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RE: MsScarlett and the xenophobic English........ - 10/29/2007 8:55:04 AM   
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I visited France in 1983 and 2001, and folks were incredibly nice to me both times.


I suspect if they were nice to you they probably weren't French, and they certainly wouldn't have been from Northern France.  I have to agree with Meatcleaver on this one, the French loathe the world, and they particularly loathe it being in France!  I get away with it to a degree because my French is Swiss accented, so they think I'm from Switzerland, and waiters and so forth try to suck up to me because they think that means bigger tips.  The default setting for the French towards most nationalities is "sneer".  But if you think the French are bad, try Normandy.  It's like the Basque region of Spain, or Aosta in Northern Italy, or Cornwall.  It thinks it should be independent and it looks down on the French for all its worth.  A bit like the Scots, really. 


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RE: MsScarlett and the xenophobic English........ - 10/29/2007 8:59:57 AM   
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I visited France in 1983 and 2001, and folks were incredibly nice to me both times.


I suspect if they were nice to you they probably weren't French, and they certainly wouldn't have been from Northern France.  I have to agree with Meatcleaver on this one, the French loathe the world, and they particularly loathe it being in France!  I get away with it to a degree because my French is Swiss accented, so they think I'm from Switzerland, and waiters and so forth try to suck up to me because they think that means bigger tips.  The default setting for the French towards most nationalities is "sneer".  But if you think the French are bad, try Normandy.  It's like the Basque region of Spain, or Aosta in Northern Italy, or Cornwall.  It thinks it should be independent and it looks down on the French for all its worth.  A bit like the Scots, really. 



I must disagree But in every country I have ever been to and I've been to a lot I usually meet nice people exept in America. And France is no eception. I met plenty of nice french people. But like every where there are one or two assholes. Like the guy on the train Whom I had to kick in the face just to get down the corridor, but in generality their mostly nice.

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RE: MsScarlett and the xenophobic English........ - 10/29/2007 9:00:10 AM   
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The issue is not that they do what they want.

The issue is that they want to do it. And that by doing it, they bring shame and embarassment on our nation.

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Quite!  I first travelled alone as a 5 year old on a plane to Switzerland, to be met by my mad aunt.  (And I really *do* mean MAD.)  I remember my father making sure I was clean and tidy, checking in my case, telling me to behave and most of all impressing upon me that how I behaved was important.  I was told that how I behaved abroad was representative of not only my parents, but of the country that I was born in.  That if I disgraced myself I also disgraced Britain.  I was travelling as an ambassador, and if I was rude to people or badly behaved, they would believe that all the British were the same, and that would be bad. 

It makes me wonder what todays tourists are told by their parents when they travel abroad...


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RE: MsScarlett and the xenophobic English........ - 10/29/2007 9:01:26 AM   
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I must disagree But in every country I have ever been to and I've been to a lot I usually meet nice people exept in America. And France is no eception. I met plenty of nice french people. But like every where there are one or two assholes. Like the guy on the train Whom I had to kick in the face just to get down the corridor, but in generality their mostly nice.


Interesting - you haven't been near the trams in Croydon lately, have you?


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RE: MsScarlett and the xenophobic English........ - 10/29/2007 9:04:01 AM   
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Interesting - you haven't been near the trams in Croydon lately, have you?



I didn't say they where all nice, but people usually can't help but like me. Plus no one bothers me on public transport or in restrooms cause I carrie a rather large and mean looking knife, and usually a hidden gun.

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RE: MsScarlett and the xenophobic English........ - 10/29/2007 9:04:19 AM   
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....not to be picky or anything....there is no 'v' in Welsh. The nearest sound to it is 'f', which is pronounced broadly the same as the English 'v'. For instance, the Welsh word for small (feminine) is pronounced 'vack' (more or less), but is spelled 'fach'. 
Oh, and if you want to make the English 'f' sound you need the Welsh 'ff'. A famous Welsh language campaigner, born in England, changed his name to Ffred Ffrancis in order to make his name Welsh.
There are a number of instances where double letters in Welsh have distinct sounds; ff, dd, ll are good examples.

pob lwc


There's no J, either, despite the name Jones being prevalent.  Jones is the Anglicisation of Evans, which is also an Anglicisation of Efans or Effans.  My fathers is currently tracking his side of the family down through the Welsh ancestry...  zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


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RE: MsScarlett and the xenophobic English........ - 10/29/2007 9:06:11 AM   
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Not in England you wouldn't.  Not unless you *fancied* being surrounded by armed police and sent on holiday at Her Majesties pleasure.

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RE: MsScarlett and the xenophobic English........ - 10/29/2007 9:08:03 AM   
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Pne thing that all Englishman/women share is the desire to own a home with a garden: where else in the world would you hear it seriously argued that living in flats causes riots? 


Paris?


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RE: MsScarlett and the xenophobic English........ - 10/29/2007 9:09:50 AM   
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I've never had any problems with my gun in England or any euorpeian country, but then again I don't go around flashing it at people.

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RE: MsScarlett and the xenophobic English........ - 10/29/2007 9:10:38 AM   
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I don't believe I mentioned your pulling my post to pieces, merely that you quoted it out of context. 



http://www.collarchat.com/m_1366542/mpage_2/tm.htm

Post 36: I've had another look, and there's nothing on this thread that is out of context.

Let's not go down the road of semantics, is there anything in the OP that you'd like to respond to?


You do have a dictionary, don't you?  Go and look up the word CONTEXT.  You'll find that by taking a paragraph from a post and citing it on its own, without the surrounding text, you have removed it from context.  Just as the Elgin Marbles are no longer in their original context, neither was my post. 

I don't believe I attacked you in any way.  I stated a fact.  I stated that you quoted me out of context.  Which is a fact.  So what particular part of that statement are you having a problem with?  Or is it your usual wilful misunderstanding of a situation?


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RE: MsScarlett and the xenophobic English........ - 10/29/2007 10:19:18 AM   
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...nope, no 'j'....ioan = joan. More or less. It's all connected to the
English denying the Welsh their own language and anglicising the Welsh words.......

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RE: MsScarlett and the xenophobic English........ - 10/29/2007 11:53:54 AM   
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I have to agree the Brits aren't so bad, and it sound more like she was talking about the Americans. Now America tourists are reall assholes I mean if your going to travel to a foreign counrty dont whine, who chose to go there now like oit or lump it.
Reminds me of a funny story.
So I was in Tokyo (my home town) And this lost group of Americans where walking around bitching about how noone spoke english (most of them due they just didn't want to deal with whiny tourists) and one of them spotted me. I'm indistinguishable from a born and rasied American even though I'm half Japanese, so this guy come right up to me and yell in my face.
"Thank God we finally found some one in this God awfull hole who speaks english."
This pissed me off, never insult my home town or country.
"Can you tell us how to get to ..... we've been lost for hours."
I looked him right in the eye and said
"Wakalimasen." Which basicly means; I dont understand.
"ENGLISH! DOESN'T ANY ONE SPEAK ENGLISH HERE?"He screamed at me, to which I replied;
"Watashi wa eigo ga wakalimasen." Which mean I don't understand english.
They all moaned and left, once out of sight I and the people who had been watching started cracking up.
The lesson here is if your not in America or some other country whos native language is english don't expect to find many people who speak english.



Bless your heart!

Gods I hate that about Americans.... *sliently screams* every one else in the world at least attempts to speak what ever language they speak in the place they are going to.. or has the bright notion to get a local guide. Lazy! Learn a few other languages!

An old co-worker went to Paris.. I gave her some French Lessons, a few maps, some guide books.. told her where to eat you name it.. Her and her hubby should have had a lovely time. When they came back all they could do was bitch and moan about how so few people spoke english.. and how awful the food was. *blinks* Oh and they had to walk... It's bloodly Paris! of course you have to walk.. but there is a Metro station every 50 ft practicaly! ( ok.. not so much but sheesh!) How in the hell could you not find something to eat in Paris? *just shakes her head* I felt like crap for even giving them the idea to go abroad. Horrible tourists.

On the flipside.. while abroad never say personal things in your native language.. you never know who may be listening.. A very beautiful and young French girl got on the bus with her boyfriend a while back.. and they were discussing the "wonderful time" they had the night before in grand detail. I had to pipe up in French and make comments... Mind you it almost ended up in a threesome... ( I was on my way to an appt. so it was a no go for me. )

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RE: MsScarlett and the xenophobic English........ - 10/29/2007 12:50:34 PM   
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...nope, no 'j'....ioan = joan. More or less. It's all connected to the
English denying the Welsh their own language and anglicising the Welsh words.......


It has been anglicised a lot esp here of late.. we have a joke.. the Welsh took all the consonants.. and the Polynesians took all the vowels.. well at least the good ones.

Some of my friends and I ( historians the whole lot of us..) are in a debate as to if the word Gwynvyd is Gaelic or Welsh. There seems to be some discussion online about it too. *shrugs* I always found the V suspect.. but stranger things have happened.

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RE: MsScarlett and the xenophobic English........ - 10/29/2007 12:56:29 PM   
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...nope, no 'j'....ioan = joan. More or less. It's all connected to the
English denying the Welsh their own language and anglicising the Welsh words.......


It has been anglicised a lot esp here of late.. we have a joke.. the Welsh took all the consonants.. and the Polynesians took all the vowels.. well at least the good ones.

Some of my friends and I ( historians the whole lot of us..) are in a debate as to if the word Gwynvyd is Gaelic or Welsh. There seems to be some discussion online about it too. *shrugs* I always found the V suspect.. but stranger things have happened.

Gwyn


.......i reckon it may be Gaelic, but if Welsh it would be spelled Gwynfyd, or more likely Gwynydd (pronounced Gwin-ith.....sort of, but make the -th have a bit of d in it). Just remember to always stress the second last syllable....

prynhawn dda a pob lwc i Chi

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RE: MsScarlett and the xenophobic English........ - 10/30/2007 3:20:22 AM   
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* The Welsh Assembly Government receives money from HM Treasury, some in the form of tax collected on behalf of the UK Government by the Chancellor of the Exchequer and some as an annual grant from the Secretary of State for Wales.

* Funding from the EU worth £2.8bn was intended to help the poorest parts of Wales match the UK average for wealth.

Re independence .....let 'em 'ave it I say.
Just wanted to counteract the Welsh "luv in" that is developing and back up my deliberately offensive "scroungers" post lol.
Neither quote is mine. They were were found on the net.

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RE: MsScarlett and the xenophobic English........ - 10/30/2007 3:46:23 AM   
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A good point inadvertently raised Seeks.

We've spent 1500 years alongside the Welsh - Anglo Saxon for "Foreigners" - and for much of that time we've got on OK, apart from a few spats. We've long welcomed their principle (or maybe Principal) export - teachers in our schools here in England, and lived happily alongside them on our housing estates. We've even inter-married with them.

Given theyre foreigners by their own use of the word Welsh, and we're OK with them being amongst us - we can hardly be considered xenophobes.

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RE: MsScarlett and the xenophobic English........ - 10/30/2007 4:01:53 AM   
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Funny you should mention Welsh  teachers.
I didnt know HE was a major export but I had a History teacher Mr Thomas, nicknamed...wait for it Taffy Thomas.

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RE: MsScarlett and the xenophobic English........ - 10/30/2007 6:13:40 AM   
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I don't believe I mentioned your pulling my post to pieces, merely that you quoted it out of context. 



http://www.collarchat.com/m_1366542/mpage_2/tm.htm

Post 36: I've had another look, and there's nothing on this thread that is out of context.

Let's not go down the road of semantics, is there anything in the OP that you'd like to respond to?


You do have a dictionary, don't you?  Go and look up the word CONTEXT.  You'll find that by taking a paragraph from a post and citing it on its own, without the surrounding text, you have removed it from context.  Just as the Elgin Marbles are no longer in their original context, neither was my post. 

I don't believe I attacked you in any way.  I stated a fact.  I stated that you quoted me out of context.  Which is a fact.  So what particular part of that statement are you having a problem with?  Or is it your usual wilful misunderstanding of a situation?



This is your whole post and I still think you don't like the English but stay in Britain on some flimsy pretext of your father holding on to life. My father is still holding onto life but I never stayed in England because there are trains, boats, planes, buses and cars and even donkeys to take me back if necessary. I've lived in five different countries for a couple of years and quite a few more for peiods of six months to a year. I certainly wouldn't waste my life hanging around in a country I hated and I certainly wouldn't be offering my services to people I hated.

Ok, for the sake of your not being beaten and Teddy and you continuing your obviously close and warm relationship I shall confess all. 

I learned to speak English in England as my first language.  My mother was an Ashkenazi Jew via Glasgow, my father a part Maltese army brat from Dover, via Liverpool.  I lived my formative years in England, spending almost all of my school holidays in Switzerland speaking French.  I endured the British education system until the age of 14 when I began travelling all over, living in various other countries, going native and discovering that England is not the only flavour - nor indeed the best of them. 

Technically I suppose I'm British, that is what it says in at least one of my passports, but I hate to be thought of as one.  I look at my fellow Brits and feel ashamed of their bigotry, xenophobia, agression and overall behaviour.  When I travel abroad I blend in, I learn the local ways and languages, eat the local food, and avoid the Brits wherever possible.  The thought that they will go abroad to complain about the food, the weather, the Germans, the locals, the beer - it disgusts me.  En masse, at their lowest level, they're a bunch of petty, whining idiots with whom I would rather not associate.  At their best they're just about tolerable. 

Unfortunately this is where my mothers ashes are scattered, where my elderly father still lives, and where my partners family are settled.  That makes it a bit difficult to emigrate.  But once my father has gone, my partner and I are both of a mind to move on.  The question is, where - so many wonderful countries, so little time! 

As for the Elgin marbles, the Acropolis is seriously overated as are the marbles themselves but I guess Elgin should be thanked for saving them by those that think them great art. I would send them back tomorrow as long as the Greeks said thankyou, after all it was the Greeks that seriously damaged the Acropolis after it survived for so long in a fairly reasonable condition.

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RE: MsScarlett and the xenophobic English........ - 10/30/2007 6:30:21 AM   
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 look at my fellow Brits and feel ashamed of their bigotry, xenophobia, agression and overall behaviour.  When I travel abroad I blend in, I learn the local ways and languages, eat the local food, and avoid the Brits wherever possible.  The thought that they will go abroad to complain about the food, the weather, the Germans, the locals, the beer - it disgusts me.  En masse, at their lowest level, they're a bunch of petty, whining idiots with whom I would rather not associate.  At their best they're just about tolerable.  
 
Firstly i haven't read every reply and don't really even know where the thread is at now.
 
I'm sorry, actually no i'm not, I'm going to agree with Msscarlett here. As a nation (generally) i think we behave atrociously when abroad.
This is probably why i will not holiday anywhere that is classed as a tourist area anymore. Thanks to my parents buying a home in a very remote spanish village i have tasted the real Spain and the way it should be. No lager louts, no idiots making fun of the language, puking drunks, sunbed knobs etc etc etc.
I spend two weeks living the Spanish way in tranquil bliss. Exageration (spelling)? No. I speak the best spanish i can, go to the markets, go to church, laze by their local pool and enjoy everything spanish culture has to offer. There is an exception i admit, the bull fighting. I can't watch it, it turns my stomach but i do watch and take part in the matador parades.

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RE: MsScarlett and the xenophobic English........ - 10/30/2007 6:42:31 AM   
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Some of my friends and I ( historians the whole lot of us..) are in a debate as to if the word Gwynvyd is Gaelic or Welsh. There seems to be some discussion online about it too. *shrugs* I always found the V suspect.. but stranger things have happened.

Gwyn


Maybe it extends back to Celtic, in which case you are all partly right.


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