever.  You stick to your opinion, that’s fine.  It's all the same to me.
 
But if you decide to run out from outside a crossing and from between stationary traffic, then either open your eyes, or prepare for a long time recovering.


You are not supposed to no and the reasons as to why I’ve already mentioned. Funny you plead ignorance on this but I don’t see many bikers in the UK ride down the side of a police car when stopped at a traffic light to get to the front.

People cross at crossings some lazy people don’t. No one is perfect. You won’t ever hit me because I look. I hope you never hit someone that doesn’t because you will care about that I promise you.


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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 2:43:44 PM   
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BTW you’re wrong about “calling bullshit” on the loud pipes save lives thing; if you rode in a city, as I do, in London, you’d see how loud pipes save an average of 2-3 peds per day.

Stupid pedestrians/bicyclists that have to rely on the sound of oncoming traffic to alert them to not cross the street aren't worth saving.  That's a herd that could stand to be thinned out.

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Indeed so, sir.
 
And I’m doing my bit and then some.
 
No need to thank me.  The pleasure of a job well done is reward enough.

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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 2:45:16 PM   
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  That's true.. there are annoying people all over, so those who are unnecessarily loud biking aren't the only dolts in this world.  For me, it's sort of like your neighbor got an unnecessarily loud add-on for his lawn mower and started doing laps around your house, despite not actually needing to cut any grass.. just for the fun of annoying you.

For your situation.. I wonder if mentioning it to your neighbor might help?  Might be a bit awkward to have to bring up, but perhaps meeting them when they're mowing one morning, perhaps towards the end, and asking them if they could schedule it for a later time would be the politest way of going about it.  (Least awkward, since they're doing it and the subject's already up.)

FYI, I've tried talking to him since I'm up 6 am due to him.  He's a heavy duty alcoholic who is hanging his head in the toilet at that time with severe dry heaves. He lives across the street from Me and you can still hear him.    When I've tried to politely mention about waiting a little later in the day to mow the lawn I was greeted with a "go fuck yourself".   Any more words of wisdom?  

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RE: Loud Motorcycles - 10/20/2007 2:45:22 PM   
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I’m curious; when you speak to people, verbally, IRL, do you construct sentences in the same way you do when posting here?


I believe my stucture's probably a bit odd as I tend to deviate more regularly from idiomatic syntax.  It's my strong perference, though it can strain readers more.  I tend to curb it as appropriate to those I'm addressing.

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