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laurell3 -> RE: The female shape... (10/24/2007 6:53:27 AM)

rubberpet on this forum, you can post wherever you desire, regardless of role.



batshalom -> RE: The female shape... (10/24/2007 6:59:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: laurell3

Saying I won't accept you as you are and you have to lose weight to be with me is alot different than saying, I'm concerned about your health, let's work out together or let me help you keep track of your workout schedule, diet, etc.  I don't need to lose weight, I could live much healthier, however.
I would not be with someone who's acceptance of me was conditional. 
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What about someone who accepted you as you were but said "You will feel better about yourself if you get in shape"? Is that acceptable? And if he rewarded you with praise for sticking to it, even before he could notice change in your body? (It worked for me, I never felt his acceptance was conditional AND he was right.)



BRNaughtyAngel -> RE: The female shape... (10/24/2007 7:09:51 AM)

About 2 1/2 years ago, long before I met my Master, I started Atkins and working out with a personal trainer.  I lost 45 pounds and looked/felt damned good..... fit and toned. 

I stopped working out a few months before I met my Master and slowly over time I have gained the weight back.  He wants me to lose weight and get toned again......... I want me to lose weight and get toned again.  He said, "you will do it!" 

It's funny though that some submissve women seem to be perfectly willing to be molded and shaped by their dominant in order to please him in some ways, but mention weight (molding and shaping their bodies) and some go off the deep end. 

Examples:
I'll be poly for him, even though I'm monogamous.
 
I'll be bi for him, even though I'm straight.
 
I'll have sex with other men, even though I don't really want to be shared.
 
But tell me to lose weight and he doesn't really want the REAL me!
 
Okey dokey then...... [8|]




sweetestnettles -> RE: The female shape... (10/24/2007 7:20:06 AM)

lol I wouldn't be poly, or bisexual (though I am) or have sex with other men if it went against my personal preferences or limits; but the point is, my Master wouldn't expect that from me to begin with. He cares about me and what I want, as much as I care about what He wants. I am submissive, not a slave.



gentlestarZR -> RE: The female shape... (10/24/2007 7:22:36 AM)

ah see this Master helps me with because i want to feel better in my clothes not alot just 10 lbs or 15 ... i struggle between size 14-18 and i feel better when i am 16 so he helps me get down to that weight because i want it .. he doesnt care how i look but i do!  and for my health because i have bad habbits with butter and for my health i want to better myself so i can be in his life as long as possible ......

but i'm not loosing it for him i'm loosing it for me and i asked him to help me ..



slaveelle -> RE: The female shape... (10/24/2007 7:34:57 AM)

Master and i were just talking about that the other day because a slave friend of ours is having difficulty with her weight and through doc's orders needs to shed some weight because of health issues.
Personally i am a size 6 and have been for most of my adult life so at the moment i dont think i have any need to diet but master said if i thought you were gaining weight and it was  becoming a health issue for you i would put you on a diet to which i would comply.
 
 On the other side for me, i dont want to gain any more weight, he loves my shape and i want to stay reasonably attractive for him while i can, so yes on instruction i would diet if He told me too....but in the back of my mind im always thinking "Hey youv'e had my skinny years, now you can have my fat ones too"...lol.



wisteriaV -> RE: The female shape... (10/24/2007 7:38:11 AM)

Before I became active in my lifechoice, I was married to an abusive dick..and I turned to food for comfort..I ballooned up to over 500 pounds. I hated myself and the relationship,  so I divorced the abusive dick ( 180 pounds of him..instant weight loss lol) and got Richard Simmons Sweatin to the Oldies and the deal a meal card things and worked my butt off to get down from the 500plus to 300 in five years..Then I met Master and his view was as long as it didnt interfer in our relationship he didnt care.  I am down another 85.5 pounds ( as of today)  in the almost 3 years Ive been with Master. I feel better about me, my pms and menapausal stuff is taken care of with chocholate ( which Master wisely keeps a stock of) but I do it in moderation not some binge like I once did. My dress size is a womans 20-22 but I am a 42D..my pants are a womans 24-26 and  compared to wearing tent dresses ( which I once did and abdul the tent maker misses me)  I think I look darn good..I was lucky that my skin shrank when I was dieting and exercising sensibly..It can be done..



submissfifi -> RE: The female shape... (10/24/2007 7:47:50 AM)

Thank you for all replying to me, it means so much to know I'm not alone with these thoughts. To be honest I'm a bit confused about the whole situation. At the moment Sir wants me to diet harder and exercise harder too, this is to do with a punishment I'm going through at the moment. Half of me wants to do it anyway, not been happy with my shape for a while, uk size 12 lower body, uk size 10 upper body. (So is this something he has noticed and is trying to help me improve and feel better?) I think he knows I'm not body confident, we have sort of talked about it, and Sir suggestes diets and gave me the exercises to do. But is he using my insecurities against me?


The other half thinks, Sir must be totally un attracted to me and find me very un sexy and even if I reach his target what will be the next stage? size 6, 4, 0!! (no offence to those that are) There isn't much support for me, which is making me feel like why bother! All I keep thinking of is a time, when I was a size 8 a vanilla boyfriend still calling me fat. Am I repeating the same pattern?

Sir does seem obsessed by my size, and is making me feel really crappy about myself. If I'm not good enough, or if he isn't the slightest bit attracted to me, why am I going through this.

Plain, old, ugly, fat and confused. Fi x



OsideGirl -> RE: The female shape... (10/24/2007 7:57:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: submissfifi
Sir suggestes diets and gave me the exercises to do.
This is actually the part that concerns me. People tend to think that if everyone who is overweight just ate less and excercised more....they'd lose weight. That's not always the case. There are a lot of health related reasons why people gain weight such as thyroid issues and insulin resistance. It's estimated that at least 25% of the US population is insulin resistant.  In cases like that the wrong diet will actually make the issue worse and damage your health. So, before you have an amateur recommending a diet program for you, go get a full blood panel and find out it you're having medical issues.



slaveelle -> RE: The female shape... (10/24/2007 7:58:49 AM)

fifi,
 
Have you considered that your sir is concerned about you and your health? He may be doing this out of concern and love for you.
Keep the faith fifi, from what i see your not plain or ugly, far from it in fact. If your comfortable in your size then tell him so and ask him why he wants you to diet. You might be surprised by his answers.
 



submissfifi -> RE: The female shape... (10/24/2007 8:07:30 AM)

Thanks for your concern Bobbi, I don't have any medical conditions that can make the dieting dangerous, unless liking chocolate is one. He is an ex sportsman and keeps fit and healthy so I trust him with it.

slaveelle- I've just emailed Sir this question. I await his reply.



brattysarahjane -> RE: The female shape... (10/24/2007 8:09:17 AM)

i had a friend that control what i ate, and i love.  sometimes i wish Master would do the same thing, but He is not into that type of control.  He does wish that i get fit, but loosing weight isn't priority, just being fit.

bratty sarah jane



Sabella -> RE: The female shape... (10/24/2007 8:13:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rubberpet

I hope it's OK for a male subby to post here, but I believe the female shape is such a wonderful sight.  Whether it's the softness of her skin, the curves of her hips or thighs, or the shine on her moist lips, a woman is perfect in all regards, no matter if they are a size 2 or size 22.  For as far back as I can remember, I was alwas attracted to the rubenesque type of lady.  There is just something so sexy and sensual about a woman with real curves and a shape, but that's just my opinion.  I believe someone should be accepted for who they are.  The only way I believe a woman should diet and lose weight is simply for health reasons, not because master simply wants a skinny barbie doll on his arm.  Ladies, please don't ever sacrifice your dignity to please a man, even if he is your master.  If he loves and cherishes you, he will accept you no matter what size you are.
That was beautifully written Rubberpet

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At the moment Sir wants me to diet harder and exercise harder too, this is to do with a punishment I'm going through at the moment.
This concerns me. It's setting up a negativity toward exercise & diet that can be a hard trap to get out of. In the future you may genuinely WANT to diet & exercise and you'll have this bad feeling because of the association as it was a punishment in the past. Not good.



BRNaughtyAngel -> RE: The female shape... (10/24/2007 8:14:29 AM)

I'd venture a guess that most women have body image issues of some sort..... I was looking for a Halloween costume last week and the first shop I went to was the local naughty store.  They had costumes made for the less fluffly ladies and only a few plus sizes.  Funny thing is, almost every woman working in the store is overweight or at least really curvy.

Anyway, this thin, attractive woman who looked about 30 was being shown some costumes by the sales lady, and the first thing out of her mouth was, "Oh no!  I couldn't wear that!  I don't have the beautiful curves you need for that.  My boyfriend would make fun of me." [:(]

But you know, I think men have body issues too, they just don't go on and on and on about it the way women do.
And you aren't likely to hear a group of guys discussing how to get rid of their round, flabby belly.  Nor are you gonna hear them ask each other...... "Hey Earl, do these camouflage pants make me look fat?" [8|]



chiaThePet -> RE: The female shape... (10/24/2007 8:57:57 AM)

The dynamics of specific relationships, will of course allow that which they allow,
the paths we either choose for ourselves, or surrender unto others willingly.

We all experience the shoving down our throats of the "perfect" woman or man.
Always fine tuned to unbelievable tightness and shape, thick dense shining hair,
and of course the semetrical face, perfect from any angle, blushed and airbrushed
to unattainable beauty. Then there is the rest of us, working hard everyday to look
and feel our best. Potions, lotions, slimmers, trimmers, everybody saying "do this",
everybody saying "do that". Take a pill, it'll grow, take a pill if you're slow, and
one and two and one and two. Eat this, no wait, don't eat that, no wait, eat more,
no wait, eat less, no wait. Anorexia, bulemia, obesity in extremia, fast food, no
food, hot food, cold food, cut the fat, eat the fat, step up, bend down, side to
side, and one and two and one and two and one...more...time.

We become captives of insecurity, force fed by others, and created of our own
design. Little lambs following the fix of the moment, and everywhere that Mary
went, the lamb was sure to go. Dance to the oldies with me, and we'll all shed
a tear and a pound together, sweating and forgetting, all for a low, low, price.

I for one, was born with genes, and they weren't Calvin Cline. When I hit middle
school, I shot up like a rocket, and the rest of me retreated into stick figure
obscurity. Hated myself for my skinny, long and lanky presentation to the world.
Why? Because skinny boys were somehow less than, inferior to, and the butt
of all those jokes laced with cruel intention. I tried eveything to gain weight, the
bane of my teenage existence, a failure at filling out, but even worse, a failure
to realize I had become a victim to the acceptable image of others. Gazing into
the mirror, chanting, "Mirror, mirror on the wall, oh GQ, where are you?"

Fast forward to the present, skinnier than a lot of men my age, and it's fabulous!
I've learned how to put my best foot forward, and my self esteem comes with
a hell of a lot more "kiss my assets". Perfect? By who's definition?

Of course we should strive to be our best and make all those glorious decisions
which will uplift us physically, emotionally, and mentally. Doing such for others
may serve it's purpose, doing it for ourselves gives us purpose. Sometimes, we
are just not in the mood to do anything, on purpose, no matter the chatter.

Will the "loving" care and concern of others change us for the better, or leave us
worse for wear? For ourselves first, then we can ponder the wishes of others.
In the meantime, keep the shadows of judgement from blocking out the sun.

chia* (the pet)



subsfaith -> RE: The female shape... (10/24/2007 9:05:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BRNaughtyAngel
Examples:
I'll be poly for him, even though I'm monogamous.
 
I'll be bi for him, even though I'm straight.
 
I'll have sex with other men, even though I don't really want to be shared.
 
But tell me to lose weight and he doesn't really want the REAL me!
 
Okey dokey then...... [8|]



Oh the irony of it all.

Funny as fu.....



onmykneesb4Him -> RE: The female shape... (10/24/2007 9:45:26 AM)

i'm quite a bit heavier than when Sir and i met 11 years ago. That's what 6 um's will do! But.....when we met i was far too skinny. He likes my curves much better now. i'm about 10 pounds overweight at the moment, but i'm also pregnant (yes, that makes 7, and yes, we are done after this).

i also am borderline diabetic. He has me on a very strict exercise and "diet" routine based on my health. i have to keep a journal of how much protein and complex carbs i get each day. And no sugar is allowed, at all, period. If i didn't do this i would never get enough of the right things to keep my blood sugar down- it's hard for me to eat while pregnant. Exercise is moderate and perfectly appropriate for a pregnant woman.

i am very happy to follow His direction in this area. i know He has only my best interests in mind. If He did something like this because He didn't like the way i looked, i would be heartbroken. i would do it, of course, but i would be a very unhappy girl, which could only be bad for both of us in the long run.



rubberpet -> RE: The female shape... (10/24/2007 10:07:12 AM)

My owner is a beautiful gothic goddess who happens to have luscious curves and a knockout figure.  She might not be a skinny barbie doll, but I'd be happy to be hogtied in the back of Her pink Corvette anyday[;)]  She is a rubenesque beauty herself and I tell Her nothing about Her appearance other than how beautiful She is and how I love the way She looks in all Her clothes.  In fact, I encourage Her to have another cookie sometimes...LOL  She knows if She puts on any weight that I will love Her just the same and will look at Her with the same hungry eyes that I look at Her with now[:)]  After all, She is my demon goddess and angel of my heart.



Mercnbeth -> RE: The female shape... (10/24/2007 10:12:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: submissfifi

I was just curious as to whether any of us sub/slaves are/have dieted and exercised under instruction for a Master/Sir.


not this slave...but then again, the only diets she has ever participated in were for medical reasons, not because of body image/proportion issues.  as for exercise regimens---never had any issue getting plenty of exercise through daily activites until the broken foot bones started to scream for attention!!!

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Are there any subs/slaves here that refuse to change their body shape to please a Master/Sir? Is your body shape a part of you that your not willing to change, for whatever reason known to yourself.


not this slave.  it is Master's to shape or not shape as He sees fit.

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Do any of us subs/slaves have a negative body image? (I know I'm asking a stupid question, we all have our hang ups. But is this known to your Master/Sir and do they use it against you?)

this slave doesn't process what she sees in the mirror with accuracy and she has learned to accept that and move on.  it isn't her body, it is Master's...His concerns/desires regarding her shape are the only ones relevant to this slave and He has expressed nothing but pleasure with regards to it.



slaverosebeauty -> RE: The female shape... (10/24/2007 10:26:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: submissfifi
Have any sub/slaves are/have dieted and exercised under instruction for a Master/Sir.


MJ has encouraged and does encourage me to work out, its as much for my own benefit as it is anything, He is VERY active [He runs marathons] so me being active is something that we can do together and it reduces stress.
 
Right now, MJ is trying to get me to eat, since i have lost over 10lbs in the last week due to pain meds, and looking at food is making me sick.  He has given me some advice and encouragement on what to eat, so I can get back up to a healthy weight and not actually have ot eat a large volume of food.

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Whether it was forced? or a mutual commitment? as in your Master/Sir told you to do it, or that Master/Sir knew it was something that you were thinking also, and just tried to encourage it.


It's not forced at the moment, even though I KNOW He will make it an 'order' sooner rather than later if I keep getting dizzzy spells and loosing weight.
 
As far as toning up goes, MJ is very supportive and offeres advice and gives me suggestions with keeping in mind that my asthma is still not completly under control.

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Are there any subs/slaves here that refuse to change their body shape to please a Master/Sir? Is your body shape a part of you that your not willing to change, for whatever reason known to yourself.


I'm curvy in all the right places.  MJ doesn't have any issues with my shape, He encourages me to tone up and to eat right, for my own health;He doesn't want an aneroxic slave nor a slave that is putting her health at risk by being over weight.

quote:


Do any of us subs/slaves have a negative body image? (I know I'm asking a stupid question, we all have our hang ups. But is this known to your Master/Sir and do they use it against you?)


I don't have a problem with my body; it took me a long time to get where I love it for all the little imprefections - streatch marks, scars, etc; its who I am and I can change how it looks if I want.  I'm happy with who I am on the outside and in the end, THAT is what matters.  MJ knows that.  MJ tells me that 'fi you dont' like soemthing, then change it.' He won't listen to complaining or whining, so I dont. He offers suggestions, support, advice and helps to keep me motivated.

When its nice in the house I am around here naked, I love my body; it just helps that MJ enjoys it too.  



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