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Abuse: A Proactive Approach To Helping The Abused - 8/1/2005 9:47:01 PM   
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Abuse: A Proactive Approach To Helping The Abused



Introduction


When I was a small boy I went to live with my aunt and uncle (on my father's side) in a small rural town. (I don't remember the age exactly but we'll say I was four years old.) My father's family was a large country family and he was the youngest of four sisters, four brothers and one or two siblings who died either at birth or very young. (It's kind of a morbid point so I never dug into the details of his siblings who were lost while still young.) His sister, my aunt, with whom I went to live for a time as a small boy, was the eldest child. So, there was a wide enough age difference so that she could have been my father's mother, and indeed I think he saw her as motherly in many ways. And, agewise, she could easily have been my grandmother. Indeed, I came to think of her as something of a mother and grandmother. Likewise, I grew to regard her husband, my uncle, as more of a father and grandfather. Their children, my cousins, were only a very few years younger than my father. None of these people are still with me in this world.

My aunt and uncle were exceptionally wise people. They were honest to a fault. Over the course of their lives they had honed that very rare and valuable trait, common sense, to a razor's edge. I was fortunate beyond any reasonable expectation to have been in their care, even for a short while, during a formative period in my life. They instilled in me a passion for honesty, forthrightness and just plain common sense in a way I would never have found anywhere else in the world. In my life, I have met no finer people, and no couple that more embodied the ideals of teamwork and family solidarity. And I have met no people who had a greater sense of the importance of integrity and common sense. (If that sounds to you like the ideal d/s family, I will concur with your opinion.)

To my great good fortune, my uncle was something of a story teller. (I would feel immeasurably honored and humble if I take after him in this way.) Of course, his stories *always* had a moral. And I never tired of hearing his stories. My aunt bought children's books for me and would read them to me. The books she bought and the stories she read *always* had a moral. And I never tired of her reading them to me. One book she bought for me and read to me repeatedly was the story of "Chicken Little". I googled it and this was one of the first entries that popped up:

http://www.edsanders.com/chickenlittle/

I hope you enjoy reading it as much as I enjoyed rereading it.

Remember, this was a rural town, many years ago. A medium large shade tree grew off the front left corner of the house where the front porch was. At the end of the day, after my uncle came home from work, and after dinner, a story he often told to me while he sat on the screened porch smoking his pipe with me in his lap is the story of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf". Later of course, I learned that story is age-old, one of Aesop's Fables. How fortunate a child I was! Learning the classics on my uncle's knee. You can read that story here:

http://www.storyarts.org/library/aesops/stories/boy.html

I hope you enjoy it as much as I do.


The reason these allegorical stories have survived the ages, have been passed from one generation to the next by word of mouth, is that they represent and teach lessons about human nature. Had these allegories been based on false pretenses they would have died the unheralded death of the forgotten untruth centuries ago.


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The Abuse of Chicken Little (The Problem of Imprecision of Definition)



I do value dictionaries. I refer to them often. Not only do they teach correct spelling, they are also great tools to help us focus our thoughts, achieve clarity of concept and to resolve seeming, and often distracting but false contradictions. In the case of "The A-Word", consulting dictionaries, I find their reference helpful in the present discussions in still another way. Namely, the variety and imprecision of the accepted definitions of "abuse" is, in itself, an example of part of the problem with the term "Abuse" as it has been used in discussions here on cm. When you read the examples of definitions cited in the footnote (1) below, I think you will see what I mean.

Because abuse has so many meanings and so many accepted uses, it becomes useless for precise communication. If I abuse one of my hand tools (use it improperly, even in a way harmful to the tool) it is no big deal. But, I have committed the "sin", if I may call it that, of "Abuse". Similarly, if I owned a slave whose expertise, training and temperament were best suited to use as a Victorian maid, and I instructed her to serve as a pleasure slave, or as a kitchen slave, a definitionally valid argument could be made that I was "abusing" that slave. Frankly, I could not argue with either the usage or the definition employed and would have to admit to being guilty as so accused.

But! What I would say to the speaker is that "The A-Word" is much too much of a "loaded" word to be used to describe the way I was treating my slave. "Abuse" also has the meaning of doing serious harm to a person. It is too easy to use that term (correctly) to describe the way I would be treating my slave in my hypothetical example, and at the same time *imply* I was doing something reprehensible. Therefore, I would ask the person describing my treatment of my slave to choose another term.

Abuse, definitionally, when performed in its harshest form is *actionable*. By actionable, I mean that abusing someone else as hard as one can with a baseball bat is an actionable act. This degree of abuse justifies action by the abused in terms of self defense, probably even to the point of deadly force if need be. This degree of abuse justifies intervention by society in the form of our legal and peace keeping governmental arms, ie., police, attorneys, judges, social workers and so on.

So, we can see that there exists what I will call "Actionable Abuse", and then there is other abuse, "abuse-within-a-broad-definition-of-abuse". When we start talking about people who have been "abused", these two classes of "The A-Word" are two very different animals. And, making a distinction is very important. Unfortunately for the credibility of those who have suffered Actionable Abuse, the people they talk to have often become so inured to widespread claims of "Abuse" by those claiming abuse-within-a-broad-definition-of-abuse, that the claims of the sufferers of Actionable Abuse are usually discounted.

It should seem obvious to the life-experienced reader that the two definitionally correct, but fundamentally different examples of abuse I have defined should not be confused. But sadly, many many people *do* in fact confuse, intermingle in the same context, and fail to differentiate between Actionable Abuse and abuse-within-a-broad-definition-of-abuse.

In my observation, the sort of definitionally correct, but emotionally and factually misleading usage of "The A-Word" described immediately above is common. Chicken Little did, in fact, get hit in the head. The problem was though, Chicken Little incorrectly claimed the sky was falling. Many people do experience abuse-within-a-broad-definition-of-abuse. Far fewer experience Actionable Abuse that is worthy of society's attention.

The biggest Abusers are right here among us! Abuse of the term "Abuse" only ends up Abusing the truly Abused.



Chicken Little's Friends (May I Come With You? Oh My!)



As in the children's parable, the loudest and most numerous voices we hear on the topic of Abuse are not from the Actionably Abused themselves, rather we hear loudest and longest from those who learn of instances of Abuse second-hand. When they propound about "The A-Word", their imaginations, fed by their own nightmares, are unleashed, often to the point of absurdity. Having, perhaps, once witnessed a case of Actionable Abuse, any claim or complaint by a fellow sister (Chicken Little's friends are usually women) (see footnote (2)) is immediately and unquestioningly given the status of the gospel in terms of veracity on one hand, and repeated with the liberality of a folk tale, freely expounded upon and embellished on the other hand. There are names for this phenomenon. It is called mass hysteria, group hysteria, collective hysteria, and so on. It is a witch hunt. It is not uncommon. In fact, it is so common that psychology professionals are themselves guilty of this hysteria, finding abuse where there is none. Below, I cite two articles about that very problem from "Psychology Today":

http://cms.psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-19930101-000007.html

As the writer of the article says, after belittling the word "Abuse" through fictional or over use, "the genuine victims of abuse have a tougher time persuading others to believe their charges."

Here's another article about the damage the fanatics do when they address the topic of "Abuse".

http://cms.psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-19941101-000030.html

The author says, "Many therapists who 'find' forgotten incest are merely immature, inexperienced, and working through their distrust and paranoid fantasies about men, parents, or family life that should be the subject of their own therapy, not their clients'."

And I say to my readers that the exact same thing holds true for the fanatics among us who find "Abuse" in any and every thing and rant and rave about the rampant "Abuse" in the world and men around us. It is their own inner problems coming to the surface.

The biggest Abusers are right here among us! Abuse of the term "Abuse" only ends up Abusing the truly Abused.



The Girls Who Cry Wolf



Oh! Chicken Little and Chicken Little's Friends make it easy for the Girls Who Cry Wolf!

Why has Aesop's fable endured for thousands of years? Because it illustrates a truth about human nature. If anyone is worse for the truly abused, if anyone is the enemy of battered women, it is The Girls Who Cry Wolf! Out of anger, spite, fear, desire for attention and more selfish "reasons" than I can list, some women fabricate "Abuse" from whole cloth. Or, probably more often, "Abuse" is claimed with a shred of truth but the whole story is not given. Significant details that make all the difference are withheld. "He came to my home and would not leave when I asked him to." In their home town, "he" has told their mutual friends that she was so angry she hid his car keys. Face to face, asking "Why wouldn't he leave?" works a lot better than here on the internet. A reply of "He just wouldn't" sounds as fishy as it later turns out to be. Or, "He hit me", upon investigation turns out to be they *both* became angry, fought and hit each other.

I want to be clear that I am not condoning couples physically fighting. Nor am I condoning men striking women even in cases of extreme provocation and/or self defense. But I will say this: People are human. Couples argue. Some couples strike each other. Both men and women. And while regrettable and even reprehensible, this is not "Abuse" in the sense that Chicken Little and Chicken Little's Friends would have us believe.

The internet is an excellent stomping ground for these Girls Who Cry Wolf. No one knows them. No one knows the truth. Anything can be said with a straight face for no one can see anyone else's face. In their home towns, however, someone often knows the truth. So, I think they often turn to the internet.

The biggest Abusers are right here among us! Abuse of the term "Abuse" only ends up Abusing the truly Abused.



The Completely Ridiculous



Beyond Chicken Little, Beyond Chicken Little's Friends, Beyond even The Girls Who Cry Wolf, in more than one place on cm's boards I have read women who referred to "Abuse" via PM, IM and email! OMG! If it weren't such a serious topic, you'd have to laugh! And someone writing: Look at all the *trolls* out there! Think how many *Abusers* must be among all those trolls!

People, I say to you: If you care about the truly abused women in this society, if you care about the battered women who are going to need some credibility - you gotta say something when someone starts this kind of ridiculous rant.



Credibility: The Biggest Problem Abused Women Face Today



One young woman wrote what she called her "first flame" directed at me. Her profile says she is 18. When I was 18, there were few, if any, battered women's shelters. Women had to show cause to get a divorce. Police had no sensitivity training. Rape crisis centers had yet to be imagined. And so on.

That was yesterday. Today's problem is different. Today, the young woman who wrote vituperatively to me here on cm's board is part of the biggest problem battered women have. Namely, credibility. Until we, this young woman's peers, stand up and be counted among those who oppose "Abuse" hysteria, she and others like her will continue to make it difficult or even impossible for battered women and victims of domestic violence to benefit from the quick and comprehensive credibility they need to set the wheels in motion of the institutions that have been founded since the '60's and '70's, the institutions and policies that are designed to help these women in distress.

The biggest Abusers are right here among us! Abuse of the term "Abuse" only ends up Abusing the truly Abused.



Abuse Is A Serious Problem



Battering, domestic violence, stalking, abduction, rape and more, are real. These are serious problems. Each moral person among us will rise in any way he or she can to fight and work toward the goal of diminishing these problems as well as aiding and supporting the victims of these heinous acts.

Rape crisis centers, battered women's shelters, halfway houses, professional counselors, police sensitivity training and more are in place today because in the past, people, prominently including the activists of the '60's and 70's, my generation, and me individually included in that, spoke out on these issues and demanded social change and progress toward addressing these (and other) unacceptable social injustices.

Are things better than they were? Yes. Is the work to right these wrongs completed? No. Do we all need to keep working to right these wrongs? Yes.

From my experience as a grass roots activist, I say to the reader: The changes for the better in our society come almost exclusively through public awareness and support. One voice is lost to the wind. The sound of thousands of voices speaking in unison is usually heard. And, one of the first and best contributions we can make toward increasing public awareness, sympathy and support for any issue is to cull the chaff from the wheat. Separate the hysteria from the reality. When we present a case of straw it soon collapses. When we turn our attention and our energies to real, demonstrable problems we can often gain widespread support and solidarity of purpose. Following that, we can expect to see significant change to the status quo. In short, by decreasing "Abuse" hysteria we can focus society's attention on the real problems women have that do need to be addressed.

The biggest Abusers are right here among us! Abuse of the term "Abuse" only ends up Abusing the truly Abused.



Abuse Hysteria In D/S And S&M



As we have discussed in prior threads on this discussion board, many of the things we do in d/s and in s&m are technically illegal. While our neighbors and the authorities mostly turn a blind eye to wiitwd, excessive "Abuse" hysteria could easily turn that blind eye into an over zealous persecution of bdsm'ers. I'm confident there are plenty of people out there just itching for the chance to persecute us!



A Call To Action



If the reader really cares about the plight of women who are the victims of battery and domestic violence, I send out a call to arms! Empower these women with the credibility they need! Stand up against "Abuse" hysteria.

But be forewarned! In his article ( http://cms.psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-19941101-000030.html ) Dr. Frank tells us about his experience when he spoke out against the fanatical "Abuse" witch hunters within his profession. It was not pleasant for him. I have been the target of insult here on cm for pointing out the over use of "Abuse". You will need courage to help these battered women attain credibility by standing up to the fanatics who see "Abuse" in every pair of trousers. So be forewarned. Join me only if you have the courage.


The biggest Abusers are right here among us! Abuse of the term "Abuse" only ends up Abusing the truly Abused.




---Footnotes---

(1)

Cambridge.org informs us: abuse: noun bad or cruel treatment of a person or animal, or the use of something in an unsuitable or wrong way (found here: http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=abuse*1+0&dict=A )

Oxford informs us: abuse: noun 1 the improper use of something. 2 cruel and violent treatment, especially sexual assault. 3 insulting and offensive language. (found here: http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/abuse?view=uk )

And Webster's informs us: abuse:
1 : a corrupt practice or custom
2 : improper or excessive use or treatment : MISUSE <drug abuse>
3 obsolete : a deceitful act : DECEPTION
4 : language that condemns or vilifies usually unjustly, intemperately, and angrily
5 : physical maltreatment

(2)

A caveat: Although most of the people who damage the credibility of the truly abused women among us by "Abuse" hysteria and over use of the term "Abuse" are themselves women, by no means is it my intent to imply that all men are without blame in this. When and where you encounter a man who follows this destructive pattern of "Abuse" hysteria, I mean all that I have written here to apply to him as well.




Postscript:

You are welcome to print or save this post for your own use. Please do not copy it to any public or semi-public forum (including email groups/lists) without my express permission. Thanks. All rights reserved. (I write this postscript because after-the-fact someone wrote to me to inform me that they had copied a prior post I wrote to another list. So, I thought I'd better clarify what my preference/policy is regarding use of what I write.)

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RE: Abuse: A Proactive Approach To Helping The Abused - 8/2/2005 9:40:05 AM   
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i just want to say this: the judges i went before for a permanent restraining order (which was ALWAYS contested) required evidence. For that reason, i either obtained to woman's medical records or had her get a physical, so that proof of abuse was available to support her case. There is nothing else that looks like a closed fist bruise...and on the belly of a pregnant woman..or over her kidneys..so that she has blood in the urine..these marks do not disappear overnight. i never had a client who made me wonder "is she faking it?" i practiced before women's shelters, etc., were in place and the woman's departure was terribly dangerous. Three women were shot to death after obtaining restraining orders in Tallahassee while i lived there...none of them my clients, thank God.

i practiced this kind of law in the 80's and 90's...before the protection MephisDCouple speaks of were in place...mostly before the passage of the Violence Against Women's Act. During this era, being battered was so shameful no one would dream of "faking it". But MDC is right...it seems we now have girls who were shouted at claiming to have been abused. *Sigh* Unless he was shouting "i am gonna kill you" it's not abuse. Not every thing men do that women take issue with is abuse.

Broken bones...deep tissue bruising (esp over the kidneys or the belly of a pregnant woman)...hair pulled such that scalp is missing a piece...this is abuse. Pointing a loaded gun at you. Threatening to kill you or your kids (and having the means to do so) is abuse. In short, DANGER...not ANNOYANCE.

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RE: Abuse: A Proactive Approach To Helping The Abused - 8/2/2005 10:12:31 AM   
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I don't have any intention of disputing just how ugly physical, tangible abuse can be. Same for the abuse of relative positions and power structures, whether familial, corporate or any other.

I do want to state, however, that mental and verbal abuse is a very real thing. A shouting match doesn't fall under the category, no... but being constantly degraded, a violent and angry approach, cruelty from someone who knows all the buttons to push and is hammering them as hard and as fast as they can... I've been in a relationship that turned abusive, and it's only with the sharpest of ironies I can say "luckily, I was on the receiving end".

The article is valid, and I agree: crying abuse unnecessarily trivializes the matter. It's a buzzword these days for people who don't want to accept responsibility. But - I feel like in some ways it's also saying "unless you're being beaten/raped/physically threatened, stop whining, other people have it worse than you". Psychological rape happens too.

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RE: Abuse: A Proactive Approach To Helping The Abused - 8/2/2005 12:02:25 PM   
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Interesting and well written (and researched) post. I was wondering about your research, documentation and footnotes regarding a certain 18 year old girl in which you can cite your undisputed knowledge of the entirety of her situation.

Or was it just your emotional response to a perceived slight at having been "flamed"? Inquiring minds want to know.

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RE: Abuse: A Proactive Approach To Helping The Abused - 8/2/2005 12:06:42 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MemphisDsCouple

Credibility: The Biggest Problem Abused Women Face Today

One young woman wrote what she called her "first flame" directed at me. Her profile says she is 18. When I was 18, there were few, if any, battered women's shelters. Women had to show cause to get a divorce. Police had no sensitivity training. Rape crisis centers had yet to be imagined. And so on.

That was yesterday. Today's problem is different. Today, the young woman who wrote vituperatively to me here on cm's board is part of the biggest problem battered women have. Namely, credibility. Until we, this young woman's peers, stand up and be counted among those who oppose "Abuse" hysteria, she and others like her will continue to make it difficult or even impossible for battered women and victims of domestic violence to benefit from the quick and comprehensive credibility they need to set the wheels in motion of the institutions that have been founded since the '60's and '70's, the institutions and policies that are designed to help these women in distress.

The biggest Abusers are right here among us! Abuse of the term "Abuse" only ends up Abusing the truly Abused.




The following link is to the thread I started, "Beyond Understanding."

http://www.collarchat.com/m_128401/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm

Perhaps you can help me understand how my contributions to this thread, which is not even written in the first person, somehow promoted "abuse hysteria?"

It seems you may have read more into my post, than was actually shared.

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RE: Abuse: A Proactive Approach To Helping The Abused - 8/3/2005 6:33:18 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: caitlyn

The following link is to the thread I started, "Beyond Understanding."

http://www.collarchat.com/m_128401/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm

Perhaps you can help me understand how my contributions to this thread, which is not even written in the first person, somehow promoted "abuse hysteria?"



Caitlyn, the fact that I did not refer to you by name when I wrote was not an error of omission. I purposely declined to identify you because unlike when you wrote:


quote:

ORIGINAL: caitlyn

Or, they might just post half-nude pictures of their submissive on the internet, to troll for women.

caitlyn

P.S. That was my very first (and probably last) flame ... how do you think I did?



I try to avoid allowing my emotions to incite me to insult. I try to avoid writing disparagingly and identifying an individual at the same time. However, since you have asked a question civilly, I write this addendum in an effort to address that question with civility and fact.


quote:

ORIGINAL: caitlyn

The following link is to the thread I started, "Beyond Understanding."

http://www.collarchat.com/m_128401/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm

Perhaps you can help me understand how my contributions to this thread, which is not even written in the first person, somehow promoted "abuse hysteria?"


Therefore, in the spirit that you ask your question from a constructive, "truly want to know and improve" type frame of mind, I say:

The thread you cite is not the only time you have written on the subject of abuse.

When I wrote:

quote:

ORIGINAL: MemphisDsCouple

Proponents of Abuse Alarmism try to prove the fact of existence by the fact of difficulty in the disproving. Of course, to the reasoning among us this is like the arguments about evolution, whether the world is flat or round, and so on.


Here: http://www.collarchat.com/m_133193/mpage_1/key_abuse/tm.htm#133271

You wrote your flame, here: http://www.collarchat.com/m_133193/mpage_1/key_abuse/tm.htm#133306


Then you wrote (in your "Last Post On This Topic"):

quote:

ORIGINAL: caitlyn

If 500 people post stories about their own abuse experience on this website, and only one of them is true ... is it worth it to hurt that one person, just because you are annoyed by the other 499?


I trust I have adequately explained the extreme harm the 499 did to the 1. To confront the 499 is not a matter of addressing an annoyance. Rather, it is a matter of protecting and empowering the 1.

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RE: Abuse: A Proactive Approach To Helping The Abused - 8/3/2005 6:46:26 AM   
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Please remember that you saw only the tip of the iceberg. You dealt only with the ones that made it through the system and had a shot at court because they had physical evidence that the law would accept. There is so much more that you did not see.

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RE: Abuse: A Proactive Approach To Helping The Abused - 8/3/2005 6:49:42 AM   
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Thank you MemphisDsCouple.

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RE: Abuse: A Proactive Approach To Helping The Abused - 8/3/2005 9:08:44 AM   
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pinkpleasures

Please remember that you saw only the tip of the iceberg. You dealt only with the ones that made it through the system and had a shot at court because they had physical evidence that the law would accept. There is so much more that you did not see.

Gentle Lady


i saw many women. Not every one was prepared to leave her abuser....a dangerous thing to do. Most came to see me three or four times over the course of weeks or even months. i was always there, ready to act, but at the same time i never judged them..i treated each woman respectfully. Not every woman who consulted me went forward and left her abuser. For those that did, a safety plan was developed before our court appearance. i treated my clients with dignity and respect, as did the judges, but not the police or the prosecutors. i told my clients that if they needed to call the cops, to call me too, so i could threaten legal action if harm befell the woman and her kids if the police failed to respond. In the deep south, overcoming attitudes about domestic violence was hard. For the most part, my clients had to rely on hiding out.

Gentle Lady, i am aware that there were women who never even gathered the courage to consult a lawyer. The "headspace" of a battered woman is all about pleasing the batterer so he won't hit her again -- which is impossible -- because he hits her because he wants to. She has no control over the violence. He keeps telling her she does ("if you'd have had dinner on the table when i came home") but that's a big lie. Until something shakes her up and she sees the lie, she cannot make changes for herself and her kids. It's practically brainwashing. This makes it difficult to reach out to women in battering relationships. i'm not sure how we'd even try, apart from medical personnel and law enforcement.

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RE: Abuse: A Proactive Approach To Helping The Abused - 8/3/2005 9:27:37 AM   
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I don't want to presume to be arguing on anyone's defense or behalf. Everyone here is an adult and can do so for themselves. That having been said, I can't help but observe the following:

1. It is utterly disingenuous to make a clear and unmistakable reference to a singular and specific individual, and then state that you did so because you "decline to identify" the individual. I don't know whether I should take umbrage at the level of intellect you must (mistakenly) assign to the rest of us reading along, or simply laugh at how a (seemingly) intelligent individual such as yourself can contort logic to suit your needs.

2. It is equally dubious that the manner in which you referred to this individual could conceivably be anything other than "disparaging", despite your claims to the contrary.

3. Something has put a bee in your bonnet (perhaps you prefer that term to "allowing your emotions to incite you to insult"). That's the only plausible reason for singling out one individual in these threads for such an intellectually dishonest public flogging. Why not just be direct and spit it out?

4. I cannot help but wonder if you possess a power of omnipotence that allows you to identify the 499 Chicken Littles? Personally, I am unable to discerne via the computer and internet who is telling the truth about abuse, or anything else, until such time as demonstrable untruths are told (ie: someone claims the earth is flat, to use one of your examples).

5. I didn't see anyone (even the previously unnamed 18 year old that flamed you but who's identity you protected because you're a stand-up guy) who remotely suggested that false accusations or claims of abuse should be tolerated or encouraged. I did see varying degrees of concern regarding the potentially fragile emotional state that genuine victims of abuse may find themselves in, and the effect of a (justifyably in my view) skeptical internet audience upon them. That concern doesn't seem the least bit unreasonable in my view, particularly when it is simply raised in the form of a question (not some proposed "blanket amnesty" for internet claims of abuse). Frankly, regardless of anyone's personal opinions on the topic, those are some (surely not all) of the questions that each of us should consider during our decision making process.

In conclusion, all this passive/agressive behavior simply offends common sense, my personal sensibilities, and detracts from the fact that (beyond the "plausibly deniable" diversion for personal attack) you wrote a damn fine article with which I heartily agree (personal attack excepted).

John

P.S. - My apology at being a neophyte using many of the functions of this bulletin board, such as the imbedded quote feature.

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RE: Abuse: A Proactive Approach To Helping The Abused - 8/3/2005 9:28:32 AM   
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Actually MemphisDs ... I didn't actually identify you by name either, when I flamed ... so I guess we are even.

You are right about one thing though ... and probably only one ... I did completely lose my temper when I flamed. I do feel bad about doing it ... it is very unlike me, I shouldn't have done it, and thank you in advance for accepting my apology.

I think what has bothered me the most about your posts, is that while you do admit that the problem does exist, you seem to spend an inordinate amount of time directly insinuating that people are in fact lying.

Part of your point, to be sure, but when you said:


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ORIGINAL: MemphisDsCouple

Until we, this young woman's peers, stand up and be counted among those who oppose "Abuse" hysteria, she and others like her will continue to make it difficult or even impossible for battered women and victims of domestic violence to benefit from the quick and comprehensive credibility they need to set the wheels in motion of the institutions that have been founded since the '60's and '70's, the institutions and policies that are designed to help these women in distress.


... you are in fact making an insunition about someone you have never met, never talked to, never emailed, never communicated with in any way, etc ...

Given that, the text above can only be a) a return flame, b) data you presented without knowing any of the actual facts.

If it is a) then well done!

If it is b) then why should we take any of what you have to say seriously, when you have shown yourself willing to make commentary on topics for which you have no actualy first or even second hand knowlege? In that instance, you are on par with the "abuse hysteria" people you so decry?

A bit hard to take you seriously under those conditions ... not a flame on you ... just simple 2+2 logic.

You get the last word ... I'm done with this thread.


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RE: Abuse: A Proactive Approach To Helping The Abused - 8/3/2005 11:54:59 AM   
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Abuse: A Proactive Approach To Helping The Abused

With the title of a post such as this.... I really thought I would come and read some healthy discussion of how to help the abused...you know, a "proper" approach.
Tis not what I have read.

So might I suggest...
Need for support....
1. a need for a skilled therapist demonstrating acceptance and compassion and genuine love in the healing process
2. education of the community at large of genuine issues
Benefits of support...
Another caring individual often provides the sense of safety necessary for an abused survivor to open and face the painful areas and journey through healing
Qualities of supporters....
A survivor needs a team of supporters that can complement each other in their roles
1. a supporter must have a healthy sense of esteem
2. have a knowledge of the issues
3. be aware that issues of oneself may arise
4. available time and energy needed
5. be comfortable with abuse issues and understand all dynamics involved or at least be willing to become knowledgeable of dynamics
6. good interpersonal skills
7. good spiritual health
8. willingness to learn and grow and be stretched in this particular type of relationship with a survivor
Building trust
Trust is the cornerstone of any significant relationship of support.
Learning to trust again is a crucial component of the healing process.
The way survivors evaluate trustworthiness is greatly affected by their personal history.
They develope incredible radar for reading people.
A list of character traits to help win the trust of abuse survivors is:
1. moral integrity
2. consistency
3. dependability
4. openness
5. firm moral and personal boundaries
6. ability to acknowledge mistakes
7. sensitivity
8. compassion
9. nonjudgmental acceptance of all their issues
10 respect for the total person and all their issues

Hope this helps.

~~Shy

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RE: Abuse: A Proactive Approach To Helping The Abused - 8/3/2005 12:46:51 PM   
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Well i didnt read the Stories Memphis put in the OP, read what he wrote, but that was it. Though i am saving it for later when i have more time to think about what he says.

but i wanted to mention on abuse. First i'd like to say, i've never cried "abuse" to anyone that mattered in any frame of time near any episode in my life. It wasnt until years later that i actuallyl labeled certian times in my life as Abuse. Sometimes when everyone is so big on "not crying abuse" that when things go wrong, others, like me, dont know what to say. How about saying "things happen" Which is generally what i did say. First of all, i'd like to say abuse is more then just physical. i regress, as a child, i used to run screaming i was going to call social services on my father. i did call abuse on him, but never to "authorities" But only because i it did my head in watching my older brother being flung across rooms. i simply called my father on it which helped for my two younger siblings. Made hiim think.

But for me. i've been through emotional abuse with my stepfather as a kid. Why do i say abuse? Only really because i have blacked out most of my childhood involving him. Disney land, dont remember going and because of a few things i remember.

Sexual abuse? Hey i was 15, should of known what i was doing, what was going on. But being the fact that he was more then twice my age and literally playing me, as well as once telling some one once.. and being told it. Well okay.

i didnt even consider losing my virginity rape when i was 14. but having a counselar tell me.. and taking years to actually remember what happened...

the abuse that no one sees, is quite honestly the thing i am most afraid of. The mental, emotional and psychological abuse. Personally i think its the most damaging. Made it through the sexual stuff, made it through the physical stuff and made it through the emotional stuff. But the psychological abuse, it just did me in. Had a guy who not only used to attack me, but employed multiple tatics against me. His biggest tactic was getting to know me and twisting it. i cant to this day, even remember all that he did psychologically. i wish i could, so i could reverse it. But its black. The start of the relationship i remember (pretty much roses) and the end of it where i became it.. but the middle, the transformation.. its black. i know i was a slightly depressed, but easy going, usually cheerful person who was a good kid when i met him. And i know at the end i was in fear of doing anything, thining myself non better then the trash in the gutter. i do remember his favorite saying to me "if you were anyone else i'd of killed you by now" i know my time with this man, has given me issue after issue if with life. Even tho i shut the door, he still influences my thoughts. This man got to know me, became my best friend and then used everything he knew about me to destroy me. He is amazingly hard to get away from. i tried more times then i can count, trying to escape him. i finally did find a way. It came in the form of 30 otc sleeping pilles and 42 trazadones, couple with making sure i was out of state when i let the cops know where he was hiding, and couple with moving to a completely different state while he was in jail.

Physical abuse.. bah. i can deal with my face being swollen or my mouth split. Bodies recover. But what i personally think is harder to deal with is the psychological abuse. Why? Because it is something, even after 7 years i have not been able to fully recover from. Still have panic attacks, still have cold flashes when i think i've done something wrong and i still life my life in a way that the people around me, have no clue who the hell i am. Because i still live my life encased by the "saftey measures" i built after getting away from him.

God knows, he could be the least of the evil out there and i'm not taking any chances of ending up back in hell

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RE: Abuse: A Proactive Approach To Helping The Abused - 8/3/2005 1:00:00 PM   
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How to help slavedesires? i would say anyone needing to know, ask my Master.

i think the biggest thing is, is to understand the mind screw involved. Understand the reactions to certian things. Figure out where they are, and dont take the reactions personal.

Once, i flipped on Master. took something the wrong way, and i went into a complete and utter panic. Liteerally flipped my lid. at the time i could only see him as evil. Everything i was afraid of was standing before me. i ended up backing myself into a corner, wouldnt go near him, was calculating how i could get out the door before he could reach me. constantly calculating the best way to safety.

what did he do?

He ignored me. Yet would off and on talk to me. Evnetually he got in bed and just called for me. i think he eventually fell asleep (as i wasnt leaving my corner) But after time, i was able to move closer to him and then FINALLY i was able to lay down next to him and then my vision of him changed and i realised he wasnt evil, that he was a man i knew and loved.

His biggest mistake would have been to approach me. Or touch me. i dunno what my reaction would of been, but i am sure i'd of flipped even more. i'd of prolly lost all conscious thought. (which happens at times to me)

So moral of it all.. if your gonna help some one out, make sure you know what your doing. Otherwise it could go gravely wrong. Sometimes though, its just to have others understand, that you do the things you do and are the way you are because it makes perfect sense in your head.

Yeah thats it.. its all about safety. Being safe. A need to be safe. First sign of un safety.. heh.. cya

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RE: Abuse: A Proactive Approach To Helping The Abused - 8/4/2005 2:20:28 PM   
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Riot Girl so eloquently describes the psycological changes a battered woman goes through. It breaks my heart. i stand in awe of her recovery and i hope the Man who hurt her is in prision.

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RE: Abuse: A Proactive Approach To Helping The Abused - 8/4/2005 2:35:04 PM   
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There is a huge difference between being an actual abuse victim,and having a "victim complex."

Actual abuse is quite real,and very nasty. It leaves scars that never really heal.

And knowing how bad this really is, I tend to have contempt for those who fabrcate 'abuse' to bolster a "victim complex" to justify living in denial of accepting personal responsibility for one's OWN actions.

This is one reason I tend not to rush to the aid of people who constantly squeal and whine about how they have been taken advantage of. It's usually the sign of an attention vampire who merely wants a trumped up reason to feed on the emotional energy of others. And it truly disgusts me to see these people being so lavishly fed-for it encourages others to do likewise.

This is NOT to say I can't sort out this kind of drama poser from the ones who actually need help. And I think most of us are also wise enough to spot people who drop into these patterns. After all,if it keeps happening over and over-doesn't it make you wonder just WHY that is?

Here's the trick to do the winnowing of the chaff from the grain. Suggest PRACTICAL and realistic things that people CAN enact to solve problems-if it never happens.......It usually means that they don't WANT to.

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RE: Abuse: A Proactive Approach To Helping The Abused - 8/4/2005 3:21:19 PM   
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quote:

pinkpleasures

Please remember that you saw only the tip of the iceberg. You dealt only with the ones that made it through the system and had a shot at court because they had physical evidence that the law would accept. There is so much more that you did not see.

Gentle Lady


Gentle Lady...You have made me feel stupid and wrong for ever speaking about abuse...as though my experience was worthless and sharing it was somehow harmful. i do not know what to say. My intentions were to help..i don't think anyone believes otherwise. The thought that i have harmed anyone suffering abuse is like a knife in my heart. i regret anything i said that was hurtful to anyone.

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RE: Abuse: A Proactive Approach To Helping The Abused - 8/4/2005 3:26:16 PM   
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quote:

Here's the trick to do the winnowing of the chaff from the grain. Suggest PRACTICAL and realistic things that people CAN enact to solve problems-if it never happens.......It usually means that they don't WANT to. Fidelity


i respectfully disagree, Sir. As i said, most women came to see me three or more times before they were ready to take action. It takes great patience and understanding to deal with battered women (and men). The need to be treated with dignity is like water to a person dying of thirst. Acting skeptically is extremely hurtful. What is so precious about Your volunteer time that You must guard against a phoney to the detriment of real victims?

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RE: Abuse: A Proactive Approach To Helping The Abused - 8/4/2005 3:30:07 PM   
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And yet, there are the fakes.

How do YOU differentiate between actual abuse victims, and drama queens?

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RE: Abuse: A Proactive Approach To Helping The Abused - 8/4/2005 4:14:05 PM   
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i never had a fake...when i practiced this area of law, admitting one was a battered woman was shameful...and attempting to leave a batterer was extremely dangerous. i cannot imagine why You feel that there are "fakes" crying wolf...i know MemphisdsCouple does as well..i think possibly the "shame" has lessened. But i stand by what i have said. The victims generally come and go a few times..perhaps even several times..before they are ready to leave the batterer. It takes great courage to do so. If some ppl are "faking" being abused, well, that's unfortunate, but that should not deter You in Your volunteer work. In short, err on the side of victims.

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