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ORIGINAL: Owner59

One final thought.
We just gave reparations to Japanese-Americans,for their inturnment,during WWII.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

It appears that you have failed to actually read what I posted.  Slavery in the U.S. was not only for life it was for all eternity for your family.

What, you think it was special?

That it was magically worse than being a Roman slave? An Egyptian slave? A Viking slave? That your family was somehow better off to be slaves somewhere else in another time period?

There is no "worse" or "better" slavery. If one group of slave's descendents deserve back wages, they all do.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

AquaticSub:
I find it interesting that you can quote the difference but still fail to grasp it.
In the forms of slavery you quote the slave is either releases before death or at death.  Their children are not slaves and their children's children are not slaves.  They were not bred to make more slaves.  When in the history of the world has this happened before?
thompson

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

There are numerous people here who should line up for 'reperations' from the US federal government...........many of you got fucked in spelling class.

Ron

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

So apperantly slavery is ok if you release the slave at death??? Or kick him out to the streets when, when he is no longer productive enough to be worth feeding(can't take care of himself)?

It is worth noting that slaves were sometimes set free in America.  I think it was Washington (or perhaps Jefferson) who willed that all his slaves be set free upon his wife's death ( I understood she lived in fear the rest of her days) There was in fact a carrot system used to keep the slaves working, as well as the stick.  Many (most?) American slaves did get payment(not much).  It was quite pragmatic, you have to give them some hope, or they simply revolt or kill them selves.  Pre Revolutionary war there were free African communities in most Southern Cities.  Things became much worse for that class durring Jim Crow.  Nor were all blacks in America brought here as slaves.  Some(not very many) were even here working the slave trade on this end. 

My understanding (and I could be wrong) is that most societies castrated thier slaves(or at least a large proportion) to not end up with a huge population.  But in the Americas, they were trying to set up a re do of the old caste/manor system from England and Spain.  They wanted a huge population of 'Serfs' to do the field work.


Not only has every group suffered at the hands of another group, just about everyone has abused another group at some time.  No group is innoccent or pure in this matter.   What needs to be done is identify and try to fix the lingering problems, which is being done but poorly, here in America.  And put a stop to places where this is still actually happening, everywhere(sex slavery and actuall slaves in Sudan and region).

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ORIGINAL: Owner59
 The difference here is, that the suffering that blacks had to deal with ,was written into law.The government was the oppressor and enforced it`s laws at the point of death.
No other group in America ,had that kind burden to bear.

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ORIGINAL: boytoy4female

I don't believe we owe anybody reparations. I have never received inheritance. My ancestors were conquered by various countries. That is just the facts of life.

Do they really think they would be better off had their ancestors not been conquored, or bought/sold? If so, they are free to go back to the land of their ancestors. I hate to be a realist, but conquest by others used to be just a fact of life. And, in many parts of the world, it still is.

I have never owned a slave, conquered a weaker civilization or trampled anyones rights. Therefore, I am not paying a dime.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59
But you live in and enjoy the fruits of a nation that did enslave people.And then,after the supposed freedom,made any and every law possible,to keep them down and poor.

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: Owner59
 The difference here is, that the suffering that blacks had to deal with ,was written into law.The government was the oppressor and enforced it`s laws at the point of death.
No other group in America ,had that kind burden to bear.

You can't possibly believe that is true. Romans had laws regarding slavery - it was quite legal. Even the Bible states the rules and regulations for owning slaves. Germans had laws regarding slavery.

You might this interesting, has a lot of books on the subject of slavery and laws regarding it.

http://www.beloit.edu/~hist190/slavelaw.htm

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: Owner59
But you live in and enjoy the fruits of a nation that did enslave people.And then,after the supposed freedom,made any and every law possible,to keep them down and poor.

As do those living in Africa and I'm not talking about the whites. The tribes of Africa enslaved each other and made use of those slaves.

Every single one of us has the burden of our people having been abused. If we are going to spend money on slavery-related matter, I would rather see the money to go help those are still enslaved and help them get on their feet.

What is done is done. No amount of money can undo it. No amount of money can undo hate or racism. No amount of money can bring back the dead.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

We`re talking about America ,honey.

Not foreigners in ancient times.

America, from before the revolution ,to modern America,and the laws that harmed and hurt black people ,during all that time.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

We`re talking about America ,honey.

Not foreigners in ancient times.

America, from before the revolution ,to modern America,and the laws that harmed and hurt black people ,during all that time.

And the laws regarding Native Americans? They were made into slaves as well, don't they count?

And again, until you get permission from my dominant please respect the dynamic of my relationship. Stop the use of familiar terms with me. I am not your honey and have asked you once very politely.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

AquaticSub:
I find it interesting that you can quote the difference but still fail to grasp it.
In the forms of slavery you quote the slave is either releases before death or at death.  Their children are not slaves and their children's children are not slaves.  They were not bred to make more slaves.  When in the history of the world has this happened before?
thompson

You should do some research. The children of Roman slaves were slaves, not free. The children of Jewish slaves were slaves, not free. In fact, I do believe Romans also tried to breed to make more slaves, but they failed at achieving what happened in America. The American slave population was the only self-sustaining slave population in history, but that does not mean that the children in other slave populations were free. Only that the African slave population in America, for whatever reason, "thrived" enough to actually expand their numbers via procreation not continued enslavemeant of otherwise free people.