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RE: A local “Domme” has confused polyamory with pro... - 10/26/2007 11:28:14 AM   
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If she doesn't want it, can I have her cookie?



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It it's choccy chip, can we share?


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RE: A local “Domme” has confused polyamory with pro... - 10/26/2007 11:29:55 AM   
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RE: A local “Domme” has confused polyamory with pro... - 10/26/2007 7:46:27 PM   
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I guess I would ask what it is you think the community SHOULD do?


In the case of "he said she said" breakups, I try to remain friends with both.  Usually one or the other will decide I am not a keeper, and the situation sorts itself out.  Sometimes I get to keep both, after a rough period passes.  Where we are living, a fair number of people handle breakups the same way as I do. 

What has happened to Kirby is not a "he said she said" breakup.  The behavior of the other party followed a pattern of abuse that is standard in domestic violence.  This, according to the police who were summoned to the last physical incident. The pattern of emotional abuse moved on to physical acts, and then once Kirby was physically out of reach, moved on to menacing and other indirect actions and words. This is the pattern the provisions of the Domestic Violence Act was meant to address. 

Sometimes, I have been faced with an abuser in the community and had to figure out how to deal with them.  I could run, I could confront, I could ... what?  So, since I was a witness to the abuse, I chose to make reports to other people, as factual and non-judgemental as possible, and leave their decisions to them.  There were other witnesses.  There were multiple incidents, all similar.  The abuser was cast out of membership at a kink club.  Then, later, refused membership at another.  That person is still active and accepted in some places to this day.

The community owes people a safer place than the world around them: if they know a person is abusive and they take no action to protect the next victim they are partners in abuse.

I warn people about those very few I am convinced are abusive, or grossly unethical, or criminal. It takes a lot to convince me.  Way more than "he said, she said", of course.

In Kirby's case?  More than one incident, similar incidents with several other people, and her abuser has other victims here.


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RE: A local “Domme” has confused polyamory with pro... - 10/26/2007 8:31:10 PM   
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I draw the line there.

To say that If one knows of abuse and does nothing then they are abusers or as you quote

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if they know a person is abusive and they take no action to protect the next victim they are partners in abuse. 


What you claim is NOT what she said. You have given MUCH more information than she did. Regardless of the situation at hand NO ONE HERE besides you and one other person witnessed.

Now the question you state is different then the one that kirby brought up so let us answer your question. Abuse should it be defended? Abso-fucking-lutely! HOWEVER (and you will notice that is a BIG however) only to the degree it CAN BE!

Sadism is defined as Recieving pleasure from the act of inflicting pain. A Masochist gets the same pleasure out of recieving pain. But what happens when the Sadist like a LOT of pain and the masochist likes a little pain and the masochist ends up taking MORE than they bargained for? This is where I say "Your Mother cut the cord a LONG time ago and I'm not looking to take her place, You got yourself into this mess get yourself out." Leave, Go somewhere else, RIP off a Meaningless collar (If it came to what kirby said it came to the collar was meaningless from day one) CALL 9-1-1 and GET OUT.

That said THAT IS ALL ANYONE CAN DO! Giving someone a scarlet letter because you don't like how you were treated can be character assassination or worse Slander and no matter how the cookie crumbles kirby is an adult! And thus subject to learning from her own mistakes.

When you start throwing the word Abuse around you are walking a fine line. I have been accused of Abuse because I have strict rules that I expect followed and to the letter. My TPE is just that a TOTAL POWER EXCHANGE and there are many things in my relationship that are okay for me and not for her. I have my reasons and I don't need to explain them to anyone but the slave who accepts my collar. As has been pointed out from the TITLE of this Thread "A Local "Domme" has confused polyamory with promiscuity" says NOTHING of abuse it isn't until the second paragraph that abuse is even mentioned and it stops short of any explanation. It would seem that the screwing around was a bigger cut then the violence.

I could sit here and disect everything that either of you have said and make this a REALLY LONG pile of excrement but instead I say this. If people got to know the person that they are literally GIVING THEMSELVES to then this kind of shit would not happen as much.

Had kirby been my firend and I had WITNESSED the actions of the aleged abuser I would have said "Hey kirby I don't know about this person, you may want to be careful" After that kirby is (And Pardon the expression) Free, White, and Over 21. Making what she does and who she does it with ...

NONE OF MY GOD DAMNED BUSINESS!

It is NOT the community's responsibility for OUT people for thier indiscretions it is for the individual to grow the fuck up and stop blaming ANYONE but thier-own-selves for anything that happens to them.

There are Bad People out there. They look JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. The Big Bad Wolf is VERY real, and Grownups are supposed to have common sense. It doesn't always happen, but I won't fight my kids fights for them either they have to learn to deal with world as it is, Free of rose collored glasses and free lunch signs.

In Short. Get a Stiff Upper Lip and bring a LOT of tissues.

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RE: A local “Domme” has confused polyamory with pro... - 10/26/2007 8:44:27 PM   
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Polyamory should consist of honest communication and respect; not deceitfulness and abuse. Life is difficult without making it more chaotic.

The lifestyle states "Safe, Sane, and Consensual"; yet it fails to protect the wounded.

I found myself in an abusive situation where  the "Domme" played me under the guise of a polyamory relationship. Needless to say, I escaped with my sanity.

I am now in a true loving and respectable poly relationship.
I am sure that there are honest people because I actually found some.

In my experience, the community "buries its head." I have lost trust. Am I alone?



You ask a question based on what you believe the question is based on.

It may not be.

(It might).

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RE: A local “Domme” has confused polyamory with pro... - 10/26/2007 9:09:40 PM   
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It's not the "lifestyle's" job to protect any one. It's also not the communities job, to be involved in your relationships.
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The lifestyle states "Safe, Sane, and Consensual"; yet it fails to protect the wounded.

In my experience, the community "buries its head." I have lost trust. Am I alone?




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RE: A local “Domme” has confused polyamory with pro... - 10/26/2007 9:20:29 PM   
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it is my experience that the "community" is not about protecting the weak... but baby suck it up, if you dont like the heat get out of the kitchen.

PEOPLE CHEAT

deal with it, so this Domme was crap, there are bad people out there, move on, tell all your friends but dont expect the "community" to care... the best you can hope for is that next time you choose better

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RE: A local “Domme” has confused polyamory with pro... - 10/26/2007 10:23:17 PM   
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It seems people need others to bring down. If so, I'll try not giving a flip about anyone; I will be much happier. I've known someone that turned on me after 2 years, so I can't trust anyone. Thanks for everyone's kind advice.

END OF THREAD END OF THREAD  END OF THREAD

< Message edited by kirby104 -- 10/26/2007 10:24:49 PM >

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RE: A local “Domme” has confused polyamory with pro... - 10/27/2007 12:10:34 AM   
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I'll try not giving a flip about anyone; I will be much happier


I agree

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I've known someone that turned on me after 2 years, so I can't trust anyone.


Or maybe choose who you trust more carefully? Or maybe... life happens, and it sucks, but as they say you "keep on movin' on"?


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RE: A local “Domme” has confused polyamory with pro... - 10/27/2007 12:30:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PonyGroom

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IORIGINAL: laurell3
I guess I would ask what it is you think the community SHOULD do?


In the case of "he said she said" breakups, I try to remain friends with both.  Usually one or the other will decide I am not a keeper, and the situation sorts itself out.  Sometimes I get to keep both, after a rough period passes.  Where we are living, a fair number of people handle breakups the same way as I do. 

What has happened to Kirby is not a "he said she said" breakup.  The behavior of the other party followed a pattern of abuse that is standard in domestic violence.  This, according to the police who were summoned to the last physical incident. The pattern of emotional abuse moved on to physical acts, and then once Kirby was physically out of reach, moved on to menacing and other indirect actions and words. This is the pattern the provisions of the Domestic Violence Act was meant to address. 

Sometimes, I have been faced with an abuser in the community and had to figure out how to deal with them.  I could run, I could confront, I could ... what?  So, since I was a witness to the abuse, I chose to make reports to other people, as factual and non-judgemental as possible, and leave their decisions to them.  There were other witnesses.  There were multiple incidents, all similar.  The abuser was cast out of membership at a kink club.  Then, later, refused membership at another.  That person is still active and accepted in some places to this day.

The community owes people a safer place than the world around them: if they know a person is abusive and they take no action to protect the next victim they are partners in abuse.

I warn people about those very few I am convinced are abusive, or grossly unethical, or criminal. It takes a lot to convince me.  Way more than "he said, she said", of course.

In Kirby's case?  More than one incident, similar incidents with several other people, and her abuser has other victims here.




Let me ask you again, assuming this is true, which is not at all what the OP posted, what is it you would have me do to this alleged abuser?  Should I somehow attempt to track their net correspondence and seek out everyone they contact and tell them someone I don't know made a claim of abuse against this person?  Should I hunt them down in person, assuming I actually knew them of course, and tell them they are an abuser?  

As I said previously, many of the things people on this board do every day would be considered abuse for me, but is not for them.  In this world "abuse" is often an illusive concept.

You see my point.  It isn't that I am without sympathy for what the op felt was abuse, which again the OP really didn't state, it's that there really is not much I can do about the actual alleged abuser.  The fact that law enforcement was involved indicates the OP has done what they can, which is much more than I can do from my pc.

It's very easy to say "you should have chosen more wisely", however, this is the internet, what you believe someone is, isn't necessarily what they end up being.  Even meeting people in person in public multiple times is no guarantee that the situation won't end up badly.  People can and do lie about themselves and take advantage. It's happened to me here, it's happened to me in vanilla life as well.

I have personally been subjected to abuse in the past, I know it's hard to get over and can be debilitating.  Again OP you have my sincere sympathies for what you experienced.  However, I cannot wave my magic wand and punish your alleged abuser or take away the hurt that was caused to you.  I can only offer my sympathy and support, which I have and do.

Good luck to both of you,
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RE: A local “Domme” has confused polyamory with pro... - 10/27/2007 12:53:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PonyGroom

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IORIGINAL: laurell3
I guess I would ask what it is you think the community SHOULD do?


In the case of "he said she said" breakups, I try to remain friends with both.  Usually one or the other will decide I am not a keeper, and the situation sorts itself out.  Sometimes I get to keep both, after a rough period passes.  Where we are living, a fair number of people handle breakups the same way as I do. 

What has happened to Kirby is not a "he said she said" breakup.  The behavior of the other party followed a pattern of abuse that is standard in domestic violence.  This, according to the police who were summoned to the last physical incident. The pattern of emotional abuse moved on to physical acts, and then once Kirby was physically out of reach, moved on to menacing and other indirect actions and words. This is the pattern the provisions of the Domestic Violence Act was meant to address. 

Sometimes, I have been faced with an abuser in the community and had to figure out how to deal with them.  I could run, I could confront, I could ... what?  So, since I was a witness to the abuse, I chose to make reports to other people, as factual and non-judgemental as possible, and leave their decisions to them.  There were other witnesses.  There were multiple incidents, all similar.  The abuser was cast out of membership at a kink club.  Then, later, refused membership at another.  That person is still active and accepted in some places to this day.

The community owes people a safer place than the world around them: if they know a person is abusive and they take no action to protect the next victim they are partners in abuse.

I warn people about those very few I am convinced are abusive, or grossly unethical, or criminal. It takes a lot to convince me.  Way more than "he said, she said", of course.

In Kirby's case?  More than one incident, similar incidents with several other people, and her abuser has other victims here.




What community? This one here on CM or your local community? Who are you aiming this post at?

If, as it appears, you and the OP are aiming at the "community" of CM what do you expect them to do. What would you expect me, sitting in my living room in England, not knowing you or the OP or the person you are claiming is abusive. Am I suddenly going to have the knowledge to do something about a person you claim is abusive because you and the OP have said they are. No.  What did you and the OP expect would be the result of the posting. From what I can see the only expectation was that of a pity party.

If you, as you say, KNOW, there are other "victims" of this person here on CM, then you should do what you feel is right to warn them if you feel so strongly about the matter. Expecting a whole group of people that are strangers and not involved in any of this to become involved just because you say so is ridiculous.

As for your comment about knowing someone is abusive and doing nothing about it, that is the whole point, we do not know someone is abusive. Just because you say they are does not make it so. I could claim you are a purple one eyed goat. Just because I say it does not make it fact.

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