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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/31/2007 9:42:23 AM   
EPGAH


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About the "enemy human only in FORM, not function", please realize that you and SimplyMichael are condemning me for being "of the same cloth as Al Qaeda", without realizing what you're admitting: Their whole society is built on hatred...Americans complain loudly when OUR religion is forced on them, but wouldn't it be worse to have an ENEMY religion forced on us? Moreover, what do you consider it when a pregnant woman calls out to some Marines for help, then detonates herself...A Do-It-Yourself Abortion?
And they even have TV shows with kids as young as 2 saying how Jews and Americans are pigs...A great reality show, we could repackage it here in America, and call it "Iraq's Next Top Terrorist"!
As to the "We can't tell who's 'good' or 'bad'", part, please remember, America has asked them to turn over the terrorists, but they refuse, either because they support them tacitly or overtly, or because they're (rightly) afraid of retribution. Put another way, they're more afraid of their fellow Iraquis than they are of America's military...Either the terrorists are too strong, or we've been acting too weak?
I don't think it's ever been decided yet if the terrorists are criminals or enemy combatants, but do you seriously think that they'll turn up in court for a "wrongful death" or murder rap pressed by Americans?

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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/31/2007 11:40:56 AM   
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And they even have TV shows with kids as young as 2 saying how Jews and Americans are pigs...


..oh really.......link please, or are you just making this up? You know, because 2 year olds are so articulate.......

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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/31/2007 11:57:14 AM   
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http://jbuff.com/c081403.htm

Oops, I guess you're right, it's a THREE-year-old girl...Two-year-olds aren't old enough yet to be taught to hate?

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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/31/2007 12:09:37 PM   
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Sure, here ya go! Enjoy!
http://jbuff.com/c081403.htm

Oops, I guess you're right, it's a THREE-year-old girl...Two-year-olds aren't old enough yet to be taught to hate?


oh right....a pro-israeli site. Given that if your purported video exists it must have a web presence, how about a direct link? Or maybe a reference to it on a non-israeli site? The article you link to is your basic pro-israeli anti-arab propaganda.

Oh, and the site you link to doesn't mention anything about Americans being referred to in the alleged video. Are you familiar with the word 'hyperbole'?

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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/31/2007 12:26:02 PM   
EPGAH


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Status: offline 		Well, try this one about a grownup making the same claims: http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21077370-1702,00.html
Given the AU extension, I believe it's somewhere in Australia
Or just Google it: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=3+year+old+%22jews+are+pigs%22&btnG=Search
Lots of links there, I just picked the one that actually mentioned the video...YouTube has banned it as hate-speech (Imagine that!), but there are plenty of sites that mention the duality of Islam (The Koran of Mecca, the loving, accepting cult, versus the Koran of Medina, the violent one advocating world domination and actually encourages "the faithful" to lie to "infidels"--a complete mindfuck if ever there was one, since knowing this, how can you trust any Islamic entities...and until our police and/or soldiers have developed telepathic abilities and given permission to USE them, once again, how will you know who's telling truth or lying? Given that their "religion" TELLS them to lie!)
Of course America supports Israel, it's nice to have a decoy--I mean ally--in a hostile region...And since America has outsourced some of our intelligence software to Israel, we have "vested interests" in protecting them (It's as rude to consider that blackmail as to mention outsourcing is bad...) But remember, Israel DID give the Palestinian terrorists the West Bank, and instead of being content with a nice land-concession like that, they have announced plans to "push for more"...More what? More land? More terror? More needless bloodshed? Please look up "Munich Lesson" and see that:
#1.) Appeasement doesn't work, it makes you look weak, and whets your enemy's appetite for more "concessions"
#2.) Those who do not remember history (Such as the aforementioned "Munich Lesson", or the Islamic cult conquering all the way west to Spain, and even northern Africa...or the Barbary Pirates) are doomed to repeat it!

Why are we even arguing about the "morals" of a cult that encourages people to kill others--and THEMSELVES--and spread this "forced enlightenment" worldwide? It sounds like an 80's movie plot, but it's REAL!

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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/31/2007 12:48:26 PM   
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Well, try this one about a grownup making the same claims: http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21077370-1702,00.html
Given the AU extension, I believe it's somewhere in Australia
Or just Google it: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=3+year+old+%22jews+are+pigs%22&btnG=Search


...the first link is nothing to do with the child you mentioned in the original post i caled you on (you know, the one where you said they mentioned Americans, but didn't)......as for the google list, this quote from one high on the list "Condoleezza Rice, the U.S. national security adviser, described Mahathir's comments as "hateful, they are outrageous."
But she then added, "I don't think they are emblematic of the Muslim world."
........no-one doubts that there are Islamic extremists out there, who do use the language of hate....but then so do you on a regular basis. You're no better than them and, just like them, you exaggerate and occasionally lie in an attempt to back up your bigotry.

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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/31/2007 12:49:09 PM   
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Remember, we're fighting an enemy that is human only in FORM, not function, gladly teaching their children to hate as young as two...


You seem to be doing that quite well yourself - at the squirmy grainfed tender age of, what is it now, twelve?

Who is he teaching to hate?

You deny that children in the ME and Africa are taught to kill and maim mostly by example but also by the influence of their leaders and fathers/imams/grandfathers?  Why ignore his point to insult him?



The last time I was in the US there was plenty of TV shows and computer games teaching kids its OK to kill.

So vid games and tv shows (that not all parents allowed to be viewed) are seen the same as showing a young child to blow up actual people?  Or having them watch you do it? 

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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/31/2007 12:53:03 PM   
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If Israel truly "won", then why are they still fighting?


I have finally figured out how to have fun in this thread with you Pink.  So, Israel didn't win a victory in '48, '56, '67, or '73 and their various invasions in Lebanon so say a span of nearly 60 years they haven't "won" yet eh?  So this "victory" we are looking for in Iraq, any idea how long that is going to take?

Oh, good!  If you're having fun, does that mean you'll be less hateful?

I define victory as not having to fight the person over and over and over and over.  Yes, they keep winning, but if they have to keep fighting the same people, how much of a victory is that?  Ever read Ender's Game?

You sound like a whining child stuck in a car, "Moooooommmmm, when will we be there???" 

Us adults will let you know, Michael.

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  Bah, they were too nice to them 40 years ago.


Ah and another ugly quote you will claim was "taken out of context" although since the same thread appears over and over in your posts.  So, what is your final solution to the arab problem?

How is what I said ugly?  Obviously they were too nice if they have to still fight them. 
And it's not an "arab" problem.  That's a racist statement if I ever heard one.

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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/31/2007 12:58:01 PM   
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Remember, we're fighting an enemy that is human only in FORM, not function, gladly teaching their children to hate as young as two...


You seem to be doing that quite well yourself - at the squirmy grainfed tender age of, what is it now, twelve?

Who is he teaching to hate?

You deny that children in the ME and Africa are taught to kill and maim mostly by example but also by the influence of their leaders and fathers/imams/grandfathers?  Why ignore his point to insult him?



Pink, when Egpah uses lines like this "we're fighting an enemy that is human only in FORM, not function", it is hard not to see him as a hater. His invective is so extreme it is hard to take what he has to say seriously....hard or just too frightening. He represents, to me, the exact equivilant of islamic exteremism........read the language of his other posts. You and i are able to debate these issues without a) resorting to insults and b) attempting to describe all people from the third world as sub-human. Egpah is unable to refrain from either and so gets no respect from me. In essence he is a wannabe terrorist........as this quote confirms....."after all, we can't tell who is "good" or "bad" Islamists, taking them all out would be faster".


He is expressing his views... ones born of frustration.  I see true hatred as what happens in Africa when an Army ambushes a town, kills all the adults (after raping and maiming the women) and then steals their sons and forces them to kill.  THAT'S hate.  He's expressing a viewpoint.  If he views those who behead our people on television as less than human, I'd say he's expressing a viewpoint, one that sees humans as only those acting in civilized humane ways.  If you act like an animal, some people will view you as such. 

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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/31/2007 1:00:41 PM   
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Philosophy,

She is the same as Egpah you just don't see it.  She has claimed might makes right any number of times

Once, then I clarified for you.  And I expressed it as the way the world works, not the way I believe it should.  You once again are trying to smear me and misrepresent what I have said. 
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and uses that as justification over and over either directly or indirectly.

Justification for what?
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She has said Israel hasn't done enough to the arabs. 

No, I said they obviously haven't defeated them.  Pay attention.  Your reading comprehension is terrible.
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She puts a prettier dress on the pig but they are both of the same cloth as Al Qaeda.

Now you equate me to terrorists?

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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/31/2007 1:01:17 PM   
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If he views those who behead our people on television as less than human, I'd say he's expressing a viewpoint, one that sees humans as only those acting in civilized humane ways.  If you act like an animal, some people will view you as such. 



..and yet, the remedies that Egpah suggest are just that......he has explicitly stated on more than one occasion that he'd prefer we treated the inhabitants of third world countries as animals. He may not have shot someone from those places yet, but he does advocate it.
Both sides of this debate have their rabid idiots.......i freely admit this. Can you not do the same?

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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/31/2007 1:02:29 PM   
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And they even have TV shows with kids as young as 2 saying how Jews and Americans are pigs...


..oh really.......link please, or are you just making this up? You know, because 2 year olds are so articulate.......

Mine is.  She could certainly say such awful things if taught. 

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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/31/2007 1:04:26 PM   
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If he views those who behead our people on television as less than human, I'd say he's expressing a viewpoint, one that sees humans as only those acting in civilized humane ways.  If you act like an animal, some people will view you as such. 



..and yet, the remedies that Egpah suggest are just that......he has explicitly stated on more than one occasion that he'd prefer we treated the inhabitants of third world countries as animals. He may not have shot someone from those places yet, but he does advocate it.
Both sides of this debate have their rabid idiots.......i freely admit this. Can you not do the same?

I know we have ours, and I battle with them as often as do with liberals.  I tend to fight the social conservatives... and those that are so incensed about immigration that they want all Americans to be subject to random searches and checkpoints. 

Where has he said all inhabitants of third world countries are animals?

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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/31/2007 1:07:20 PM   
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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/31/2007 1:11:48 PM   
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Read that, about the slaughter of farmers by Iraqui terrorists--not Americans! And the subsequent booby-trapping of the corpses of the people and animals they kill, THEN tell me that our enemies are not either morally bankrupt or outright sociopathic!
I'm sure there are moderate Iraquis who want to kick out the terrorists as much as we do, but are afraid to come forward, because of possible reprisals from the sociopaths...

As to third-world countries, they have every opportunity to improve their lot, they accept TRILLIONS in aid, yet they'd rather attack each other--and us--than take advantage of opportunities to improve their lot in life--but don't you DARE shut off the Gravy Train to them--that's racist!
If you can't ACT like a human (i.e., with some kind of moral/social conscience), don't expect to be TREATED as one...You can't even spell my nick correctly, so should I treat you as dyslexic or simply retarded? E P G A H
Murderers and thieves are animals...But we are prohibited--in our country--from treating them as such!
BTW, isn't the belief that one's "need" overrides the law the definition of sociopathy? And yet, how many criminals and/or illegal aliens OPENLY declare their "need" as the reason for acting like animals?
How many illegals have you met? How many of YOUR friends have been gunned down by the foreign scum who believe invading America and killing our people are their "right"...Once that number equals or exceeds 5, THEN you can take the moral high-hat with me...Not before!

Why is it always "America=Bad; Enemy Country=Good"? Even from our fellow Americans, let alone the other countries?

P.S., this is in response to philosophy, not pinkme2
Keep up the good work, pinkme2!

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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/31/2007 1:33:48 PM   
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The Sunni are killing off or driving away all the Shia in their towns.

The Shia are killing off or driving away all the Sunni in their towns.

The US Troops are just bonus points to get your scope all dialed in, in the grand scheme of Iraq.


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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/31/2007 1:38:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		If they're killing Americans, I think that's almost a textbook example of "enemy"
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/enemy




2.
an armed foe; an opposing military force: The army attacked the enemy at dawn.



3.
a hostile nation or state.



4.
a citizen of such a state.
Take your pick as to which applies here...

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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/31/2007 1:44:58 PM   
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2. an armed foe; an opposing military force: The army attacked the enemy at dawn.


The Shia killing Sunni and Sunni Killing Shia aren't military forces.

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a hostile nation or state.


Are you suggesting the Puppet Government the US installed is hostile to the US?

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a citizen of such a state.


That implies that the Puppet Government the US installed is hostile to the US. They *may be*, but they're going to pretend otherwise, or they'll be replaced, JUST LIKE THE GUYS WHO ACTUALLY GOT ELECTED.

Now, Certainly SOME Iraqis are enemies of OTHER IRAQIS, but you know what? If the US TROOPS weren't there, THEY WOULDN'T BE DYING.

I wonder why Bush Supporters want the troops to die?

Anyone?

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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/31/2007 1:53:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, right now, as "others" have commented, America is kind of "committed" to this course: If we leave, it will remove any vestigial shreds of respect other countries have for our waning military strength...And of course, the terrorists will take it as a big win, and the history-books will show it a a big loss: America "defeated" by an enemy about 1/20 our size!
That said, we are NOT using everything in our arsenal, for fear of utterly wiping out enemy and neutral alike. Moreover, we are rebuilding--at GREAT expense--WHILE we are fighting (destroying)! And we GAVE back the oilfields, so there is no more chance of using them to pay off the war-debt Iraq owes us for improving their infrastructure--or sometimes just creating it wholesale--Or is this going to be another one in America's "Defaulted Debtors" column...Like say, Argentina?

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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/31/2007 1:58:57 PM   
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Well, right now, as "others" have commented, America is kind of "committed" to this course:


Why?

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If we leave, it will remove any vestigial shreds of respect other countries have for our waning military strength.


Get over yourself. People think you're a bunch of Lying Religious Fundamentalists, who just can't wait to expand their empire by tossing nukes at Iran.

I'm not sure what more damage you think can be done. It's pretty much over.

Oh, and WHAT MILITARY STRENGTH??? In case you missed the news, the US Army is SCARED OF BLACKWATER MERCENARIES.

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..And of course, the terrorists will take it as a big win, and the history-books will show it a a big loss: America "defeated" by an enemy about 1/20 our size!


JUST LIKE VIET-NAM. Because you were fucking IDIOTS to fall for Bush's Criminal Fraud, you're stuck in a QUAGMIRE, and now you're just too damn proud to admit you fucked up.

And your false-pride is killing 3 US Troops each and every day?

What did those 3 guys EVER DO TO YOU, that you'd rather they die than admit you fell for the Con?



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