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batshalom -> RE: The female shape... (10/24/2007 10:39:07 AM)
~smiling at beth~ Everything about you is pretty. I don't know about your body, of course, but your words feel sweet and calm and warm. Not very many people feel like that to me, especially people I don't know.

lusciouslips19 -> RE: The female shape... (10/24/2007 10:42:56 AM)
I am an expert at weight loss. I have done it soo many times. before I left my husband I was 215. once I started losing the wight and feeling sexual and my emotions again, I seperated from him. I knew he was part of the problem. Too often we use food to shove down our feelings and as a self soothing device. I was at 159 a year and a half ago as my thinnest. I am 5'7. Right now I am hovering around 175. I am a 12 on the top and an 8 on the bottom. so I have wonderful curves. Yes, I would like to get the weight back down but in comparison to before, i look dang good for 45 and better than i did 10 years ago. At 23 I would have been horrified I was 175. Its all relative. The most important thing is to be healthy. I had problems with my blood pressure and shortness of breath when I was larger. I feel better. But people come in all shapes and there I basic things that are not going to change like your structure and frame. But nothing is going to change unless you change the negative body image. For me it started with dressing better. I didnt weight til I lost weight to start dressing better. Dressing appropriately in well fitting clothes took 10 pounds off my appearance and gave the confidence needed to continue with my weight loss. I am tranformed from the person I was 4 years ago to the butterfly i have become[:)].

ownedgirlie -> RE: The female shape... (10/24/2007 10:49:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BRNaughtyAngel About 2 1/2 years ago, long before I met my Master, I started Atkins and working out with a personal trainer. I lost 45 pounds and looked/felt damned good..... fit and toned. I stopped working out a few months before I met my Master and slowly over time I have gained the weight back. He wants me to lose weight and get toned again......... I want me to lose weight and get toned again. He said, "you will do it!" It's funny though that some submissve women seem to be perfectly willing to be molded and shaped by their dominant in order to please him in some ways, but mention weight (molding and shaping their bodies) and some go off the deep end. Examples: I'll be poly for him, even though I'm monogamous. I'll be bi for him, even though I'm straight. I'll have sex with other men, even though I don't really want to be shared. But tell me to lose weight and he doesn't really want the REAL me! Okey dokey then...... [8\|] BRN that was awesome!! I agree completely. If I can not and will not be my absolute best for him, then he should not own me. As for myself, yes, he has instructed me to lose weight. He is diabetic and said he's going to do all he can to prevent me from going through what he goes through. He did a pretty good job with my mind and heart, and I'm happy to do what he wants me to do with my body, too - it is his to mold and shape, not mine. I do not place limitations on what he does with me. That said, I've been his slave well over 3 years now. If he was unattracted to me, he wouldn't have taken me as his. He is also attracted to my potential, however, and wants me to reach it. And I'm happy to! That said, I just took my measurements last night, and I've lost about 3-4 inches, depending on what was measured :) I have a way to go, but we are both excited about the progress. So yes, I am losing weight for my Master. But then anything I do for my Master is amazingly beneficial to me, too. Go figure :)

RosesHaveThorns -> RE: The female shape... (10/24/2007 2:02:05 PM)
I would not lose weight for a master, but weight for me isn't the issue. Diet and excerise is. I could see a master trying to encourage a partner into a more healthy life style. Which should speak for itself as a benefit. However, I can also see a jerk who is into BDSM try to make a Barbie out of a Buxom Beauty. So first off, I say that health reasons should be the primary factor in weight loss. And unless you are REALLY into control, I say tell any master who wants you to be skinny just to be skinny to bugger off. And even then, I'd be suspect of any man who did that to a woman, I've had bad experiences with it, and seen it happen to others. Being a healthy weight does not mean being really thin, it can mean being curvy or toned. Keep in mind the master's weight! I'd be more skeptical of a man packing a few pounds who didn't get out much trying to shape up his woman. On the other hand, motivation is a big part of weight loss, and healthy dieting. A master could work very well as a short term incentive provider. Or even as a work out buddy. Or just plain support. But, it is up to the sub/slave if she wants to lose weight and change her body.

mya75 -> RE: The female shape... (10/24/2007 2:10:11 PM)
Myself being a full figured submissive feels its all about the approach the Dom takes...if he is asking and you have expressed a willingness to change then I dont see anything wrong especially if he is leading by example and not using it as a way to humiliate you...weight is and always will be a touchy issue with many ....

batshalom -> RE: The female shape... (10/24/2007 2:18:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19 I am an expert at weight loss. I have done it soo many times. before I left my husband I was 215. once I started losing the wight and feeling sexual and my emotions again, Nice post, lips. ~smiling~

hejira92 -> RE: The female shape... (10/24/2007 2:30:29 PM)
Like LusciousLips, I was heavy during my marriage (got up to 210 after um #3). I lost a ton (about 35lbs) when I got separated- I got down to a size 10 (5'8"). My first Master had me start doing leg lifts- he said he needed more of an ass to hit. I kept up the leg exercises after he released me and in a year had lost an inch from my hips without losing any weight. Another issue that came up with weight loss was my poor breasts. At my largest, I had been a 36F. Yes, F - that's DDD to some. When I was a size 14, I had a reduction to a C. But when I got down to an 8, they were gone. And to add insult to injury, I lost part of one to a cancer scare. When I met Master, I was an 8 with a small B cup. He is a breast man. I expressed interest in restoring my breasts. He supported me- while totally saying it was up to me (and panting at the same time. lol). I got implants. I wanted C, He wanted D. The surgeon was a man- I am now a 34D.[:D] I started exercising recently, too, with His encouragment. So I am a size 6. I am smaller and in better shape than I ever have been in my life. So, I have exercised and modified my body for my Master. And I still have body image issues. I still think of myself as I did in HS- the chubby friend of the cute girl. Master is working on this with me.

ownedgirlie -> RE: The female shape... (10/24/2007 3:48:02 PM)
hejira, your post struck me a bit. First, I have seen your photo and you are amazingly beautiful so I hope some day you see that in yourself. I also was a DDD cup. I would jokingly ask for a breast reduction and Master, also being a breast man, said No. In fact, he said when I lose weight, don't lose the breasts. Ha. I told him I'll need a stake to keep me upright... :) I've lost 4 inches in the bust from my current weight loss, and also like you, I recently lost part of a breast to a cancer scare, last July. My doctor said the loss of breast tissue may appear much more pronounced as I continue to lose weight. At that time we will discuss restoration, but everyone agrees it would be premature to do so now, until I reach my goal weight. For now I confess it is difficult to see my abnormal breast, and I still have some hang ups about presenting it to him. Wonderful man that he is, hasn't batted an eye at it. He said "They look the same to me" and kissed me on the forehead. He also said to stop worrying about it until it's time to repair it, and then we'll talk. Just wanted to let you know I'm in a similar camp. Your ability to get into a 6 from being in the 200's is an inspiration to me. Thank you for your post.

AquaticSub -> RE: The female shape... (10/24/2007 3:51:57 PM)
~Fast Reply~ Would I lose weight just because he wanted me to because he found it sexier? No. If he wants a skinny woman, he can own one. Will I lose weight because we went to the doctor and the doctor says I should and he wants me to be healthy? Yes. Of course. Everyone's got body issues.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: The female shape... (10/24/2007 4:15:11 PM)
Fifi, once again it seems you've hit a bump in the road that you failed to discuss BEFORE making a commitment to this person. So either you had no idea what you were really committing to when this dude became your "sir" or the dude totally led you on to believe he was one type of person and is now revealing himself to be another. Either way, you can either keep making these posts every time he does something you aren't sure about, or you can start giong to the SOURCE of the problem (ie your relationship with HIM) and talking to HIM about it.) You consistently run to the boards every time you have an issue- this in itself isn't bad, except that you seem to constantly want approval and acceptance from others that your sir is somehow off kilter. That's not good. As to the topic at hand, yes, I've been modified in many ways by previous and current relationships, both physically and mentally. Frankly I intend to be the one BEGGING to be allowed to get a few surgeries on my body at some point to make them more acceptable in my eyes.

lusciouslips19 -> RE: The female shape... (10/24/2007 6:17:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: batshalom quote: ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19 I am an expert at weight loss. I have done it soo many times. before I left my husband I was 215. once I started losing the wight and feeling sexual and my emotions again, Nice post, lips. ~smiling~ God I love you! by the way, you got nice lips too!

lusciouslips19 -> RE: The female shape... (10/24/2007 6:27:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hejira92 Like LusciousLips, I was heavy during my marriage (got up to 210 after um #3). I lost a ton (about 35lbs) when I got separated- I got down to a size 10 (5'8"). My first Master had me start doing leg lifts- he said he needed more of an ass to hit. I kept up the leg exercises after he released me and in a year had lost an inch from my hips without losing any weight. Another issue that came up with weight loss was my poor breasts. At my largest, I had been a 36F. Yes, F - that's DDD to some. When I was a size 14, I had a reduction to a C. But when I got down to an 8, they were gone. And to add insult to injury, I lost part of one to a cancer scare. When I met Master, I was an 8 with a small B cup. He is a breast man. I expressed interest in restoring my breasts. He supported me- while totally saying it was up to me (and panting at the same time. lol). I got implants. I wanted C, He wanted D. The surgeon was a man- I am now a 34D.[:D] I started exercising recently, too, with His encouragment. So I am a size 6. I am smaller and in better shape than I ever have been in my life. So, I have exercised and modified my body for my Master. And I still have body image issues. I still think of myself as I did in HS- the chubby friend of the cute girl. Master is working on this with me. Well, with smaller breasts you were probably more porpotioned. I find it very diffficult. buying dresses its hard unless it is stretch. I cant wear button downs as to fit the chest, Its too loose in the waist. at 38DDD I am 12 or 14 on top and 8 on the bottom. i wear alot of knit and sperate pieces like skirts. I mostly wear skirts as my sub self. It is difficult to shop. I'm not complaining and lord knows, the men love it but it can be frustrating buying clothes. But really aside from this, the most important thing is you are well. hurrah!

TakenPet -> RE: The female shape... (10/24/2007 10:27:10 PM)
I have been working with my Master to diet and exercise, its not because he wanted it, he loves me for me. He did it because it was an issue for me and he felt that I needed some encouragement and guidance in that direction. Master has done this strictly in support of me and has never demanded that my body image change. I have a horrible body image, but Master has never used it against me. He has only used my self image to further my own desire to reach what is considered an attainable safe goal for me. Master does not force me to change my weight or the way I eat, he only supports and encourages me to become what I say that I want to become. I know that I have to love me for me, but its hard sometimes. Rubberpet why can't there be more of you in the world. What a beautiful perspective on the female form.

submissfifi -> RE: The female shape... (10/25/2007 2:59:46 AM)
Hi LuckyAlbatross, I hear what your saying and see your point completely. I have asked for some clarification, but due to a punishment I only have permission to contact Sir via email. I have emailed Sir about this and I'm waiting to hear back. I do always talk to Sir, I just don't neccessarily always get a reply. So I turn to these forums for some advice, opinions, and views. (when contact is limited due to a punishment) Fi [8D]A big thank you to all of you that replied to my post, as always your response really helps.[sm=smile.gif]

lusciouslips19 -> RE: The female shape... (10/25/2007 4:39:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: submissfifi Hi LuckyAlbatross, I hear what your saying and see your point completely. I have asked for some clarification, but due to a punishment I only have permission to contact Sir via email. I have emailed Sir about this and I'm waiting to hear back. I do always talk to Sir, I just don't neccessarily always get a reply. So I turn to these forums for some advice, opinions, and views. (when contact is limited due to a punishment) Fi quote: I personally would'nt want a master that punished me by withholding his time and affection. Seems he doesnt appreciate the gem that you are.

lusciouslips19 -> RE: The female shape... (10/25/2007 10:39:34 AM)
What I said above somehow came up as a quote I want to reemphasize..... if your Master is punishing by withholding time and affection, I dont think that I would want a Master like that. Love the actor, dislike the act. You are a beautiful jewel and should be treated as such.

Lordandmaster -> RE: The female shape... (10/25/2007 11:00:25 AM)
I had a Hungarian friend whose view of all this matches my own: "I sink a vooman should LOOK like a vooman."

Honsoku -> RE: The female shape... (10/25/2007 11:27:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BRNaughtyAngel About 2 1/2 years ago, long before I met my Master, I started Atkins and working out with a personal trainer. I lost 45 pounds and looked/felt damned good..... fit and toned. I stopped working out a few months before I met my Master and slowly over time I have gained the weight back. He wants me to lose weight and get toned again......... I want me to lose weight and get toned again. He said, "you will do it!" It's funny though that some submissve women seem to be perfectly willing to be molded and shaped by their dominant in order to please him in some ways, but mention weight (molding and shaping their bodies) and some go off the deep end. Examples: I'll be poly for him, even though I'm monogamous. I'll be bi for him, even though I'm straight. I'll have sex with other men, even though I don't really want to be shared. But tell me to lose weight and he doesn't really want the REAL me! Okey dokey then...... [8\|] I do find it interesting (though not surprising) how sensitive people get about the issue. Weight ranks up there with race and sexual orientation for topics that are prone to knee jerk responses. Society has done such a job browbeating people over the subject that those who have withstood it are incredibly defensive about it. This leads to a psychological investment in not changing, because to do so would invalidate all that defensive effort. We don't get mad at people asking someone to improve their mind, but if they ask for someone to improve their body they are not accepting of the real you! We don't get mad at someone refusing someone because they are stupid, lack a sense of humor, or are vanilla but if it is because we think they are too heavy, then bring out the pitchforks. Which of those is someone probably most able to change? Let's be honest, when it comes to body types most people have an ideal for what they consider attractive. This is no more in their control than whether or not they are gay, straight, bi, like redheads, etc. Unless you get lucky and find someone that you see as absolutely perfect, there will always be a desire to improve the other person. Does that mean that they don't like who you are? No, it just means that they think that they can make the situation even better. I may like strawberries, but I like chocolate covered ones even more. Is it scummy to get involved with someone, then say if you don't lose x amount of weight, (assuming their weight hasn't changed) I'm leaving you? Absolutely it is scummy, but it happens a lot of the time because people are so sensitive about the issue. People only feel safe bringing it up when they have enough leverage in the relationship that raising the issue won't be an instant deal breaker. People don't pick long term partners based solely on who they are right now, but also on the potential of whom they could become. Weight (within certain limits) is highly adjustable for most people, thusly it is not who you are. Only that which you can not change is truly who you are. That which you can change is only what you are right now. quote: ORIGINAL: BRNaughtyAngel But you know, I think men have body issues too, they just don't go on and on and on about it the way women do. Damn skippy we do, especially among the younger generation. I once overheard some girl ask "why do the short ones have such great bodies?" it's because we are compensating for being short, dammit.

missturbation -> RE: The female shape... (10/25/2007 12:41:18 PM)
I was just curious as to whether any of us sub/slaves are/have dieted and exercised under instruction for a Master/Sir. i personally have not dieted or excercised under instruction. i have however had help / instruction with an eating disorder. I have a phobia of eating in public places in front of people i don't know. Sir has helped me with this probably more than He even realises. We went to an indian restaurant after a wedding a few months back, it was the first meal we ever went out for. He was already aware of my phobia and could see my obvious discomfort. I was wriggling in my chair, eyes flitting round the room to make sure we weren't being watched etc etc. He gave me a poppadom and a small plate and asked me to make him a picture with it. It really helped, took my mind off being watched [:D] I guess i'm saying this because diet control / excercise etc isn't always a bad thing. It can be for more than to control weight / fitness. or a mutual commitment? It's a mutual commitment. I want to shine when Sir takes me for a meal or has company round for food, not shiver in fear. Are there any subs/slaves here that refuse to change their body shape to please a Master/Sir? I wouldn't refuse by any means but i think i have bigger issues with food than getting fat from it. We concentrate on that. Do any of us subs/slaves have a negative body image? Most definately. I am only comfy with one part of my body and that is my eyes.

hejira92 -> RE: The female shape... (10/25/2007 12:50:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie hejira, your post struck me a bit. First, I have seen your photo and you are amazingly beautiful so I hope some day you see that in yourself. I also was a DDD cup. I would jokingly ask for a breast reduction and Master, also being a breast man, said No. In fact, he said when I lose weight, don't lose the breasts. Ha. I told him I'll need a stake to keep me upright... :) I've lost 4 inches in the bust from my current weight loss, and also like you, I recently lost part of a breast to a cancer scare, last July. My doctor said the loss of breast tissue may appear much more pronounced as I continue to lose weight. At that time we will discuss restoration, but everyone agrees it would be premature to do so now, until I reach my goal weight. For now I confess it is difficult to see my abnormal breast, and I still have some hang ups about presenting it to him. Wonderful man that he is, hasn't batted an eye at it. He said "They look the same to me" and kissed me on the forehead. He also said to stop worrying about it until it's time to repair it, and then we'll talk. Just wanted to let you know I'm in a similar camp. Your ability to get into a 6 from being in the 200's is an inspiration to me. Thank you for your post. Thank you so much, og. Yes, the huge, ice cream scoop of missing tissue on the side of my breast was disconcerting to me, to say the least. Master, like yours, wasn't thrown by it. Nor by any of the other scars, etc that life has left on my body. I'm glad I did the restoration-I think if I had never done the reduction/lift they might be smaller now with the weight loss, but they'd fall to my knees. lol. Part of my insecurity about my looks is Master's history. In His "Rock Star" days, He dated strippers, Playmates, models and even one I think had been in porn. I am not, nor have ever been in that league. I have, of course, shared this with Him. He asks me, "Who have I chosen as Mine?" and says "But you have my heart- forever." Then He assures me that I may not be perfect, but I am perfect for Him. Gotta love a man who knows when to be tough and when to be tender. [;)]

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