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two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/1/2005 6:35:03 PM

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what's your take about drugs being invovled in the scene?

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RE: two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/1/2005 6:36:30 PM

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Drugs are inappropriate in *any* situation, for as long as they remain illegal.

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RE: two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/1/2005 6:43:49 PM

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Even if the drugs were legal, it could cause some serious problems. They make people think that they can be super human, and they aren't. After the drugs wear off, the damage that may have been done can be permanent.

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RE: two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/1/2005 6:45:36 PM

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On a personal note, I agree...however, my personal opinion isn't important. What's important is that drug use is illegal and you can go to jail for it. Any person who purposely engages in illegal behavior is an idiot in my opinion. I work as a jailer, and let me tell you, I would NEVER consciously do something that would get me sent there...its a not a fun place to be.

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RE: two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/1/2005 6:46:11 PM

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Drugs are inappropriate in *any* situation, for as long as they remain illegal.

Thank you.

glassdoll, I am sure you are going to get a few responses from people who enjoy incorporating drugs into their scenes. They will claim that it heightens sensations and lowers inhibitions. However, that still doesn't make it right. This scene is the last place drugs should be involved, and as tethered kitty pointed out...they ARE illegal.

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RE: two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/1/2005 6:46:13 PM

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I'm anti drugs in all cases unless its legal and or prescribed. Even then there are some prescription drugs which dont mix well in any areas where responcibility and or alertness.awareness are necessary. Alchole ... Forget it untill after and all is well.

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RE: two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/1/2005 6:46:51 PM

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Drugs alter perception.
Altered perception can lead to either extreme force used by the Dom or subdued feeling by the submissive.
Either/both can cause extreme physical damage.

Also... why dilute the mental experiance?

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RE: two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/1/2005 6:48:19 PM

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I think the same with drugs as I do with alcohol. I believe we're adults and should be able to put substances in our bodies if we want and if we want to be in scenes with people, we should use adult judgement in doing so.

It's a personal choice, if someone does or doesn't want to play with someone because they have ANY altering substance in their body- alcohol, a drug, nicotine, endorphins, caffeine, etc, that's their choice. We all take responsibility for the risks we accept, that's why we value consent at such a high premium.

So for me, it's a person by person, event by event call.

Specifically speaking as someone who ENJOYS knock out/drugged play occasionally, obviously I'm ok with being played with if I'm drugged.

Oh- and I think the idea that cigarettes and alcohol is legal and many other basic drus are not is ridiculous. Either we believe adults can choose for themselves what they want in their own bodies or we don't.

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RE: two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/1/2005 6:48:30 PM

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I won't allow it where I am involved and I take a dim view of those who do. Not negotiable.

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RE: two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/1/2005 6:52:16 PM

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RE: two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/1/2005 7:10:22 PM

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I think that if there was a herbal remedy that could help imobalize a sub and tone down their motor skills, that could be fun. Total helplessness.

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RE: two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/1/2005 7:23:51 PM

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Alcohol for me is a hard limit as is hard drugs; Heroin, Cocaine, Pain pills...etc.
Smoking some weed I don't find a big deal and can make things more
pleasurable, without the risk of total loss of control.

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RE: two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/1/2005 7:32:16 PM

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quote:

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On a personal note, I agree...however, my personal opinion isn't important. What's important is that drug use is illegal and you can go to jail for it. Any person who purposely engages in illegal behavior is an idiot in my opinion. I work as a jailer, and let me tell you, I would NEVER consciously do something that would get me sent there...its a not a fun place to be.

Just because I love to play the devils advocate I have to ask this.

In more than couple of our fine 'free' states in this country, this lifestyle that we all enjoy so much is also illegal (regardless of concent).

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Any person who purposely engages in illegal behavior is an idiot in my opinion.

Does you feel that those people in those states are idiots, or should they just suppress their natural desires because it is illegal? In some countries homosexuality and bisexuality are also treated as crimes. They idots too?

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RE: two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/1/2005 8:05:12 PM

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Oh- and I think the idea that cigarettes and alcohol is legal and many other basic drus are not is ridiculous. Either we believe adults can choose for themselves what they want in their own bodies or we don't.

Perhaps I am reading this wrong, but how is it ridiculous that cigarettes and alcohol are legal and other drugs aren't? People have freedom of choice as to what they put into their bodies within the laws of the land. Does that stop people from using? Obviously not. I am sure if they outlawed french fries tomorrow there would be someone on the corner selling illegal fries and people would be buying them. If you want to disregard one law, why not throw out the rest of them as well? I mean, if adults can choose to do what they see fit, then why have the laws in the first place? Not agreeing with the laws is one issue and we have the freedom in the USA to do that. Not abiding by the laws is a choice that carries consequences if caught.

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RE: two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/1/2005 8:10:55 PM

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If you want to disregard one law, why not throw out the rest of them as well? I mean, if adults can choose to do what they see fit, then why have the laws in the first place? Not agreeing with the laws is one issue and we have the freedom in the USA to do that. Not abiding by the laws is a choice that carries consequences if caught.

Just because something is a LAW does not make it RIGHT, does not make it BEST nor does it make it something we should ABIDE by.

I'm not suggesting we overthrow our government, but I won't follow a law just because it happens to be a law. Don't take a reasonable statement and throw it into a hyperbole to render it useless.

Abortion used to be illegal, segregation used to be legal, I think those were wrong too. I'm not saying "let's throw out all the laws because some of them suck!" but I am saying that we need to decide what is right and best for our own selves, no matter what any law says.

As I said from the start, this is a personal choice. I absolutely respect someone who says "Sorry, you've had too much caffeine today, let's wait until later" or even someone who says "Sorry, I only date smokers"

But don't get upset with me because my choice doesn't agree with yours.

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RE: two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/1/2005 8:23:31 PM

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ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2
I think the same with drugs as I do with alcohol. I believe we're adults and should be able to put substances in our bodies if we want and if we want to be in scenes with people, we should use adult judgement in doing so.

It's a personal choice, if someone does or doesn't want to play with someone because they have ANY altering substance in their body- alcohol, a drug, nicotine, endorphins, caffeine, etc, that's their choice. We all take responsibility for the risks we accept, that's why we value consent at such a high premium.

My sentiments exactly! M

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RE: two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/1/2005 8:26:10 PM

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I think that if there was a herbal remedy that could help imobalize a sub and tone down their motor skills, that could be fun. Total helplessness.

That I think is a terrible idea, unless you have a breathing machine handy and intubation equiment where you play.. M

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RE: two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/1/2005 8:36:20 PM

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Just because something is a LAW does not make it RIGHT, does not make it BEST nor does it make it something we should ABIDE by.

I would agree. That is not what I said.

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I'm not suggesting we overthrow our government, but I won't follow a law just because it happens to be a law. Don't take a reasonable statement and throw it into a hyperbole to render it useless.

I didn't think I was doing that. I merely expanded on a thought and carried it to a conclusion to make a point.

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Abortion used to be illegal, segregation used to be legal, I think those were wrong too. I'm not saying "let's throw out all the laws because some of them suck!" but I am saying that we need to decide what is right and best for our own selves, no matter what any law says.

Point taken, but I never said all laws were right. And I agree that as a country we need to decide what is best for ourselves. But my point is, until the laws change they carry consequences whether you agree with the laws or not. We have the freedom in this country to challenge the law, and we have done so and will continue to do so.

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But don't get upset with me because my choice doesn't agree with yours.

Me? Upset? At you? Nope, you read me wrong again. I was merely throwing my thoughts into the fray for the purpose of discussion. I respect your opinion, you are entitled to it.

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RE: two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/1/2005 8:39:34 PM

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That I think is a terrible idea, unless you have a breathing machine handy and intubation equiment where you play.. M

Not necessarily, though that's not a bad idea in itself. People to drug/knock out play as part of their kinky activities a lot. This thread brought up a lot of safety issues related to this type of play.

Chloroform Anyone?

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RE: two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/1/2005 10:00:37 PM

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If you want to disregard one law, why not throw out the rest of them as well? I mean, if adults can choose to do what they see fit, then why have the laws in the first place? Not agreeing with the laws is one issue and we have the freedom in the USA to do that. Not abiding by the laws is a choice that carries consequences if caught.

oooo.... yeah! This brings up a great topic. Are laws rooted in reason or are they rooted in command? Thomas Aquinas contended that laws have authority to the degree that they participate in divine reason. Aquinas was a big believer in law and order, and stated that governments, also, have authority to the extent that they participate in divine reason.

But he recognized that tyrannical governments were possible, as well as the possibility of immoral laws. He concluded that there are laws which can be morally broken because they do not have the force of law since they participate little in divine reason. How do you distinguish between the two? Well, you use your reason but you also have to pray for divine guidance.

The segregation laws of the American South would have fallen into the category of immoral 'laws' which can be morally broken. But do drug laws? I dunno.... I can not make a case for it. But certainly allowing alcohol and tobacco but forbidding the use of marijuana seems to be an odd compromise.

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